11 years later...

dancepartner

May their precious blood bind us, Lord, as we stand before your fiery light.

I always thought this album should have won the grammy that year, oh so long ago 9.11.01

xavier mcdaniel

musicismylife78 wrote:

its also insane to read about the people who for some reason or another were scheduled to be on the flights or be in the towers that day and for whatever reason decided not to. Seth mcfarlane is the major one, scheduled to be on one of the flights, his agent told him the wrong time to board the plane and so he missed the plane. Gweneth Paltrow talks about driving that day and encountering a woman walking, and the woman and gweneth saw each other, and waved each other on. Gweneth waved the woman to go, the woman was polite and waved gweneth on. They did this for awhile. Evidently the woman worked at the towers, 77th floor and because of this interaction missed her bus or connection by seconds. Mark Wahlberg was to be on one of the flghts but changed his plans last minute to see a film festival.

Crazy to think how many of those things happened, little moments like that. The United 93 film shows the boarding doors almost closing and a last minute person boarding the plane. Wonder if that is true.

There's a number of people who were near-misses to it. There are stories of people whose lives were saved because they overslept from staying up to watch the Giant game the previous night. There's also people like me who worked nights in offices in Jersey City across the Hudson from the towers. Had I or anyone else that worked nights coming from the city worked during a shift that began at 9 or 9:30, we might have been in the area of the towers at those times. I'm sure I have former co-workers that were among the last people to take the PATH train from World Trade Center to Jersey City.

satansbed

I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,

And then the second plane hit...

cincybearcat

hedonist wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Its like Kanye said, but I think its sadly all of America that feels that way about black people.

No. Quite an unfair statement.

Not only unfair, it is a racist statement. And truly ignorant.

cincybearcat

satansbed wrote:

I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,

And then the second plane hit...

Your mom didn't know anything happened until after you came home from school????

_

satansbed wrote:

I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,

And then the second plane hit...

Where are you from? :?

cincybearcat

_ wrote:

satansbed wrote:

I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,

And then the second plane hit...

Where are you from? :?

Yeah, I shoulda asked that question first.

_

cincybearcat wrote:

satansbed wrote:

I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,

And then the second plane hit...

Your mom didn't know anything happened until after you came home from school????

That's what I was just thinking.

satansbed

_ wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

satansbed wrote:

I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,

And then the second plane hit...

Your mom didn't know anything happened until after you came home from school????

That's what I was just thinking.

Haha I'm from Ireland so me getting home from school was around the time of the attack, I watched it pretty much live

cincybearcat

satansbed wrote:

_ wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Your mom didn't know anything happened until after you came home from school????

That's what I was just thinking.

Haha I'm from Ireland so me getting home from school was around the time of the attack, I watched it pretty much live

Yeah, that makes more sense.

cincybearcat

I was actually at my desk at work listen to Howard Stern...believe it or not, they provided some good coverage for a long period of time.

I worked at an aerospace company, so it certainly effected the business. But on a personal level, I remember talking to the president as he left the plant. He told me that his brother and brother-in-law both worked at the towers and he was leaving to find out whatever he could.

Luckily, both were ok.

It was a strange feeling. Didn't seem real.

hedonist

I found out from a post on the old board (didn't have the news on at that early hour out here, not to mention phone alerts - oh how times have changed). No idea why I went ahead and made the long commute to work, but I did. And I'll never forget (I too was listening to Howard Stern; he was oddly comforting in that time), I was driving through the winding road of Sunset Blvd. heading to the freeway when he said that a third plane crashed into the Pentagon.

And that's when I really felt fearful, looking up to the skies as I was driving, not sure what was to come next.

Everyone at my work pretty much turned around and went home. I spent the day just watching the coverage, crying too, I think.

Felt far away from my family and I can't remember now why we weren't together that day.

I missed my guy, who was living in SC. He moved out here and in with me six months later. Life's too fucking short, you know?

It WAS surreal. Still feels that way at times, when seeing those images and hearing of people's experiences.

musicismylife78

The day itself was an obvious disaster and tragedy unmatched. But I also think, 11 years later, we still have done the victims families and the victims themselves a disservice of major proportions, by

1. Not doing enough to research and support the thousands of first responders who have breathing problems because of the dust in the area. Report last year suggested EVERY SINGLE first responder they talked to of a survey of 3,000 had trouble breathing 10 years later.

2. The fact we continue to act civilly and cordially around Guiliani. He should be run out of every appearance he gives for his actions. Guiliani isnt solely at fault, in the aftermath you had alot of people trying to capitalize on the tragedy, not because their hearts were in the right place, but rather because they wanted to make a quick buck, or stake a claim for the presidency or office.

3. Related would be, the firefighters didnt have walky talkies, or the ones they did were faulty. I would hope 11 years later things have improved in that area...

4. I would have hoped we as a nation could have come up with a way to bring justice to those who committed and planned the attacks, that didnt involve occupying their country for 11 years and invading Iraq, killing and bombing innocent victims. The war on terror is a disaster of unprecedent proportions and both Bush and Obama with their continued errorneous beliefs that this war can be won are at fault.

EdsonNascimento

musicismylife78 wrote:

2. The fact we continue to act civilly and cordially around Guiliani. He should be run out of every appearance he gives for his actions. Guiliani isnt solely at fault, in the aftermath you had alot of people trying to capitalize on the tragedy, not because their hearts were in the right place, but rather because they wanted to make a quick buck, or stake a claim for the presidency or office.

I'm sorry. I tried to keep this thread out of the political because I think the OP's intent was spot on. But, enough. Folks so far removed from the situation should keep their traps shut. Rudy was in the right place at the right time. Any other Mayor would have been an unmitigated disaster in that situation (can you imagine if Dinkins was still in charge? Good lord!). We can only thank our lucky stars that man was in the right place for us when we needed him.

We'd be lucky to have Rudy as a candidate instead of these 2 drones. One of the (many) things that bothers me about the GOP. The religious right would never have a divorced man be their candidate no matter how obvious it is that he would be the best man for the job, so he gives up and accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Mexican Gov't to teach them how to run a law enforcement agency properly (As an example) and says - why the hell would I want to be those stupid people's leader. I have more international clout NOT being President.

He is a fiscal conservative that a moderate on social issues, tough on crime and has foreign relations experience. That's what this country needs. But, we're too stupid and too politicized to accept the great things this man did and try to see how we could beg him to save us from this shitty politics we find ourselves in. I will not let your attempt at sullying his reputation go unnoted. Even in a thread that had every good intention (or maybe more so). Is he perfect? I certainly hope not. Nobody is. But, we wouldn't be deciding between Odumba and Dumber if we'd get out of our own way.

BinauralJam

EdsonNascimento wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

2. The fact we continue to act civilly and cordially around Guiliani. He should be run out of every appearance he gives for his actions. Guiliani isnt solely at fault, in the aftermath you had alot of people trying to capitalize on the tragedy, not because their hearts were in the right place, but rather because they wanted to make a quick buck, or stake a claim for the presidency or office.

I'm sorry. I tried to keep this thread out of the political because I think the OP's intent was spot on. But, enough. Folks so far removed from the situation should keep their traps shut. Rudy was in the right place at the right time. Any other Mayor would have been an unmitigated disaster in that situation (can you imagine if Dinkins was still in charge? Good lord!). We can only thank our lucky stars that man was in the right place for us when we needed him.

We'd be lucky to have Rudy as a candidate instead of these 2 drones. One of the (many) things that bothers me about the GOP. The religious right would never have a divorced man be their candidate no matter how obvious it is that he would be the best man for the job, so he gives up and accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Mexican Gov't to teach them how to run a law enforcement agency properly (As an example) and says - why the hell would I want to be those stupid people's leader. I have more international clout NOT being President.

He is a fiscal conservative that a moderate on social issues, tough on crime and has foreign relations experience. That's what this country needs. But, we're too stupid and too politicized to accept the great things this man did and try to see how we could beg him to save us from this shitty politics we find ourselves in. I will not let your attempt at sullying his reputation go unnoted. Even in a thread that had every good intention (or maybe more so). Is he perfect? I certainly hope not. Nobody is. But, we wouldn't be deciding between Odumba and Dumber if we'd get out of our own way.

:thumbup:

musicismylife78

EdsonNascimento wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

2. The fact we continue to act civilly and cordially around Guiliani. He should be run out of every appearance he gives for his actions. Guiliani isnt solely at fault, in the aftermath you had alot of people trying to capitalize on the tragedy, not because their hearts were in the right place, but rather because they wanted to make a quick buck, or stake a claim for the presidency or office.

I'm sorry. I tried to keep this thread out of the political because I think the OP's intent was spot on. But, enough. Folks so far removed from the situation should keep their traps shut. Rudy was in the right place at the right time. Any other Mayor would have been an unmitigated disaster in that situation (can you imagine if Dinkins was still in charge? Good lord!). We can only thank our lucky stars that man was in the right place for us when we needed him.

We'd be lucky to have Rudy as a candidate instead of these 2 drones. One of the (many) things that bothers me about the GOP. The religious right would never have a divorced man be their candidate no matter how obvious it is that he would be the best man for the job, so he gives up and accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Mexican Gov't to teach them how to run a law enforcement agency properly (As an example) and says - why the hell would I want to be those stupid people's leader. I have more international clout NOT being President.

He is a fiscal conservative that a moderate on social issues, tough on crime and has foreign relations experience. That's what this country needs. But, we're too stupid and too politicized to accept the great things this man did and try to see how we could beg him to save us from this shitty politics we find ourselves in. I will not let your attempt at sullying his reputation go unnoted. Even in a thread that had every good intention (or maybe more so). Is he perfect? I certainly hope not. Nobody is. But, we wouldn't be deciding between Odumba and Dumber if we'd get out of our own way.

The idea of Guiliani being a creep isnt something out of thin air. The fact fire fighters didnt have working walky talkies/radios and his statement that it was safe to breath in the air around the towers in the aftermath of 9/11 are two of his most agregious actions that are without a doubt his fault. I understand what he symbolized in the immediate aftermath, but 11 years later we now know this image was a myth. He didnt do enough for the firefighters and didnt do enough to protect the city. I agree completely he was in the right place in the right time. That however doesnt have anything to do with his actions and behavior at the time.
The fact of the matter is we know the air wasnt safe to breath and that radio communication between firefighters was tragically for all intents and purposes non existant.

In that first year it would have been sacrilegious to question Guilianis actions. Nowadays I think most people view him as a charlatan and someone who capitalized on the disaster.

He didnt run for president largely because of these issues. he would have talked about 9/11 and he knows people would have seen through it.

I also think its disingenuous to the real heros of the day who acted because they felt called to it, because they needed to help, or even their jobs required them to help and assist. None of these people acted because of Guiliani. He was irrelevant in their decision to help

musicismylife78

my main point is we as a country dishonored the victims in a myriad of ways. And thats a real shame.

Not to mention the victims families were treated like dirt by everyone. Just as with the shocking lack of support and research done reguarding the health of first responders, theres been over the last 11 years a disturbing lack of support for the victims families.

polaris_x

good grief ... giuliani is the guy america needs!? ... i've stayed out of this thread because i didn't want to derail it and turn it into something it wasn't intended for ... but at the same time - this is the stuff that makes me understand why change will never really happen ...

the guy sucked as a mayor ... his approval ratings were in the 30's and they jumped just like Bush's just for being the guy at the time ... he did jack shit except exploit that tragic event for his own personal gain ... beyond the fact his decisions as mayor cost the lives and well being of many people - the guy has the audacity to lie about his contribution ... the guy lacks any class and to hear him being called a saviour for america is pretty disgusting ... he's everything that america doesn't need ... a me-first lying sack of shit ...

musicismylife78

polaris_x wrote:

good grief ... giuliani is the guy america needs!? ... i've stayed out of this thread because i didn't want to derail it and turn it into something it wasn't intended for ... but at the same time - this is the stuff that makes me understand why change will never really happen ...

the guy sucked as a mayor ... his approval ratings were in the 30's and they jumped just like Bush's just for being the guy at the time ... he did jack shit except exploit that tragic event for his own personal gain ... beyond the fact his decisions as mayor cost the lives and well being of many people - the guy has the audacity to lie about his contribution ... the guy lacks any class and to hear him being called a saviour for america is pretty disgusting ... he's everything that america doesn't need ... a me-first lying sack of shit ...

this^ is why he would never run or be nominated for president. He exploited a tragedy for personal gain. sick stuff. we could pick multitudes of people and consider them legitimate heroes and selfless individuals on that day, and the days following. But lets be clear, Guiliani should NOT be included in that discussion.

drummerboy_73

So besides voicing your political opinions about who was at fault and who gained what, did anyone happen to thank a soldier, vet, firefighter, or police officer for their service yesterday?

I did.

Mods - it's Sept. 12th, and there are other threads in place for the discussions that are now taking place. This thread is shamefully ready to be locked.