So besides voicing your political opinions about who was at fault and who gained what, did anyone happen to thank a soldier, vet, firefighter, or police officer for their service yesterday?
I did.
Mods - it's Sept. 12th, and there are other threads in place for the discussions that are now taking place. This thread is shamefully ready to be locked.
I'm thankful everyday, though I don't often get the opportunity to say as much face-to-face (or online). The gratitude is big-time in my heart, though.
I'm sorry your intent of this thread shifted. It's such a sensitive subject for so many, and I imagine it's difficult to keep that passion at bay sometimes.
Remember how things were a year ago today? September 12? People were pretty kind to each other. Thoughtful. Bonded in certain ways.
I've never seen such courtesy in this city - whether on the roads, at the market, what have you.
So besides voicing your political opinions about who was at fault and who gained what, did anyone happen to thank a soldier, vet, firefighter, or police officer for their service yesterday?
I did.
Mods - it's Sept. 12th, and there are other threads in place for the discussions that are now taking place. This thread is shamefully ready to be locked.
i certainly understand your point, I just think anytime you bring up a thread like this that has political and social consequences, those things are going to be discussed. A thread about the 11th anniversary of the Afghanistan war and honoring soldiers would elicit the same discussion. Part of the reason is things didnt stop after 9/11, and things continued to happen. Its not like that horrible day happened, then everything went back to normal like it was on September 10th. Lots of events happened in 9/11's wake. And alot of them were and are shameful to a disturbing degree. Its hard to discuss honoring the victims of the attack or firefighters, without discussing the disgrace and mockery of everything and everyone involved from Bush and Giuliani to Democrats as well. They deserved so much more from our elected officials. People continue to die and will continue to die each year from the effects of inhaling the smoke and ash of the buildings. Thats something thats happening now and is something that I guarantee wont be discussed during the election. Why?
and going off hedonists point, this thread has huge ethical and moral implications that are interesting to discuss. I mentioned earlier in the thread, events like 9/11 seem to bring people together, and bring out the best in people, you see sacrifice the likes of which are hard to even fathom. But it often seems like its ONLY these events that cause that to happen. Before or 12 months after a tragedy like this, people seem, humans seem so mean and horrid to one another
So besides voicing your political opinions about who was at fault and who gained what, did anyone happen to thank a soldier, vet, firefighter, or police officer for their service yesterday?
I did.
Mods - it's Sept. 12th, and there are other threads in place for the discussions that are now taking place. This thread is shamefully ready to be locked.
Agreed and my apologies.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
So besides voicing your political opinions about who was at fault and who gained what, did anyone happen to thank a soldier, vet, firefighter, or police officer for their service yesterday?
I did.
Mods - it's Sept. 12th, and there are other threads in place for the discussions that are now taking place. This thread is shamefully ready to be locked.
i certainly understand your point, I just think anytime you bring up a thread like this that has political and social consequences, those things are going to be discussed.
...which is exactly I why I am more than happy for the discussion to continue in any of the other threads - or, start your own if you can't find one. Simply thanking someone for their service, doesn't require any discussion or political position...at least in my opinion.
I have my own opinions on this issue, and just about anything that happens on a day to day basis can be put into some sort of political context to support an opinion or advance a cause. I was just hoping we could focus on one part of it - the people who work hard to keep us safe, regardless of how they feel about why they ended up there.
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So besides voicing your political opinions about who was at fault and who gained what, did anyone happen to thank a soldier, vet, firefighter, or police officer for their service yesterday?
I did.
Mods - it's Sept. 12th, and there are other threads in place for the discussions that are now taking place. This thread is shamefully ready to be locked.
i certainly understand your point, I just think anytime you bring up a thread like this that has political and social consequences, those things are going to be discussed.
...which is exactly I why I am more than happy for the discussion to continue in any of the other threads - or, start your own if you can't find one. Simply thanking someone for their service, doesn't require any discussion or political position...at least in my opinion.
I have my own opinions on this issue, and just about anything that happens on a day to day basis can be put into some sort of political context to support an opinion or advance a cause. I was just hoping we could focus on one part of it - the people who work hard to keep us safe, regardless of how they feel about why they ended up there.
But, by limiting the thread to only saying thanks to the heroes i think its limiting the scope of the topic. For one, this thread even before the political aspect went from thanking people to people reminiscing about what they remembered about the day and what they did during the day. A topic like this is so personal and huge, you arent ever going to get a thread of people just discussing it in a clinical removed stance. theres no possible way to do that. That doesnt matter whether you live in California or worked at the office next to the WTC. This was a personal event. It didnt matter if you were in the towers or you were watching on tv in arizona, this was real. Second, its erroneous to think we cant do anything about it. Discussing researching and funding and assisting survivors and first responders and victims families is a political statement, but its also an act of thanking and honoring the victims and the fire fighters. Treating the victims families and firefighters with respect in 2012 which includes funding, reasearch, general kindness, is as important as what the OP was suggesting. Thats what im not understanding. Isnt calling for better treatment of survivors, victims families, firefighters, etc... an act of saying thank you? I agree walking up to a firefighter and saying thank you is a great way to do it, but its not accurate to say thats the only way. Thats where I think the larger political discussion comes in. Demanding Romney or Obama or anyone discuss this issue is political but its also a way to thank these people. Even talking about it on this board is an act of thank you.
i also think a large part of honoring those people is to recognize the lack of pay, lack of press, lack of funding and respect these people get. Again, thats a political issue but its also personal and an inherent thank you. the issue framed this way isnt negating the real work these people do, its merely pointing out the complete lack of respect these people get. A personal thank you to the people the OP talks about is great. Im sure that would warm anyones heart and make their day. But there are a MILLION ways to say thanks, and lets face it, most if not all involve some sort of discussion of socio/economic/political/medical/etc... issues as well. what better way to say thanks to the firefighters than to make sure in every city, and every town, all firefighters had working and high quality communication devices? Wouldnt working towards that goal be a resounding thank you?
Some good points above - and I agree that there are many different and effective ways of "saying thank you". Speaking from personal experience, when I was in uniform and someone just came up and said "thanks", or a young boy would salute me, it would just make my day.
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Some good points above - and I agree that there are many different and effective ways of "saying thank you". Speaking from personal experience, when I was in uniform and someone just came up and said "thanks", or a young boy would salute me, it would just make my day.
Your comment remind me of the time four years ago when I was waiting in line to vote. The man in front of me was wearing a jacket with "Iraq" and military insignia embroidered on it. To me, he looked a little older than someone who would have served in Iraq and I thought maybe he had a son or daughter in the service. I asked about his jacket and he said that he'd gotten it in Iraq during his tour of duty. I shook his hand and thanked him for his service (it doesn't matter how I feel about the war, I respect what he did). He looked me in the eye and said "Thanks for caring."
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I'm sorry your intent of this thread shifted. It's such a sensitive subject for so many, and I imagine it's difficult to keep that passion at bay sometimes.
Remember how things were a year ago today? September 12? People were pretty kind to each other. Thoughtful. Bonded in certain ways.
I've never seen such courtesy in this city - whether on the roads, at the market, what have you.
Too bad that sense of brotherliness has faded.
i certainly understand your point, I just think anytime you bring up a thread like this that has political and social consequences, those things are going to be discussed. A thread about the 11th anniversary of the Afghanistan war and honoring soldiers would elicit the same discussion. Part of the reason is things didnt stop after 9/11, and things continued to happen. Its not like that horrible day happened, then everything went back to normal like it was on September 10th. Lots of events happened in 9/11's wake. And alot of them were and are shameful to a disturbing degree. Its hard to discuss honoring the victims of the attack or firefighters, without discussing the disgrace and mockery of everything and everyone involved from Bush and Giuliani to Democrats as well. They deserved so much more from our elected officials. People continue to die and will continue to die each year from the effects of inhaling the smoke and ash of the buildings. Thats something thats happening now and is something that I guarantee wont be discussed during the election. Why?
and going off hedonists point, this thread has huge ethical and moral implications that are interesting to discuss. I mentioned earlier in the thread, events like 9/11 seem to bring people together, and bring out the best in people, you see sacrifice the likes of which are hard to even fathom. But it often seems like its ONLY these events that cause that to happen. Before or 12 months after a tragedy like this, people seem, humans seem so mean and horrid to one another
Agreed and my apologies.
...which is exactly I why I am more than happy for the discussion to continue in any of the other threads - or, start your own if you can't find one. Simply thanking someone for their service, doesn't require any discussion or political position...at least in my opinion.
I have my own opinions on this issue, and just about anything that happens on a day to day basis can be put into some sort of political context to support an opinion or advance a cause. I was just hoping we could focus on one part of it - the people who work hard to keep us safe, regardless of how they feel about why they ended up there.
But, by limiting the thread to only saying thanks to the heroes i think its limiting the scope of the topic. For one, this thread even before the political aspect went from thanking people to people reminiscing about what they remembered about the day and what they did during the day. A topic like this is so personal and huge, you arent ever going to get a thread of people just discussing it in a clinical removed stance. theres no possible way to do that. That doesnt matter whether you live in California or worked at the office next to the WTC. This was a personal event. It didnt matter if you were in the towers or you were watching on tv in arizona, this was real. Second, its erroneous to think we cant do anything about it. Discussing researching and funding and assisting survivors and first responders and victims families is a political statement, but its also an act of thanking and honoring the victims and the fire fighters. Treating the victims families and firefighters with respect in 2012 which includes funding, reasearch, general kindness, is as important as what the OP was suggesting. Thats what im not understanding. Isnt calling for better treatment of survivors, victims families, firefighters, etc... an act of saying thank you? I agree walking up to a firefighter and saying thank you is a great way to do it, but its not accurate to say thats the only way. Thats where I think the larger political discussion comes in. Demanding Romney or Obama or anyone discuss this issue is political but its also a way to thank these people. Even talking about it on this board is an act of thank you.
So thank you as well, drummerboy.