The weird thing for me is I have no memory of the visual that happened. I was stationed in Germany while in the Army and was setting up our living area for my first Army Training exercise. I worked in a secure area but did not have access yet, where the TVs were. I heard the tv news but did not see anything for over 10 days. I read items in the paper, but when I see it on TV it still shocks the hell out of me. I hope that no country ever has to go through a tragedy like this again.
96 Randall's Island II
98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
I have so many mixed feelings about 9/11. My best friend from High School ate lunch there everyday and lucked out, my brother-in-law is NYPD and sifted through the rubble, my roommate in college lost his childhood friend, and my student from last year lost his dad. It sucks, it was sad, but I (along with my student) hate what the memorialization of the event has become for many - a simplistic rejoice in being "American". Further, it's very telling that we take time to feel bad about 9/11 (rightly so - not arguing that), but we don't have similar responses to Katrina. And don't give me some bullshit about it being a natural disaster...the levies sucked but because we don't believe in taxes in this country they didn't get fixed. But the bodies that died in 9/11 were productive in the capitalist sense, whereas those that died in Katrina were disposable - so sick. Anyway, please take the time to remember 9/11, but let's not privilege it over other disasters that took as many if not more American bodies from this earth.
0
g under p
Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
The odd thing about that day in DC was how it was such a perfect crisp sunny fall day with what seemed like ALL of the world's sadness dropped in our laps on that day.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
The weird thing for me is I have no memory of the visual that happened. I was stationed in Germany while in the Army and was setting up our living area for my first Army Training exercise. I worked in a secure area but did not have access yet, where the TVs were. I heard the tv news but did not see anything for over 10 days. I read items in the paper, but when I see it on TV it still shocks the hell out of me. I hope that no country ever has to go through a tragedy like this again.
Well hell.
I couldn't find words to adequately thank you for your service.
I have so many mixed feelings about 9/11. My best friend from High School ate lunch there everyday and lucked out, my brother-in-law is NYPD and sifted through the rubble, my roommate in college lost his childhood friend, and my student from last year lost his dad. It sucks, it was sad, but I (along with my student) hate what the memorialization of the event has become for many - a simplistic rejoice in being "American". Further, it's very telling that we take time to feel bad about 9/11 (rightly so - not arguing that), but we don't have similar responses to Katrina. And don't give me some bullshit about it being a natural disaster...the levies sucked but because we don't believe in taxes in this country they didn't get fixed. But the bodies that died in 9/11 were productive in the capitalist sense, whereas those that died in Katrina were disposable - so sick. Anyway, please take the time to remember 9/11, but let's not privilege it over other disasters that took as many if not more American bodies from this earth.
I was hoping this thread would have remained a simple remembrance of the lives lost on THIS DAY and not become political. I don't think anyone who considers them self an American spent the day rejoicing.
The thought of the lives lost as a result of Katrina as "disposable" is pretty sick, and although devastating, hardly a result of "not believing in taxes". Look at the Tohoku, Japan earthquake of last year - Japan spends an ENORMOUS amount of money on earthquake and tsunami preparation and response - yet the power of that act of nature took over 15,000 lives.
Osaka, Japan (2/21/95), San Diego (7/10/98), Las Vegas (10/22/00), San Diego (10/25/00), Las Vegas (6/6/03), Las Vegas (7/6/06), Los Angeles (7/9/06), VH1 Rock Honors (7/12/08), Ed Solo (7/8/11), Ed Solo (11/1/12), Los Angeles (11/23/13)
its also insane to read about the people who for some reason or another were scheduled to be on the flights or be in the towers that day and for whatever reason decided not to. Seth mcfarlane is the major one, scheduled to be on one of the flights, his agent told him the wrong time to board the plane and so he missed the plane. Gweneth Paltrow talks about driving that day and encountering a woman walking, and the woman and gweneth saw each other, and waved each other on. Gweneth waved the woman to go, the woman was polite and waved gweneth on. They did this for awhile. Evidently the woman worked at the towers, 77th floor and because of this interaction missed her bus or connection by seconds. Mark Wahlberg was to be on one of the flghts but changed his plans last minute to see a film festival.
Crazy to think how many of those things happened, little moments like that. The United 93 film shows the boarding doors almost closing and a last minute person boarding the plane. Wonder if that is true.
I have so many mixed feelings about 9/11. My best friend from High School ate lunch there everyday and lucked out, my brother-in-law is NYPD and sifted through the rubble, my roommate in college lost his childhood friend, and my student from last year lost his dad. It sucks, it was sad, but I (along with my student) hate what the memorialization of the event has become for many - a simplistic rejoice in being "American". Further, it's very telling that we take time to feel bad about 9/11 (rightly so - not arguing that), but we don't have similar responses to Katrina. And don't give me some bullshit about it being a natural disaster...the levies sucked but because we don't believe in taxes in this country they didn't get fixed. But the bodies that died in 9/11 were productive in the capitalist sense, whereas those that died in Katrina were disposable - so sick. Anyway, please take the time to remember 9/11, but let's not privilege it over other disasters that took as many if not more American bodies from this earth.
i think part of the reason is, 9/11 fit into the powers that be's idea of global expansion and hegemony. Its pretty insane and sick how things worked out for people who advocated middle east occupation, which sadly wasnt just Bush and cronies. Katrina was seperate from that obviously. It couldnt be connected to another country, and the powers that be instead put in the enemy role: poor and black individuals. I dont think it was lack of taxes, I think it has to deal with racism and classist policies. Its like Kanye said, but I think its sadly all of America that feels that way about black people. Its clear the response to Katrina would have been vastly different had it happened in Beverly Hills or Newport Beach. 9/11 was new in the sense most americans hadnt given one thought to the taliban or Bin laden or Afghanistan or Islam in their lives. Katrina, though it shouldnt have been, was old hat, and something we see all the time and do nothing about: poverty stricken areas with primarily minority residents. Obviously the response to 9/11 was caked and smothered in racism as well. For example, I saw Bob Dylan for the first time ever on the same day we started bombing Afghanistan. His set list, included Blowin the Wind so it was pretty surreal. But outside the venue, a guy with a turban was in line behind me and someone can up behind him and said "oh look its osama bin laden".
Have any of you seen that movie Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close? It's about a kid whose dad dies in the attacks and his reaction, including his memory and understanding of that day and the many messages his dad left on the answering machine between when the first plane hit and when the tower he was in fell. Good movie.
I saw it, it was good! But sad at the same time.
the book is among my favorite of all time. And while i love tom hanks, and thought the movie was good, the emotional punch of the book was more intense.
its also insane to read about the people who for some reason or another were scheduled to be on the flights or be in the towers that day and for whatever reason decided not to. Seth mcfarlane is the major one, scheduled to be on one of the flights, his agent told him the wrong time to board the plane and so he missed the plane. Gweneth Paltrow talks about driving that day and encountering a woman walking, and the woman and gweneth saw each other, and waved each other on. Gweneth waved the woman to go, the woman was polite and waved gweneth on. They did this for awhile. Evidently the woman worked at the towers, 77th floor and because of this interaction missed her bus or connection by seconds. Mark Wahlberg was to be on one of the flghts but changed his plans last minute to see a film festival.
Crazy to think how many of those things happened, little moments like that. The United 93 film shows the boarding doors almost closing and a last minute person boarding the plane. Wonder if that is true.
There's a number of people who were near-misses to it. There are stories of people whose lives were saved because they overslept from staying up to watch the Giant game the previous night. There's also people like me who worked nights in offices in Jersey City across the Hudson from the towers. Had I or anyone else that worked nights coming from the city worked during a shift that began at 9 or 9:30, we might have been in the area of the towers at those times. I'm sure I have former co-workers that were among the last people to take the PATH train from World Trade Center to Jersey City.
Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016 Fenway 2, 2018 MSG 2022 St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023 MSG 2024, MSG 2024 Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,
I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,
And then the second plane hit...
Your mom didn't know anything happened until after you came home from school????
I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,
I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,
I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,
And then the second plane hit...
Your mom didn't know anything happened until after you came home from school????
I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it like it was yesterday.
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,
And then the second plane hit...
Your mom didn't know anything happened until after you came home from school????
That's what I was just thinking.
Haha I'm from Ireland so me getting home from school was around the time of the attack, I watched it pretty much live
I was actually at my desk at work listen to Howard Stern...believe it or not, they provided some good coverage for a long period of time.
I worked at an aerospace company, so it certainly effected the business. But on a personal level, I remember talking to the president as he left the plant. He told me that his brother and brother-in-law both worked at the towers and he was leaving to find out whatever he could.
I found out from a post on the old board (didn't have the news on at that early hour out here, not to mention phone alerts - oh how times have changed). No idea why I went ahead and made the long commute to work, but I did. And I'll never forget (I too was listening to Howard Stern; he was oddly comforting in that time), I was driving through the winding road of Sunset Blvd. heading to the freeway when he said that a third plane crashed into the Pentagon.
And that's when I really felt fearful, looking up to the skies as I was driving, not sure what was to come next.
Everyone at my work pretty much turned around and went home. I spent the day just watching the coverage, crying too, I think.
Felt far away from my family and I can't remember now why we weren't together that day.
I missed my guy, who was living in SC. He moved out here and in with me six months later. Life's too fucking short, you know?
It WAS surreal. Still feels that way at times, when seeing those images and hearing of people's experiences.
The day itself was an obvious disaster and tragedy unmatched. But I also think, 11 years later, we still have done the victims families and the victims themselves a disservice of major proportions, by
1. Not doing enough to research and support the thousands of first responders who have breathing problems because of the dust in the area. Report last year suggested EVERY SINGLE first responder they talked to of a survey of 3,000 had trouble breathing 10 years later.
2. The fact we continue to act civilly and cordially around Guiliani. He should be run out of every appearance he gives for his actions. Guiliani isnt solely at fault, in the aftermath you had alot of people trying to capitalize on the tragedy, not because their hearts were in the right place, but rather because they wanted to make a quick buck, or stake a claim for the presidency or office.
3. Related would be, the firefighters didnt have walky talkies, or the ones they did were faulty. I would hope 11 years later things have improved in that area...
4. I would have hoped we as a nation could have come up with a way to bring justice to those who committed and planned the attacks, that didnt involve occupying their country for 11 years and invading Iraq, killing and bombing innocent victims. The war on terror is a disaster of unprecedent proportions and both Bush and Obama with their continued errorneous beliefs that this war can be won are at fault.
2. The fact we continue to act civilly and cordially around Guiliani. He should be run out of every appearance he gives for his actions. Guiliani isnt solely at fault, in the aftermath you had alot of people trying to capitalize on the tragedy, not because their hearts were in the right place, but rather because they wanted to make a quick buck, or stake a claim for the presidency or office.
I'm sorry. I tried to keep this thread out of the political because I think the OP's intent was spot on. But, enough. Folks so far removed from the situation should keep their traps shut. Rudy was in the right place at the right time. Any other Mayor would have been an unmitigated disaster in that situation (can you imagine if Dinkins was still in charge? Good lord!). We can only thank our lucky stars that man was in the right place for us when we needed him.
We'd be lucky to have Rudy as a candidate instead of these 2 drones. One of the (many) things that bothers me about the GOP. The religious right would never have a divorced man be their candidate no matter how obvious it is that he would be the best man for the job, so he gives up and accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Mexican Gov't to teach them how to run a law enforcement agency properly (As an example) and says - why the hell would I want to be those stupid people's leader. I have more international clout NOT being President.
He is a fiscal conservative that a moderate on social issues, tough on crime and has foreign relations experience. That's what this country needs. But, we're too stupid and too politicized to accept the great things this man did and try to see how we could beg him to save us from this shitty politics we find ourselves in. I will not let your attempt at sullying his reputation go unnoted. Even in a thread that had every good intention (or maybe more so). Is he perfect? I certainly hope not. Nobody is. But, we wouldn't be deciding between Odumba and Dumber if we'd get out of our own way.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
2. The fact we continue to act civilly and cordially around Guiliani. He should be run out of every appearance he gives for his actions. Guiliani isnt solely at fault, in the aftermath you had alot of people trying to capitalize on the tragedy, not because their hearts were in the right place, but rather because they wanted to make a quick buck, or stake a claim for the presidency or office.
I'm sorry. I tried to keep this thread out of the political because I think the OP's intent was spot on. But, enough. Folks so far removed from the situation should keep their traps shut. Rudy was in the right place at the right time. Any other Mayor would have been an unmitigated disaster in that situation (can you imagine if Dinkins was still in charge? Good lord!). We can only thank our lucky stars that man was in the right place for us when we needed him.
We'd be lucky to have Rudy as a candidate instead of these 2 drones. One of the (many) things that bothers me about the GOP. The religious right would never have a divorced man be their candidate no matter how obvious it is that he would be the best man for the job, so he gives up and accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Mexican Gov't to teach them how to run a law enforcement agency properly (As an example) and says - why the hell would I want to be those stupid people's leader. I have more international clout NOT being President.
He is a fiscal conservative that a moderate on social issues, tough on crime and has foreign relations experience. That's what this country needs. But, we're too stupid and too politicized to accept the great things this man did and try to see how we could beg him to save us from this shitty politics we find ourselves in. I will not let your attempt at sullying his reputation go unnoted. Even in a thread that had every good intention (or maybe more so). Is he perfect? I certainly hope not. Nobody is. But, we wouldn't be deciding between Odumba and Dumber if we'd get out of our own way.
2. The fact we continue to act civilly and cordially around Guiliani. He should be run out of every appearance he gives for his actions. Guiliani isnt solely at fault, in the aftermath you had alot of people trying to capitalize on the tragedy, not because their hearts were in the right place, but rather because they wanted to make a quick buck, or stake a claim for the presidency or office.
I'm sorry. I tried to keep this thread out of the political because I think the OP's intent was spot on. But, enough. Folks so far removed from the situation should keep their traps shut. Rudy was in the right place at the right time. Any other Mayor would have been an unmitigated disaster in that situation (can you imagine if Dinkins was still in charge? Good lord!). We can only thank our lucky stars that man was in the right place for us when we needed him.
We'd be lucky to have Rudy as a candidate instead of these 2 drones. One of the (many) things that bothers me about the GOP. The religious right would never have a divorced man be their candidate no matter how obvious it is that he would be the best man for the job, so he gives up and accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Mexican Gov't to teach them how to run a law enforcement agency properly (As an example) and says - why the hell would I want to be those stupid people's leader. I have more international clout NOT being President.
He is a fiscal conservative that a moderate on social issues, tough on crime and has foreign relations experience. That's what this country needs. But, we're too stupid and too politicized to accept the great things this man did and try to see how we could beg him to save us from this shitty politics we find ourselves in. I will not let your attempt at sullying his reputation go unnoted. Even in a thread that had every good intention (or maybe more so). Is he perfect? I certainly hope not. Nobody is. But, we wouldn't be deciding between Odumba and Dumber if we'd get out of our own way.
The idea of Guiliani being a creep isnt something out of thin air. The fact fire fighters didnt have working walky talkies/radios and his statement that it was safe to breath in the air around the towers in the aftermath of 9/11 are two of his most agregious actions that are without a doubt his fault. I understand what he symbolized in the immediate aftermath, but 11 years later we now know this image was a myth. He didnt do enough for the firefighters and didnt do enough to protect the city. I agree completely he was in the right place in the right time. That however doesnt have anything to do with his actions and behavior at the time.
The fact of the matter is we know the air wasnt safe to breath and that radio communication between firefighters was tragically for all intents and purposes non existant.
In that first year it would have been sacrilegious to question Guilianis actions. Nowadays I think most people view him as a charlatan and someone who capitalized on the disaster.
He didnt run for president largely because of these issues. he would have talked about 9/11 and he knows people would have seen through it.
I also think its disingenuous to the real heros of the day who acted because they felt called to it, because they needed to help, or even their jobs required them to help and assist. None of these people acted because of Guiliani. He was irrelevant in their decision to help
my main point is we as a country dishonored the victims in a myriad of ways. And thats a real shame.
Not to mention the victims families were treated like dirt by everyone. Just as with the shocking lack of support and research done reguarding the health of first responders, theres been over the last 11 years a disturbing lack of support for the victims families.
good grief ... giuliani is the guy america needs!? ... i've stayed out of this thread because i didn't want to derail it and turn it into something it wasn't intended for ... but at the same time - this is the stuff that makes me understand why change will never really happen ...
the guy sucked as a mayor ... his approval ratings were in the 30's and they jumped just like Bush's just for being the guy at the time ... he did jack shit except exploit that tragic event for his own personal gain ... beyond the fact his decisions as mayor cost the lives and well being of many people - the guy has the audacity to lie about his contribution ... the guy lacks any class and to hear him being called a saviour for america is pretty disgusting ... he's everything that america doesn't need ... a me-first lying sack of shit ...
good grief ... giuliani is the guy america needs!? ... i've stayed out of this thread because i didn't want to derail it and turn it into something it wasn't intended for ... but at the same time - this is the stuff that makes me understand why change will never really happen ...
the guy sucked as a mayor ... his approval ratings were in the 30's and they jumped just like Bush's just for being the guy at the time ... he did jack shit except exploit that tragic event for his own personal gain ... beyond the fact his decisions as mayor cost the lives and well being of many people - the guy has the audacity to lie about his contribution ... the guy lacks any class and to hear him being called a saviour for america is pretty disgusting ... he's everything that america doesn't need ... a me-first lying sack of shit ...
this^ is why he would never run or be nominated for president. He exploited a tragedy for personal gain. sick stuff. we could pick multitudes of people and consider them legitimate heroes and selfless individuals on that day, and the days following. But lets be clear, Guiliani should NOT be included in that discussion.
So besides voicing your political opinions about who was at fault and who gained what, did anyone happen to thank a soldier, vet, firefighter, or police officer for their service yesterday?
I did.
Mods - it's Sept. 12th, and there are other threads in place for the discussions that are now taking place. This thread is shamefully ready to be locked.
Osaka, Japan (2/21/95), San Diego (7/10/98), Las Vegas (10/22/00), San Diego (10/25/00), Las Vegas (6/6/03), Las Vegas (7/6/06), Los Angeles (7/9/06), VH1 Rock Honors (7/12/08), Ed Solo (7/8/11), Ed Solo (11/1/12), Los Angeles (11/23/13)
Comments
98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I couldn't find words to adequately thank you for your service.
(so, "thank you"!)
I was hoping this thread would have remained a simple remembrance of the lives lost on THIS DAY and not become political. I don't think anyone who considers them self an American spent the day rejoicing.
The thought of the lives lost as a result of Katrina as "disposable" is pretty sick, and although devastating, hardly a result of "not believing in taxes". Look at the Tohoku, Japan earthquake of last year - Japan spends an ENORMOUS amount of money on earthquake and tsunami preparation and response - yet the power of that act of nature took over 15,000 lives.
Crazy to think how many of those things happened, little moments like that. The United 93 film shows the boarding doors almost closing and a last minute person boarding the plane. Wonder if that is true.
i think part of the reason is, 9/11 fit into the powers that be's idea of global expansion and hegemony. Its pretty insane and sick how things worked out for people who advocated middle east occupation, which sadly wasnt just Bush and cronies. Katrina was seperate from that obviously. It couldnt be connected to another country, and the powers that be instead put in the enemy role: poor and black individuals. I dont think it was lack of taxes, I think it has to deal with racism and classist policies. Its like Kanye said, but I think its sadly all of America that feels that way about black people. Its clear the response to Katrina would have been vastly different had it happened in Beverly Hills or Newport Beach. 9/11 was new in the sense most americans hadnt given one thought to the taliban or Bin laden or Afghanistan or Islam in their lives. Katrina, though it shouldnt have been, was old hat, and something we see all the time and do nothing about: poverty stricken areas with primarily minority residents. Obviously the response to 9/11 was caked and smothered in racism as well. For example, I saw Bob Dylan for the first time ever on the same day we started bombing Afghanistan. His set list, included Blowin the Wind so it was pretty surreal. But outside the venue, a guy with a turban was in line behind me and someone can up behind him and said "oh look its osama bin laden".
the book is among my favorite of all time. And while i love tom hanks, and thought the movie was good, the emotional punch of the book was more intense.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opini ... .html?_r=1
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I always thought this album should have won the grammy that year, oh so long ago 9.11.01
There's a number of people who were near-misses to it. There are stories of people whose lives were saved because they overslept from staying up to watch the Giant game the previous night. There's also people like me who worked nights in offices in Jersey City across the Hudson from the towers. Had I or anyone else that worked nights coming from the city worked during a shift that began at 9 or 9:30, we might have been in the area of the towers at those times. I'm sure I have former co-workers that were among the last people to take the PATH train from World Trade Center to Jersey City.
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
I came in after school, turned on the tv and all of a sudden it went to news bulletin, I remember shouting to my mom that some ort of missile had hit new York. She didn't believe me,
And then the second plane hit...
Not only unfair, it is a racist statement. And truly ignorant.
Your mom didn't know anything happened until after you came home from school????
Where are you from? :?
Yeah, I shoulda asked that question first.
Haha I'm from Ireland so me getting home from school was around the time of the attack, I watched it pretty much live
Yeah, that makes more sense.
I worked at an aerospace company, so it certainly effected the business. But on a personal level, I remember talking to the president as he left the plant. He told me that his brother and brother-in-law both worked at the towers and he was leaving to find out whatever he could.
Luckily, both were ok.
It was a strange feeling. Didn't seem real.
And that's when I really felt fearful, looking up to the skies as I was driving, not sure what was to come next.
Everyone at my work pretty much turned around and went home. I spent the day just watching the coverage, crying too, I think.
Felt far away from my family and I can't remember now why we weren't together that day.
I missed my guy, who was living in SC. He moved out here and in with me six months later. Life's too fucking short, you know?
It WAS surreal. Still feels that way at times, when seeing those images and hearing of people's experiences.
1. Not doing enough to research and support the thousands of first responders who have breathing problems because of the dust in the area. Report last year suggested EVERY SINGLE first responder they talked to of a survey of 3,000 had trouble breathing 10 years later.
2. The fact we continue to act civilly and cordially around Guiliani. He should be run out of every appearance he gives for his actions. Guiliani isnt solely at fault, in the aftermath you had alot of people trying to capitalize on the tragedy, not because their hearts were in the right place, but rather because they wanted to make a quick buck, or stake a claim for the presidency or office.
3. Related would be, the firefighters didnt have walky talkies, or the ones they did were faulty. I would hope 11 years later things have improved in that area...
4. I would have hoped we as a nation could have come up with a way to bring justice to those who committed and planned the attacks, that didnt involve occupying their country for 11 years and invading Iraq, killing and bombing innocent victims. The war on terror is a disaster of unprecedent proportions and both Bush and Obama with their continued errorneous beliefs that this war can be won are at fault.
I'm sorry. I tried to keep this thread out of the political because I think the OP's intent was spot on. But, enough. Folks so far removed from the situation should keep their traps shut. Rudy was in the right place at the right time. Any other Mayor would have been an unmitigated disaster in that situation (can you imagine if Dinkins was still in charge? Good lord!). We can only thank our lucky stars that man was in the right place for us when we needed him.
We'd be lucky to have Rudy as a candidate instead of these 2 drones. One of the (many) things that bothers me about the GOP. The religious right would never have a divorced man be their candidate no matter how obvious it is that he would be the best man for the job, so he gives up and accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Mexican Gov't to teach them how to run a law enforcement agency properly (As an example) and says - why the hell would I want to be those stupid people's leader. I have more international clout NOT being President.
He is a fiscal conservative that a moderate on social issues, tough on crime and has foreign relations experience. That's what this country needs. But, we're too stupid and too politicized to accept the great things this man did and try to see how we could beg him to save us from this shitty politics we find ourselves in. I will not let your attempt at sullying his reputation go unnoted. Even in a thread that had every good intention (or maybe more so). Is he perfect? I certainly hope not. Nobody is. But, we wouldn't be deciding between Odumba and Dumber if we'd get out of our own way.
The idea of Guiliani being a creep isnt something out of thin air. The fact fire fighters didnt have working walky talkies/radios and his statement that it was safe to breath in the air around the towers in the aftermath of 9/11 are two of his most agregious actions that are without a doubt his fault. I understand what he symbolized in the immediate aftermath, but 11 years later we now know this image was a myth. He didnt do enough for the firefighters and didnt do enough to protect the city. I agree completely he was in the right place in the right time. That however doesnt have anything to do with his actions and behavior at the time.
The fact of the matter is we know the air wasnt safe to breath and that radio communication between firefighters was tragically for all intents and purposes non existant.
In that first year it would have been sacrilegious to question Guilianis actions. Nowadays I think most people view him as a charlatan and someone who capitalized on the disaster.
He didnt run for president largely because of these issues. he would have talked about 9/11 and he knows people would have seen through it.
I also think its disingenuous to the real heros of the day who acted because they felt called to it, because they needed to help, or even their jobs required them to help and assist. None of these people acted because of Guiliani. He was irrelevant in their decision to help
Not to mention the victims families were treated like dirt by everyone. Just as with the shocking lack of support and research done reguarding the health of first responders, theres been over the last 11 years a disturbing lack of support for the victims families.
the guy sucked as a mayor ... his approval ratings were in the 30's and they jumped just like Bush's just for being the guy at the time ... he did jack shit except exploit that tragic event for his own personal gain ... beyond the fact his decisions as mayor cost the lives and well being of many people - the guy has the audacity to lie about his contribution ... the guy lacks any class and to hear him being called a saviour for america is pretty disgusting ... he's everything that america doesn't need ... a me-first lying sack of shit ...
this^ is why he would never run or be nominated for president. He exploited a tragedy for personal gain. sick stuff. we could pick multitudes of people and consider them legitimate heroes and selfless individuals on that day, and the days following. But lets be clear, Guiliani should NOT be included in that discussion.
I did.
Mods - it's Sept. 12th, and there are other threads in place for the discussions that are now taking place. This thread is shamefully ready to be locked.