DNC

brianlux

cincybearcat wrote:

We are suppose to like and trust Obama more because his car had a hole in the door? really? Great, I love a president that drives an unsafe car. Go get a job and buy a nice car asshole.

Let's run the clock back several years for a moment. All of this is true:

It's 1971. I live in a somewhat run-down neighborhood in the city. I go to work everyday in a factory gluing calendars and folding aprons. When it's running, I take my car to work. If I scrunch down a bit, I can see the road go by through a hole near my left foot where rust has eaten through the body. Why do I do all this? I do it because someday I'll finish school, get a job as a teacher and later on will have my own book business.

I'm sorry, did someone say, "Get a job and buy a nice car asshole"?

cincybearcat

brianlux wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

We are suppose to like and trust Obama more because his car had a hole in the door? really? Great, I love a president that drives an unsafe car. Go get a job and buy a nice car asshole.

Let's run the clock back several years for a moment. All of this is true:

It's 1971. I live in a somewhat run-down neighborhood in the city. I go to work everyday in a factory gluing calendars and folding aprons. When it's running, I take my car to work. If I scrunch down a bit, I can see the road go by through a hole near my left foot where rust has eaten through the body. Why do I do all this? I do it because someday I'll finish school, get a job as a teacher and later on will have my own book business.

I'm sorry, did someone say, "Get a job and buy a nice car asshole"?

I think you missed my point. The point being, who cares about that?

It's all the fluff and nonsense of the conventions. It's become a reality TV show....nothing of substance.

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Being asked to pay what someone else says is your "fair share" is class warfare. And it's a good strategy because there are more people taking from gov't than making that much $.

Then tell us... What is a "fair share?"

Why should I pay less in taxes than my gardener? Or my assistant?

Why should I pay less than you?

You know, the more I think about it the funnier it seems to me that you are asking me to define a term that the president is spouting off about. Maybe you should ask him. But the reality is, "fair share" is going to me very different things to everyone. Which is why, even though it is a dumbass thing to be touting, it is also genius. Because everyone puts it into their own context of what "fair" is and then assumes that Obama is going to do that, so they agree. The reality is he just wants to take in more $ to the government and spend more money.

gimmesometruth27

looks like someone is bitter that the romney post convention bounce was only one point...

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

looks like someone is bitter that the romney post convention bounce was only one point...

I love how you wave the Dem flag all over the place yet somehow still think you aren't a homer. It's amazing to me.

I don't give a shit about Romney's bounce, the republican convention, Obama's car, the democratic convention, it's all bullshit. I can't believe people could watch that and have it make a difference in how they are going to vote or how they feel about Obama as president. I actually believe Obama is a very nice guy. But that doesn't effect my vote at all.

I don't know which is worse, taking away social freedoms that all should be able to enjoy or taking away financial freedoms that everyone should be able to enjoy. Ultimately, you end up in the same place.

inlet13

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

looks like someone is bitter that the romney post convention bounce was only one point...

pom-poms.

inlet13

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

The funny part of that line was the delivery... he basically said "Mitt Romney said 'yes', but then said 'no'". Sorta framed it like the John Kerry "voted for it then voted against it" flip flop.

I didn't watch many of the early speeches, but I don't know why the Democrats don't really hon in on Romney's flip flops more. He's a completely different candidate than he was when the Gov of MA.

I've always said that if your own message is strong enough you don't need to waste much time tearing the other side down.

The GNC was a bunch of angry, defiant white people angry that their place at the top of the heap has eroded. They took a lot of pot shots at the president but didn't say much of what they believe. They don't have the guts to say "we are against gay marriage and gay rights" but use a lot of code like "we have a real marriage" and "protecting marriage."

The DNC comes off as a more positive and hopeful message that doesn't require too much hammering the other side. Some... But it wasn't the centerpiece like the RNC was.

Sweater with a big "D" on it.

brianlux

cincybearcat wrote:

brianlux wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

We are suppose to like and trust Obama more because his car had a hole in the door? really? Great, I love a president that drives an unsafe car. Go get a job and buy a nice car asshole.

Let's run the clock back several years for a moment. All of this is true:

It's 1971. I live in a somewhat run-down neighborhood in the city. I go to work everyday in a factory gluing calendars and folding aprons. When it's running, I take my car to work. If I scrunch down a bit, I can see the road go by through a hole near my left foot where rust has eaten through the body. Why do I do all this? I do it because someday I'll finish school, get a job as a teacher and later on will have my own book business.

I'm sorry, did someone say, "Get a job and buy a nice car asshole"?

I think you missed my point. The point being, who cares about that?It's all the fluff and nonsense of the conventions. It's become a reality TV show....nothing of substance.

I suppose you're right- in the long run those stories are not so important. Yet a good speech should have a few good anecdotes. Also, I think you have more useful things to say besides calling someone an asshole. If you don't agree with Obama, does that make him an asshole? Besides, assholes serve a useful purpose. If you really want to insult someone, call them a hemorrhoid.

cincybearcat

brianlux wrote:

I suppose you're right- in the long run those stories are not so important. Yet a good speech should have a few good anecdotes. Also, I think you have more useful things to say besides calling someone an asshole. If you don't agree with Obama, does that make him an asshole? Besides, assholes serve a useful purpose. If you really want to insult someone, call them a hemorrhoid.

Ahhh, so my choice in words ruined the message for you?

Michelle was poised and delivered her speech well. I'm just sorry that the content of that speech appears to excite so many people, because it was all fluff. She is an intelligent individual, I'm sure she could speak of more important matters than the car Obama drove. And like I said, I thought the same of the Ann Romney speech that everyone seemed to really like. Although, I watched far more of Michelle's.

blackredyellow

Cliffy6745 wrote:

She was great last night. A fantastic first lady.

People who trash Michelle Obama lose all credibility for anything else they say. If you have bad things to say about her, you are either way too hyper-partisan, or just an idiot. She is smart, classy, and does good things for childhood obesity and military families.

And it goes across political parties. I couldn't stand George Bush, but I was impressed every time I saw Laura Bush speak, and when I read about some of her initiatives with literacy, etc.

The far right talking heads who bash Michelle Obama should be ashamed. If their daughters ended up anything like her, they'd be the proudest parents in the world (and rightly so).

cincybearcat

blackredyellow wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

She was great last night. A fantastic first lady.

People who trash Michelle Obama lose all credibility for anything else they say. If you have bad things to say about her, you are either way too hyper-partisan, or just an idiot. She is smart, classy, and does good things for childhood obesity and military families.

And it goes across political parties. I couldn't stand George Bush, but I was impressed every time I saw Laura Bush speak, and when I read about some of her initiatives with literacy, etc.

The far right talking heads who bash Michelle Obama should be ashamed. If their daughters ended up anything like her, they'd be the proudest parents in the world (and rightly so).

It's ok to trash the content of a speech.

gimmesometruth27

blackredyellow wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

She was great last night. A fantastic first lady.

People who trash Michelle Obama lose all credibility for anything else they say. If you have bad things to say about her, you are either way too hyper-partisan, or just an idiot. She is smart, classy, and does good things for childhood obesity and military families.

And it goes across political parties. I couldn't stand George Bush, but I was impressed every time I saw Laura Bush speak, and when I read about some of her initiatives with literacy, etc.

The far right talking heads who bash Michelle Obama should be ashamed. If their daughters ended up anything like her, they'd be the proudest parents in the world (and rightly so).

i second that!

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

Because everyone puts it into their own context of what "fair" is and then assumes that Obama is going to do that, so they agree. The reality is he just wants to take in more $ to the government and spend more money.

I'll tell you what I DON'T think is a "fair share." A fair share is NOT you paying 20% of your income, me paying 13% and Mitt Romney paying .8% on the money that we can prove that he has an 0% on the rest.

If you need to hide your money around the world so you can amass more while the people who built the country (that you want to lead) all go without basic health care, safe roads an affordable education... well maybe leading that country isn't really something I'm comfortable with you doing.

And as far as taking in more money to spend more money... Good. We need money spent on roads, schools, infrastructure, public transportation, clean national parks, lower crime and encouraging the country to be great again. And how about making sure that the people who worked their whole lives to build the country don't die alone and in poverty?

Wouldn't it be nice if the younger generations grew up wanting to be president again? Grew up wanting to be Doctors and Firemen and scientists and not wanting to be Snookie? Because right now that's the only future a lot of them can see.

And that to me is sad. That's not a country that I want America to be.

brianlux

cincybearcat wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I suppose you're right- in the long run those stories are not so important. Yet a good speech should have a few good anecdotes. Also, I think you have more useful things to say besides calling someone an asshole. If you don't agree with Obama, does that make him an asshole? Besides, assholes serve a useful purpose. If you really want to insult someone, call them a hemorrhoid.

Ahhh, so my choice in words ruined the message for you?

No, you were just being a hemorrhoid.

Just kidding!

Gotta run- off to work. Have fun on the train all.

pandora

I missed her but plan on looking online later...
I knew she'd do well she is eloquent.
I loved her brother and our President's sisters speech together.

gimmesometruth27

inlet13 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

looks like someone is bitter that the romney post convention bounce was only one point...

pom-poms.

troll

blackredyellow

cincybearcat wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

She was great last night. A fantastic first lady.

People who trash Michelle Obama lose all credibility for anything else they say. If you have bad things to say about her, you are either way too hyper-partisan, or just an idiot. She is smart, classy, and does good things for childhood obesity and military families.

And it goes across political parties. I couldn't stand George Bush, but I was impressed every time I saw Laura Bush speak, and when I read about some of her initiatives with literacy, etc.

The far right talking heads who bash Michelle Obama should be ashamed. If their daughters ended up anything like her, they'd be the proudest parents in the world (and rightly so).

It's ok to trash the content of a speech.

Right, I don't disagree with that, but we've seen such personal attracts on her from the right.

gimmesometruth27

blackredyellow wrote:

Right, I don't disagree with that, but we've seen such personal attracts on her from the right.

they would trash Mary, the mother of jesus, if they did not feel obligated to show her a tiny bit of respect because of her position.

London Bridge

Both conventions are fluffing pep rallies. If that's not your thing, don't watch them.

Solution = change the channel

inlet13

blackredyellow wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

She was great last night. A fantastic first lady.

People who trash Michelle Obama lose all credibility for anything else they say. If you have bad things to say about her, you are either way too hyper-partisan, or just an idiot. She is smart, classy, and does good things for childhood obesity and military families.

And it goes across political parties. I couldn't stand George Bush, but I was impressed every time I saw Laura Bush speak, and when I read about some of her initiatives with literacy, etc.

The far right talking heads who bash Michelle Obama should be ashamed. If their daughters ended up anything like her, they'd be the proudest parents in the world (and rightly so).

I watched part of it - the last 15 min or so. I didn't like it. Nothing against her, but I didn't think the substance was very good at all. I think she's a good speaker - she showed that - so she's got that going for her. I think most lawyers are good speakers though. I think she comes across a bit cocky. Anyway, all that doesn't matter, her underlying points were not good. She's was dodging the real issues. But... In the end though, it doesn't matter. She's the first lady - she's not running for anything. This isn't the prom queen. So, who cares?

Analysis on first-ladies is kinda funny though, so I'll keep it going - unlike Michelle, I think Laura Bush was not a very good speaker. I didn't really like her and I don't like Mrs. Obama at all. I also didn't like Hillary Clinton. I dislike them for different reasons, however. With Laura Bush, I didn't like her librarian approach to everything - she seemed out of touch. With Mrs. Obama, I think she's power-hungry, yet passive aggressive. She seems to have this sense of entitlement. Hillary Clinton is also obviously power-hungry and to me, she came across as just horribly fake.

I can't think of a first lady that I thought - wow, that one's normal. They all are off... just like their husbands.