Paul Ryan's speech RNC speech. No actual facts required.

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Well what your proposing is more like "round and round we circle the toilet bowl until all the money is depleted from the middle class and the mega-rich have a circle-jerk.

nice picture there

I prefer round and round the businesses grow to employ more people and get them off
of aid

So would these people that we're getting off of aid and employing, would they have to work one day a week for free? Would they be required to forfeit one fifth of their salaries (in addition to the typical taxes, etc)? Or is that only if they go into a helping profession?

I will say I believe everyone can compromise, everyone can learn to do with less,
everyone can give to their fellow man. Everyone can help.
If we don't all will be sorry.
Unfortunately not everyone does help.
And actually like with the Aurora killing some feed off those who give...
all the money raised for the victims families only a small portion has been given to them,
an even smaller portion to another charity the rest is being held.
Millions... nice interest there. Lawsuits to follow ... good lord.

I believe the people on aid should be required to do community service,
I think everyone should. I do. A tax break for me or my business there would be nice.
I think I did mention any generosity would be tax exempt in the other thread.

Must have hit a nerve the thought you would give your time to help others free of charge. :?
Or is it because to would be required?

norm

mickeyrat

Indifference wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

ok so we go from a budget SURPLUS when Bush came into office and now 4 years into Obama he's derided in Ryans speech for adding 5 trillion to the debt. which means a republican added 10 TRILLION in less than 8 years.

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WOW talking about facts here - there is a difference between the BUDGET and the DEBT - fact is the debt has gone up more under Obama then 8 years prior under Bush.

Ok, my ignorance showed itself there. Brief bit of research and I see your point.

I wonder how bad things would be now IF Bush hadnt instituted those TEMPORARY cuts in the first place. Would the government be better positioned to get the economy moving?

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

Trickle down.

And there it is.

The "Trickle Down" theory which has been shown to NEVER WORK. It doesn't work because the mega-rich take those tax cuts and instead of investing them in new businesses like we wanted them to, they just socked the money away in foreign accounts and didn't pay taxes on them.

Jobs are not created by giving tax cuts to people who don't need them. Jobs are created by consumer demand and THAT is only created by a strong middle class with disposable income.

In the 90s, Bill Clinton delivered unprecedented growth and a surplus. In 2002, George W Bush brought us back to the trickle-down debacle, giving those "job creators" huge tax cuts and the result was cut services, crumbling infrastructure, the burden shifted to the middle class who can no longer afford to buy magazines and has turned to the internet for their news and current events, general and hobby interest articles and recipes.

Do you have any other turds of wisdom you'd like to share with the class? :roll:

Prince Of Dorkness

Indifference wrote:

WOW talking about facts here - there is a difference between the BUDGET and the DEBT - fact is the debt has gone up more under Obama then 8 years prior under Bush.

That's true. Although the reasons are varied, a huge one is that our interest rate was raised thanks to Paul Ryan and his teabaggers refusing the raise the debt ceiling. Which resulted in our being unable to pay our bills.

gimmesometruth27

so it has been well established that ryan fudged facts at best, and outright lied at worst. are we supposed to try to understand him and respect him and show forgiveness when it is obvious that he spoke only to promote his own agenda?

to me a lie, or misspeaking is one occasion. this dude has spent the last 2 weeks telling the same lies over and over and over again. that warrants no love, respect, or understanding, or at this point, forgiveness...

Cliffy6745

norm wrote:

BEST.PICTURE.EVER

Prince Of Dorkness

Maybe Pandora can explain why, if Trickle Down economics works so well, Paul Ryan had to instead talk about things that didn't happen to get votes.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

nice picture there

I prefer round and round the businesses grow to employ more people and get them off
of aid

So would these people that we're getting off of aid and employing, would they have to work one day a week for free? Would they be required to forfeit one fifth of their salaries (in addition to the typical taxes, etc)? Or is that only if they go into a helping profession?

I will say I believe everyone can compromise, everyone can learn to do with less,
everyone can give to their fellow man. Everyone can help.
If we don't all will be sorry.
Unfortunately not everyone does help.
And actually like with the Aurora killing some feed off those who give...
all the money raised for the victims families only a small portion has been given to them,
an even smaller portion to another charity the rest is being held.
Millions... nice interest there. Lawsuits to follow ... good lord.

I believe the people on aid should be required to do community service,
I think everyone should. I do. A tax break for me or my business there would be nice.
I think I did mention any generosity would be tax exempt in the other thread.

Must have hit a nerve the thought you would give your time to help others free of charge. :?
Or is it because to would be required?

I think it would be great if everyone did community service as you and I both seem to do. Requiring it may run counter to the spirit of it though. Would it be required for everyone to do community service or just required for the poor, disabled and those in the helping professions? Would the people required to do community service also get a tax break or just those who get to choose to do it?

London Bridge

The RNC is making me

prism

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Maybe Pandora can explain why, if Trickle Down economics works so well, Paul Ryan had to instead talk about things that didn't happen to get votes.

the gop still expecting ppl to fall for trickle down economics ... the very same charlatans that want to take control of women's vaginas...

can't help thinking the first thing the fools could've done for this country was trickle down their mother's leg :think:

London Bridge

I have nothing against Clint Eastwood, but I think tonight's show/mockery is being done in bad taste.

RFTC

from a pure speech/connection to audience performance/ranked in order:

Paul Ryan nailed it, say otherwise this dude killed the message (whether you agree or not)
C Rice-presidential, intelligent, and rational understanding of our place in the world.
ann romney, told her husbands story in personal terms, no problem here

boehner, the worst, made some fktard comment about throwing out obama, pure trash he is
christie, selfish nonsense, war on teachers, off key (can he read teleprompter) etc,
huckabee, preacher gone wild, he is a posterchild for politifact.
rubio, he's an amateur, seen better on ivy league circuit.


who did i miss? or was way off base, (trying to keep this civilized, people).

Prince Of Dorkness

RFTC wrote:

who did i miss? or was way off base, (trying to keep this civilized, people).

Paul Ryan nailed it, alright. By "it," you mean "the coffin." Even Fox News called him out for being a total liar.

Condoleeza Rice. A great speaker and apparently a nice person, just an incompetent boob. But she's still the first black woman to hold an office that high in America and she's a very good pianist. I said "PIANIST."

Ann Romeny. A baffling speech. She opened with that "a woman's work is never done and we work harder and we really run the world" bit and then told the audience that it was OK for women to be paid 72¢ for every $1 a man makes. Then said that there would be tax cuts coming and some people weren't going to like them. I'm guessing her $770,000 tax write off for her dressage horse isn't among those cuts. She came off as a heartless bitch. And I really am using the nicest word I can think of that still fits.

norm

oh clint...

comebackgirl

norm wrote:

oh clint...

It was quite the anna nicole smith moment :?

Prince Of Dorkness

I am disappoint.

fife

Got home late lst night but decided to watch Mitt speech and found it to be very interesting. I found the part where he was talking about his mom running for the senate to be very interesting.

How can Mitt say that his mom believe that woman have a right to participate in the highest decision in government but Mitt still does not believe that woman should also have the right to their own body.

I found the speech was inconsistent with his platform in way.

inmytree

lyin' ryan....

I'm not the only one who thinks he's a lying bum....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/3 ... etail=hide

Dave Weigel, Slate.com:
"incredible string of false or misleading statements"

Joan Walsh, Salon.com:
"His Republican National Convention speech was stunning for its dishonesty"

Jonathan Cohn, the New Republic:
The Most Dishonest Convention Speech ... Ever?


TPM:
Top 5 Fibs In Paul Ryan’s Convention Speech


Michael Tomasky, the Daily Beast:
"Paul Ryan pushed American politics into new territory with his convention speech, effectively daring Democrats and the media to call him out on his string of blatant falsehoods"


Jonathan Bernstein, the Washington Post:
Paul Ryan fails -- the truth


AP:
FACT CHECK: Convention speakers stray from reality


Dan Amira, NY Magazine:
Paul Ryan Bets on the Ignorance of America


Fox News contributor, Sally Kohn:
“Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.”


Steve Benen, Maddowblog:
Paul Ryan stands on a foundation of lies


Huffington Post:
PAUL TALES: RYAN MISLEADS, AGAIN AND AGAIN


Politicsusa:
5 Biggest lies in Romney’s speech:


Bob Cesca:
Paul Ryan’s Speech: Lies, Lies and More Lies


Washington Post Editorial Board:
Mr. Ryan’s misleading speech


Factcheck.org
“Paul Ryan’s acceptance speech at the Republican convention contained several false claims and misleading statements.”

Andrew Sullivan, the Daily Beast:
The lies and lies of Paul Ryan


Ryan Lizza, the New Yorker:
The Paul Ryan Speech: Five Hypocrisies


Jonathan Chait, NY magazine:
Paul Ryan’s large lies and one big truth


James Downie, Washington Post:
Paul Ryan’s breathtakingly dishonest speech


James Fallow, Atlantic
Paul Ryan and the post truth convention


Robert Schlesinger, US News
http://www.usnews.com/...

LYIN' Santorum
Rick Santorum repeats inaccurate welfare attack on Obama


Juan Cole:
Top Ten Repeated Paul Ryan Lies


The Guardian:
Paul Ryan's speech: a round-up of his most audacious untruths


Charles Pierce, Esquire:
Paul Ryan Is the Newest New Nixon, a Moocher Belied


Huffington Post
Busted! Ryan's speech fools no one


David Firestone, NYT
Beyond Factual Dishonesty
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Josh Barro, Bloomberg
Paul Ryan’s Hypocritical Attack on Barack Obama


Lindy West, Jezebel.com
Why lying is bad, a primer for confused republicans

Johnny Abruzzo

One more:

Pinocchio politics: Paul Ryan's speech can't stand up to scrutiny
http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/national-interest/item/43599-pinocchio-politics-paul-ryans-speech-cant-stand-up-to-scrutiny