Paul Ryan's speech RNC speech. No actual facts required.
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Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said that "We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers."
Meaning "we can only win this election by lying, so we're going to do that."
And Paul Ryan's speech pretty much proved this point. His lies, fabrications and bizarre misleading statements piled up as he continued. By the end I thought he was going to say "and he peed in my PANTS, too!"
• Ryan complained about the closing of a GM plant he says president Obama promised to keep open. Except Obama didn't promise that. And the plant closed in December 2008 -- while George W. Bush was president.
• Ryan claimed that the stimulus was a "useless waste of money that did nothing for the American people" insisted it didn't created any jobs. But the stimulus did create jobs, millions of them. And Ryan requested some of those supposedly "worthless stimulus funds" for his district. Again.. millions of them.
• He also made a cornerstone of his argument the claim that Obama "funneled" $716 billion out of Medicare to pay for Obamacare. But he didn't mention that his own budget plan relies on those very same savings.
• Ryan blamed the president for Standard & Poor's downgrade of U.S. government debt. But he didn't mention that S&P itself, in explaining its downgrade, referred to the debt ceiling standoff.... that was driven by House Republicans, led by Paul Ryan.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/pa ... check.html
Meaning "we can only win this election by lying, so we're going to do that."
And Paul Ryan's speech pretty much proved this point. His lies, fabrications and bizarre misleading statements piled up as he continued. By the end I thought he was going to say "and he peed in my PANTS, too!"
• Ryan complained about the closing of a GM plant he says president Obama promised to keep open. Except Obama didn't promise that. And the plant closed in December 2008 -- while George W. Bush was president.
• Ryan claimed that the stimulus was a "useless waste of money that did nothing for the American people" insisted it didn't created any jobs. But the stimulus did create jobs, millions of them. And Ryan requested some of those supposedly "worthless stimulus funds" for his district. Again.. millions of them.
• He also made a cornerstone of his argument the claim that Obama "funneled" $716 billion out of Medicare to pay for Obamacare. But he didn't mention that his own budget plan relies on those very same savings.
• Ryan blamed the president for Standard & Poor's downgrade of U.S. government debt. But he didn't mention that S&P itself, in explaining its downgrade, referred to the debt ceiling standoff.... that was driven by House Republicans, led by Paul Ryan.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/pa ... check.html
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pretty bad when Fox agrees there were a lot of lies.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/ ... ree-words/0 -
These people are shameless hucksters. The truth is not in them.0
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Smellyman wrote:pretty bad when Fox agrees there were a lot of lies.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/ ... ree-words/
ouch lol...My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
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this convention has been full of some pretty swallow Barack bashing and about puffing their chests about being 'real americans'.. but when it comes to facts or any policy run down... nah the sheep just want to hear that they will do a better job then the president with no facts at all..
perfect example is that plant that shut down down during the bush administration.. Ryan keeps blaming Obama.. it SHUT down in 2008 when Bush was still president... Walker said this also on MSNBC and later corrected himself that what he meant that Obama promised to reopen or something and never did... I mean they twist to their advantage.. the fact of the matter is their policies and speeches have been aimed at conservative white voters and them alone.. except for C Rice speech which was actually good. It will take a lot for them to win in November.I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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blackredyellow wrote:Smellyman wrote:pretty bad when Fox agrees there were a lot of lies.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/ ... ree-words/
ouch lol...
ouch indeed.. never seen such a scathing article on the GOP on that website..I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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as far as the Janesville plant
(CNN) -- Paul Ryan on Wednesday night told a story about then-presidential candidate Barack Obama telling automotive workers that government can help keep their plant going -- an account that Ryan reportedly got wrong previously.
Did the Wisconsin congressman get it right as he accepted the GOP nomination for vice president at the Republican National Convention?
Ryan discussed Obama's February 2008 speech at the General Motors plant in Janesville, Wisconsin -- a plant that eventually closed. According to Ryan, Obama had said that "if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years."
The statement:
"When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory. A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day."
The facts:
First, some context. Ryan reportedly recalled this event incorrectly just days ago, during an August 16 speech in Ohio.
Ryan reportedly alleged that Obama said he'd "keep that plant open," and therefore broke his promise because the plant closed.
"That plant was shut down in 2009. I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he'll keep that plant open," Ryan said, according to the Janesville Gazette. "One more broken promise."
The Detroit News pointed out that Obama made no such promise in the February 13, 2008, speech, and indeed, we've seen no account suggesting that Obama did. Here is the quote at issue, according to an account kept by the Council on Foreign Relations:
"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."
By "bad news," Obama apparently was referring to GM's February 12, 2008, announcement that it had a $38.7 billion adjusted net loss for 2007.
So, back on August 16 of this year, it does appear Ryan was wrong for saying Obama promised to keep it open.
The News and the Gazette went further, reporting that the plant halted production in December 2008, and saying that Ryan essentially was criticizing Obama for failing to save a plant that closed before Obama took office.
However, while December 2008 saw the end of the vast majority of the plant's work, the Gazette itself has reported that the plant didn't close fully until April 2009. Here's a timeline:
June 2008: GM announces that the Janesville plant will stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs such as the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban and the GMC Yukon in 2010 or sooner, depending on market demand.
December 23, 2008: SUV production ends, and more than 2,000 GM workers are laid off, according to the Gazette. Medium truck production continues.
April 23, 2009: The plant's medium-duty assembly line, which produced an Isuzu line, closes, ending vehicle production at the plant and resulting in the loss of 57 production jobs, according to the Gazette.
GM then put the plant on standby, meaning it could reactivate the facility if it decides it needs to ramp up production.
Now, compare Ryan's Wednesday night statement with the one he gave on August 16. On Wednesday, Ryan said nothing of Obama making a promise, but rather quoted him.
The quote is truncated (in Ryan's prepared remarks released to the media, an ellipsis replaces the missing words, "give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition") but essentially is correct.
The only thing Ryan appears to have gotten technically wrong in Wednesday's version was saying that the plant didn't last another year. It did last another year -- more like 14 months -- if the Isuzu line and its 57 workers count.
So, though Ryan might have been incorrect in the August 16 telling, he cleaned it up for Wednesday's convention. Obama said what Ryan said he said.
But to fairly evaluate Obama's statement, at least two pieces of context -- missing from Ryan's account -- would be useful: First, that Obama wasn't telling this plant that he'd save it from a pending closure. He wasn't addressing a plant that he knew to be closing, because the closure announcement didn't come until four months after his speech. Second, although the plant's last bit of production stopped early in Obama's presidency and the plant remains closed, the closure was planned before Obama became president.
Verdict: True, but incomplete.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/politics/ ... index.html0 -
wow...Smellyman wrote:pretty bad when Fox agrees there were a lot of lies.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/ ... ree-words/
was that a liberal plant on foxnews.com??"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
i just love how the truth, if it had been presented in the speech, would have ruined such a nice speech..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
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as far as the jobs created by the stimulus ....
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/05/cbo-ob ... ion-a-job/
wow 4.1 million a job holy crapola... :wtf:
Stimulating employers will bring jobs...
novel idea.
We are broke let's stop spending...
novel idea.
Stop relying on the Federal government to provide solutions with funny money
is that made in China :?
novel idea.0 -
pandora wrote:as far as the Janesville plant
(CNN) -- Paul Ryan on Wednesday night told a story about then-presidential candidate Barack Obama telling automotive workers that government can help keep their plant going -- an account that Ryan reportedly got wrong previously.
Did the Wisconsin congressman get it right as he accepted the GOP nomination for vice president at the Republican National Convention?
Ryan discussed Obama's February 2008 speech at the General Motors plant in Janesville, Wisconsin -- a plant that eventually closed. According to Ryan, Obama had said that "if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years."
The statement:
"When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory. A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day."
The facts:
First, some context. Ryan reportedly recalled this event incorrectly just days ago, during an August 16 speech in Ohio.
Ryan reportedly alleged that Obama said he'd "keep that plant open," and therefore broke his promise because the plant closed.
"That plant was shut down in 2009. I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he'll keep that plant open," Ryan said, according to the Janesville Gazette. "One more broken promise."
The Detroit News pointed out that Obama made no such promise in the February 13, 2008, speech, and indeed, we've seen no account suggesting that Obama did. Here is the quote at issue, according to an account kept by the Council on Foreign Relations:
"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."
By "bad news," Obama apparently was referring to GM's February 12, 2008, announcement that it had a $38.7 billion adjusted net loss for 2007.
So, back on August 16 of this year, it does appear Ryan was wrong for saying Obama promised to keep it open.
The News and the Gazette went further, reporting that the plant halted production in December 2008, and saying that Ryan essentially was criticizing Obama for failing to save a plant that closed before Obama took office.
However, while December 2008 saw the end of the vast majority of the plant's work, the Gazette itself has reported that the plant didn't close fully until April 2009. Here's a timeline:
June 2008: GM announces that the Janesville plant will stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs such as the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban and the GMC Yukon in 2010 or sooner, depending on market demand.
December 23, 2008: SUV production ends, and more than 2,000 GM workers are laid off, according to the Gazette. Medium truck production continues.
April 23, 2009: The plant's medium-duty assembly line, which produced an Isuzu line, closes, ending vehicle production at the plant and resulting in the loss of 57 production jobs, according to the Gazette.
GM then put the plant on standby, meaning it could reactivate the facility if it decides it needs to ramp up production.
Now, compare Ryan's Wednesday night statement with the one he gave on August 16. On Wednesday, Ryan said nothing of Obama making a promise, but rather quoted him.
The quote is truncated (in Ryan's prepared remarks released to the media, an ellipsis replaces the missing words, "give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition") but essentially is correct.
The only thing Ryan appears to have gotten technically wrong in Wednesday's version was saying that the plant didn't last another year. It did last another year -- more like 14 months -- if the Isuzu line and its 57 workers count.
So, though Ryan might have been incorrect in the August 16 telling, he cleaned it up for Wednesday's convention. Obama said what Ryan said he said.
But to fairly evaluate Obama's statement, at least two pieces of context -- missing from Ryan's account -- would be useful: First, that Obama wasn't telling this plant that he'd save it from a pending closure. He wasn't addressing a plant that he knew to be closing, because the closure announcement didn't come until four months after his speech. Second, although the plant's last bit of production stopped early in Obama's presidency and the plant remains closed, the closure was planned before Obama became president.
Verdict: True, but incomplete.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/politics/ ... index.html
Great article Thank you very much. Now that we can use Opinions (on the Fox web site, even better) as fact I like this one better:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/ryans-speech-builds-trust-among-grassroots-conservatives/?intcmp=trending
Prince....I have a feeling if Romney was down with gay marriage he would have your full support.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
aerial wrote:
Great article Thank you very much. Now that we can use Opinions (on the Fox web site, even better) as fact I like this one better:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/ryans-speech-builds-trust-among-grassroots-conservatives/?intcmp=trending
Prince....I have a feeling if Romney was down with gay marriage he would have your full support.
grassroots conservatives like liars....interesting...0 -
aerial wrote:Prince....I have a feeling if Romney was down with gay marriage he would have your full support.
:fp:
...and in that bizarro world, maybe Romney himself can conduct PoD's wedding!
But then again, anything is possible. Didnt he used to support abortion rights? :?Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
pandora wrote:as far as the jobs created by the stimulus ....
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/05/cbo-ob ... ion-a-job/
wow 4.1 million a job holy crapola... :wtf:
Stimulating employers will bring jobs...
novel idea.
We are broke let's stop spending...
novel idea.
Stop relying on the Federal government to provide solutions with funny money
is that made in China :?
novel idea.
lol...the gov't can't create jobs but you'll blame them when they are not there...
when will the "I build it crowd" quite whining and start building....?0 -
RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."
Ryan As Chairman of the Budget Committee uses the money for deficit reduction.
And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.
Ryan's plan to remake Medicare would shift future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans.
People plan their own retirement and health needs ...
novel idea.0 -
inmytree wrote:pandora wrote:as far as the jobs created by the stimulus ....
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/05/cbo-ob ... ion-a-job/
wow 4.1 million a job holy crapola... :wtf:
Stimulating employers will bring jobs...
novel idea.
We are broke let's stop spending...
novel idea.
Stop relying on the Federal government to provide solutions with funny money
is that made in China :?
novel idea.
lol...the gov't can't create jobs but you'll blame them when they are not there...
when will the "I build it crowd" quite whining and start building....?
Do you own a business?
I'm looking for an environment that appreciates business and
understands when business is happy everyone is happy.
Just like Mama...0 -
inmytree wrote:grassroots conservatives like liars....interesting...
this is politics in all it's glory ...
do you think a Democrat has never twisted the truth for their agenda?
give us a break...
all the blues here attempting to call it lies ... funny stuff
one truth we all see
the economy for a full term President is still in the toilet ...
and it may well get worse if the current course is not changed.0 -
pandora wrote:
Do you own a business?
I'm looking for an environment that appreciates business and
understands when business is happy everyone is happy.
Just like Mama...
lol...why would it matter if I owned a business...? I have eyes and ears....I see and hear whining....
when will the "I built it" folks quite blaming gov't for their problems...?Post edited by inmytree on0 -
pandora wrote:inmytree wrote:grassroots conservatives like liars....interesting...
this is politics in all it's glory ...
do you think a Democrat has never twisted the truth for their agenda?
give us a break...
all the blues here attempting to call it lies ... funny stuff
one truth we all see
the economy for a full term President is still in the toilet ...
and it may well get worse if the current course is not changed.
Ryan is a liar....plain and simple...spin it anyway you like, he's still a liar...0 -
exactly.inmytree wrote:Ryan is a liar....plain and simple...spin it anyway you like, he's still a liar..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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