Paul Ryan's speech RNC speech. No actual facts required.

Johnny Abruzzo

This shit about yelling at Obama about the $700B Medicare "cuts" is infuriating. They talk about ways to save Medicare, but now that Obama came up with (rather ingenious) ways to help it out by implementing essential reforms, they say he's stealing from it... to, what?, give other people health insurance? And Ryan implicitly supports the cuts by including them in his own budget.

A bunch of...

pandora

inmytree wrote:

pandora wrote:

Do you own a business?

I'm looking for an environment that appreciates business and
understands when business is happy everyone is happy.

Just like Mama...

lol...why would it matter if I owned a business...? I have eyes and ears....I see and hear whining....

when will the "I built it" folks quite blaming gov't for there problems...?

This comment lacks the understanding to grasp what people experience
as business owners.

The I built it is based in love, pride, sweat, family, life.
Blaming anyone other than ourselves is not in our nature, we take responsibility,
we struggle, we succeed.

When government can not appreciate the importance of
freedom, individuality, personal achievement that goes hand in hand with
business it can not provide an environment where it flourishes.

We need someone who gets business and brings an environment back for hiring,
growth and success this in turn brings more work back for the small business
and the micro business, which in turns helps the economy and helps you,
I assume.

pandora

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

This shit about yelling at Obama about the $700B Medicare "cuts" is infuriating. They talk about ways to save Medicare, but now that Obama came up with (rather ingenious) ways to help it out by implementing essential reforms, they say he's stealing from it... to, what?, give other people health insurance? And Ryan implicitly supports the cuts by including them in his own budget.

A bunch of...

to bring down the deficit :fp:

Johnny Abruzzo

pandora wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

This shit about yelling at Obama about the $700B Medicare "cuts" is infuriating. They talk about ways to save Medicare, but now that Obama came up with (rather ingenious) ways to help it out by implementing essential reforms, they say he's stealing from it... to, what?, give other people health insurance? And Ryan implicitly supports the cuts by including them in his own budget.

A bunch of...

to bring down the deficit :fp:

Obamacare was paid for, unlike various Republican boondoggles like the Iraq War, Bush Tax Cuts and Medicare Part D. Obamacare is projected to decrease the deficit.

Sorry if the facts screw up your great stories, which really are quite lovely.

pandora

inmytree wrote:

pandora wrote:

inmytree wrote:

grassroots conservatives like liars....interesting...

this is politics in all it's glory ...
do you think a Democrat has never twisted the truth for their agenda?
give us a break...
all the blues here attempting to call it lies ... funny stuff

one truth we all see

the economy for a full term President is still in the toilet ...

and it may well get worse if the current course is not changed.

Ryan is a liar....plain and simple...spin it anyway you like, he's still a liar...

No he did not lie on any of the points and I have posted confirming
articles of a non biased source.

Funny though no one is approaching the above bolded red statement...

I get it, it is disappointing.
I too wish our President had done more.
I too want the economy, the unemployment rate to be better,
much better. I too find the deficit growth to be disturbing.

I think there is one way that is better than the current way,
it is based in common sense not a color or a party....

We need business to grow, to grow it needs to be relatively sure of success,
we know Romney knows what these factors are, we know he knows how to grow a business.

When business is happy everyone is happy including all of us.

MayDay10

the deficit isnt going to go down for Romney, Obama, etc

stop slurping up what these guys spin off.

Defense spending is the biggest beast that needs to be fed. Fighting about medicare, etc is peanuts compared to that.
if someone preaches fiscal responsibility, but doesnt go there, they are 100% certifiably full of shit.

pandora

MayDay10 wrote:

the deficit isnt going to go down for Romney, Obama, etc

stop slurping up what these guys spin off.

Defense spending is the biggest beast that needs to be fed. Fighting about medicare, etc is peanuts compared to that.
if someone preaches fiscal responsibility, but doesnt go there, they are 100% certifiably full of shit.

Defense will be going down also... it must.
As was implied in a few speeches already.

MayDay10

lol.

I must have missed that amongst all his promises to increase defense spending.

Its tough to keep track with these guys.

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

Prince....I have a feeling if Romney was down with gay marriage he would have your full support.

And you'd be wrong about that,

Just like I told Meghan McCain to go fuck herself over her support of the war, her lies about how giving her tax breaks for "creating jobs" and her disdain for women's reproductive rights. She loves the gays because they "so fun" and all that crap. But she's a two-faced bitch and I told her "it's a shame they ever took that duct tape off your mouth."

Then she... Gasp... Blocked me on twitter. Oh... The shame.

Mitt Romeny WAS for marriage equality but when he decided to be president, he allowed himself to be bullied by a few tiny groups of people like NOM into signing pledges to bring in federal constitutional amendments against it. He's spineless and gutless.

BUT he's also a classist pig who thinks of people like you and me as worker bees. Just drones. Not human.

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

Do you own a business?

I'm looking for an environment that appreciates business and
understands when business is happy everyone is happy.

Just like Mama...

I own a business. And since I'm also not a total moron, I know that you can lower my taxes through the floor and give me credit for building the roads and bridges and the power lines all you want...

But unless there is a strong middle class with disposable income to buy the products I sell, I'm fucked. And so is America.

I wish republicans were smart enough to see that. Alas.. They generally are not.

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

The I built it is based in love, pride, sweat, family, life.
Blaming anyone other than ourselves is not in our nature, we take responsibility,
we struggle, we succeed.

Oh give me a freaking break.

No, it's not,

It's based on a republican party that's devoid of ideas and needs to resort to lies about the president, deflecting their own inability to do anything at all and focusing on pointless wedge issues like my marriage and your uterus.


Trying to tell me anything else is a lie. And you know it. And so does everyone else here.

inmytree

pandora wrote:

inmytree wrote:

pandora wrote:

Do you own a business?

I'm looking for an environment that appreciates business and
understands when business is happy everyone is happy.

Just like Mama...

lol...why would it matter if I owned a business...? I have eyes and ears....I see and hear whining....

when will the "I built it" folks quite blaming gov't for there problems...?

This comment lacks the understanding to grasp what people experience
as business owners.

The I built it is based in love, pride, sweat, family, life.
Blaming anyone other than ourselves is not in our nature, we take responsibility,
we struggle, we succeed.

When government can not appreciate the importance of
freedom, individuality, personal achievement that goes hand in hand with
business it can not provide an environment where it flourishes.

We need someone who gets business and brings an environment back for hiring,
growth and success this in turn brings more work back for the small business
and the micro business, which in turns helps the economy and helps you,
I assume.

what does this even mean...?

you talk of feelings...not business....

you sound like you want special treatment or some sort of validation from the gov't....that's silly...I thought business was in business to make money....

"We need someone who gets business and brings an environment back for hiring,
growth and success"...so you expect the gov't to take care of you and your business....? I'm sorry, but that's wrongheaded....

inmytree

pandora wrote:

No he did not lie on any of the points and I have posted confirming
articles of a non biased source.

Funny though no one is approaching the above bolded red statement...

I get it, it is disappointing.
I too wish our President had done more.
I too want the economy, the unemployment rate to be better,
much better. I too find the deficit growth to be disturbing.

I think there is one way that is better than the current way,
it is based in common sense not a color or a party....

We need business to grow, to grow it needs to be relatively sure of success,
we know Romney knows what these factors are, we know he knows how to grow a business.

When business is happy everyone is happy including all of us.

Oh sweet jesus...there is so much here...no wonder you think Ryan was telling the "truth, but incomplete"....


only telling part of the truth is a lie....it's called lying by omission....

gimmesometruth27

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

The I built it is based in love, pride, sweat, family, life.
Blaming anyone other than ourselves is not in our nature, we take responsibility,
we struggle, we succeed.

Oh give me a freaking break.

No, it's not,

It's based on a republican party that's devoid of ideas and needs to resort to lies about the president, deflecting their own inability to do anything at all and focusing on pointless wedge issues like my marriage and your uterus.


Trying to tell me anything else is a lie. And you know it. And so does everyone else here.

+100

Halifax2TheMax

pandora wrote:

RYAN: "And the biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. ... So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama."

Ryan As Chairman of the Budget Committee uses the money for deficit reduction.
And the cuts do not affect Medicare recipients directly, but rather reduce payments to hospitals, health insurance plans and other service providers.

Ryan's plan to remake Medicare would shift future retirees into a system in which they would get a fixed payment to shop for coverage among private insurance plans.


People plan their own retirement and health needs ...

novel idea.

Elderly Hospital Patient: "Eh, whats that? $6,000 won't cover the cost?"

Hospital Administrator: "No, I'm sorry, the total cost of your procedure is $120,000 and that's before we assign you a room and see what your recovery will be like. The $120,000 is just for the surgery. The recovery can require at least 5 nights in the hospital."

Elderly Hospital Patient: "But I thought my $6,000 voucher covered me. That's what Paul Ryan said. And that's why I voted for him and Willard."

Hospital Administrator: "Well, we'll take your $6,000 voucher and set you up on the payment plan. Do you own a home you can put up for collateral? Do you have any adult children that can co-sign and assume payments if you're unable to? What's your net worth? Do you have a car or other possession you could sell to raise capital?"

Elderly Hospital Patient: "Eh, car? I took the bus to get here. And I live in the elderly housing in my town because I don't have any children and I live on my deceased husband's pension and social security benefit. $120,000? I don't have that kind of money."

Hospital Administrator: "Please take a seat in the emergency room and wait to be called. Next."

And yea, when are the "we built it" crowd going to stop whining and just go out there and build it already. Stop waiting for the government. And all those republican governors? What the hell have they been doing for the past three years? And the republican Congress? "we're going to focus on job creation like a laser beam." Yea, right. And how many bills has Obama vetoed and what does that tell you? And Willard Mitt Romney built it all himself, right? Never used taxpayer or government money to build Bain, right? Ever hear of CALPERS? How much of Bain's capital was Willard Mitt Romney'$ own? And the olympics? It'd be nice to know exactly what transpired but, hmmm, the records have all disappeared. Kind of like all the records of when he was governor of Massachusetts. Took a page right out of the Bush's playbook. Back to the 1920's we go.

Peace.

pandora

http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/30/defen ... at-the-rnc

Rand Paul gave a good speech, some here speak badly of him, I thought he seemed
compromising, very bright. Might be our future?

McCain's remarks are here too as he was the pro military speech.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258 this shows where the money goes
personally I'm good with the ratios...
each needs to be cut equally and getting debt down will mean we have less interest to pay
and maybe we can have a nest egg

Everyone must sacrifice

but having one half of Americans on some sort of government aid is ridiculous,
be different if we were not in debt, somethings got to give.

If your family was living on credit cards would you invite your long lost uncle to stay
permanently? no common sense says no, credit cards run out.

ComeToTX

pandora wrote:

http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/30/defense-hawks-vs-budget-hawks-at-the-rnc

Rand Paul gave a good speech, some here speak badly of him, I thought he seemed
compromising, very bright. Might be our future?

McCain's remarks are here too as he was the pro military speech.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258 this shows where the money goes
personally I'm good with the ratios...
each needs to be cut equally and getting debt down will mean we have less interest to pay
and maybe we can have a nest egg

Everyone must sacrifice

but having one half of Americans on some sort of government aid is ridiculous,
be different if we were not in debt, somethings got to give.

If your family was living on credit cards would you invite your long lost uncle to stay
permanently? no common sense says no, credit cards run out.

So you're fine with that defense budget? Doesn't seem excessive to you? Not everyone is sacraficing. That's the problem. The people that can't affort to sacrafice are sacraficing the most.

pandora

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

The I built it is based in love, pride, sweat, family, life.
Blaming anyone other than ourselves is not in our nature, we take responsibility,
we struggle, we succeed.

Oh give me a freaking break.

No, it's not,

It's based on a republican party that's devoid of ideas and needs to resort to lies about the president, deflecting their own inability to do anything at all and focusing on pointless wedge issues like my marriage and your uterus.


Trying to tell me anything else is a lie. And you know it. And so does everyone else here.

No you are blue very very blue that is not an assumption so blue you are biased blue
and everyone sees this.



The I built it for me and many are just as I said and probably
would be for you too if a Democrat had said it.

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/30/defense-hawks-vs-budget-hawks-at-the-rnc

Rand Paul gave a good speech, some here speak badly of him, I thought he seemed
compromising, very bright. Might be our future?

McCain's remarks are here too as he was the pro military speech.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258 this shows where the money goes
personally I'm good with the ratios...
each needs to be cut equally and getting debt down will mean we have less interest to pay
and maybe we can have a nest egg

Everyone must sacrifice

but having one half of Americans on some sort of government aid is ridiculous,
be different if we were not in debt, somethings got to give.

If your family was living on credit cards would you invite your long lost uncle to stay
permanently? no common sense says no, credit cards run out.

So you're fine with that defense budget? Doesn't seem excessive to you? Not everyone is sacraficing. That's the problem. The people that can't affort to sacrafice are sacraficing the most.

I'm fine with it being one 5th as food stamps etc are but across the board everything
must get equally cut.

BinauralJam

pandora wrote:

I'm fine with it being one 5th as food stamps etc are but across the board everything
must get equally cut.

I disagree.