I am curious what your sources are and what you have read? I'd be interested to read reputable and respected information that opposes my view. Not some site that is good at SEO and knows how to get their hoax site to the top of the search results. I am sure you'll dance around this and throw out moronic dinosaur cliches.
I actually have been to 3 or 4 glaciers around the world from New Zealand to Canada multiple times since 1991 and have seen the change first hand. So while it's not polar ice caps, it is certainly scary.
Edit: And a question on the Ice Age. Since you like to cite history all the time, are you aware of how long it has historically taken an Ice Age to develop? Anyone who believes in climate changes does not argue that the earth heats and cools naturally over time, it is that we are playing a major role in speeding up the process to unatural and dangerous levels.
All over the interweb...television...newspapers...magazines. SHits all over. Do your own searching. Again...I don't need to prove what I believe. The Earth is cyclical...that's what I believe. Again...I don't need to prove it to you or anyone else...the point of my OP was the whole Whore...I mean Gore movie...Democratic propaganda at its finest.
So just to confirm you are not going to answer any of my questions or respond with anything of substance?
I found a list of about 40 or so "scientists" who do not believe in the human element of climate change. Just give me a name of one of them that shaped your view and I'll read it. Or at least give me something besides PR and Dinosaur cliches. And it's funny, next to the list of all them are the percentage that agree and disagree. My 5% yesterday was very generous.
...or PR campaigns are produced to make you think that way. :corn:
critical thinking dude ... critical thinking ... for one who thinks people have their heads up their asses - you would think you would support this ...
Science and education are PR campaigns...got it.
The "science" community once argued the World was flat. For centuries and centiries it was "believed" to be true. Fuck...maybe the world is actually flat?
The "science" community once argued the World was flat. For centuries and centiries it was "believed" to be true. Fuck...maybe the world is actually flat?
Well, if you havent busted out your protractor today yet and measured it yourself...
So just to confirm you are not going to answer any of my questions or respond with anything of substance?
I found a list of about 40 or so "scientists" who do not believe in the human element of climate change. Just give me a name of one of them that shaped your view and I'll read it. Or at least give me something besides PR and Dinosaur cliches. And it's funny, next to the list of all them are the percentage that agree and disagree. My 5% yesterday was very generous.
Funny. I found a list of 40 scientists who support human cause of climate change...and they all have different theories...none of them can explain the Ice Age however without having a major blowup and argument. Let me know when that settles. :corn: Until then, get me one of theose Whips the Dinosaurs were driving. Thtas hit must have been dope!!
So just to confirm you are not going to answer any of my questions or respond with anything of substance?
I found a list of about 40 or so "scientists" who do not believe in the human element of climate change. Just give me a name of one of them that shaped your view and I'll read it. Or at least give me something besides PR and Dinosaur cliches. And it's funny, next to the list of all them are the percentage that agree and disagree. My 5% yesterday was very generous.
Funny. I found a list of 40 scientists who support human cause of climate change...and they all have different theories...none of them can explain the Ice Age however without having a major blowup and argument. Let me know when that settles. :corn: Until then, get me one of theose Whips the Dinosaurs were driving. Thtas hit must have been dope!!
The "science" community once argued the World was flat. For centuries and centiries it was "believed" to be true. Fuck...maybe the world is actually flat?
Well, if you havent busted out your protractor today yet and measured it yourself...
EXACTLY!!!!! People read this shit about global warming and feel must "save the earth". The fucking earth is bigger than you assholes. It can swallow us up at any given time it chooses to. To think we are "changing it" is fucking ridiculous. Holy fuck...we dig down into the earth before fucking humans even existed and we see climate changes. I always like the dismissal of the Ice Age by people who support this bullshit.
they've been talking about this anti-intellectualism for some time ... it's true ...
It is and it's sad. This dude is the exact problem with this country. I can understand and get behind republicans who have respectable views, people like inlet and edson who are clearly educated and can debate topics (and sometimes prove me wrong) and while I don't necessarily agree with them, I respect their opinion because it is based on education and critical thinking.
Then there is this guy, who is the stereotype of dumb Americans, the reason why so many in the rest of the world think we are ignorant morons. Global warming is not real because some website I searched for told me so, we should murder Mexicans because some show on Nat Geo told me it is a problem, we shouldn't help anyone because by god I never needed help, we shouldn't have gay marraige because equality isn't important, and anything that costs me a few bucks, even if it is for the greater good of this country is wrong. He rants and raves about the how great this country is, yet he as no interest in the greater good of it. Oh and when someone pushes him on a topic, he resorts to cliches I spouted when I was in 6th grade and wanted to play devils advocate to my parents.
To be quite frank...your quote is a cliche'. When people who support this shit are asked the ultimate question...they have no answer. It's quite comical actually.
they've been talking about this anti-intellectualism for some time ... it's true ...
It is and it's sad. This dude is the exact problem with this country. I can understand and get behind republicans who have respectable views, people like inlet and edson who are clearly educated and can debate topics (and sometimes prove me wrong) and while I don't necessarily agree with them, I respect their opinion because it is based on education and critical thinking.
Then there is this guy, who is the stereotype of dumb Americans, the reason why so many in the rest of the world think we are ignorant morons. Global warming is not real because some website I searched for told me so, we should murder Mexicans because some show on Nat Geo told me it is a problem, we shouldn't help anyone because by god I never needed help, we shouldn't have gay marraige because equality isn't important, and anything that costs me a few bucks, even if it is for the greater good of this country is wrong. He rants and raves about the how great this country is, yet he as no interest in the greater good of it. Oh and when someone pushes him on a topic, he resorts to cliches I spouted when I was in 6th grade and wanted to play devils advocate to my parents.
Stereotype of dumb Americans. Nice quote. Ignorant? It's always funny when pushing liberals with logic and they can't go further they get personal...kind of like Demos with this election. Lets concentrate on gay marriage (something that affects such a small percentage of the population) intsead of the real issues that affect everyone. I laugh.
To be quite frank...your quote is a cliche'. When people who support this shit are asked the ultimate question...they have no answer. It's quite comical actually.
Is that right? So my experience visting glaciers that took so many years to develop and are now shrinking by the year is a cliche? My experience speaking to respected academics and reading respected papers and journals on the topic is a cliche?
But yeah, you found something on the Google...congrats.
And let me ask you this? If you agree that pollution is bad for everyone disgregarding climate change, why is it a bad thing to try and have an positive impact on this earth and leave our children with the same natural surroundings that we had? Why is it a bad thing to cut down on the pollution and save our surroundings? Outside of climate change.
The "science" community once argued the World was flat. For centuries and centiries it was "believed" to be true. Fuck...maybe the world is actually flat?
:fp: ... so, now all science should be disregarded!?? ... how absurd is that? ...
hey - why don't we put all our toxic waste in DS's backyard ... just as long as I can google a website that says toxic waste is not bad for you ...
Stereotype of dumb Americans. Nice quote. Ignorant? It's always funny when pushing liberals with logic and they can't go further they get personal...kind of like Demos with this election. Lets concentrate on gay marriage (something that affects such a small percentage of the population) intsead of the real issues that affect everyone. I laugh.
Everything you say is just brutal. There is a reason no one else is really debating you. The whole "don't argue with a fool" quote. So yeah, I guess jokes on me.
Social issues are a a small part of this election but important to me as I don't think we can be considered the greatest country in the world if everyone is not considered equal. Like I said, I don't give a shit if social issues impact 1% of the population or 90% of the population, equality is equality. Obama has certainly not done everything I had hoped economically, but in my view, the Ryan budget or anything along those lines is not the answer.
The "science" community once argued the World was flat. For centuries and centiries it was "believed" to be true. Fuck...maybe the world is actually flat?
Well, if you havent busted out your protractor today yet and measured it yourself...
EXACTLY!!!!! People read this shit about global warming and feel must "save the earth". The fucking earth is bigger than you assholes. It can swallow us up at any given time it chooses to. To think we are "changing it" is fucking ridiculous. Holy fuck...we dig down into the earth before fucking humans even existed and we see climate changes. I always like the dismissal of the Ice Age by people who support this bullshit.
This is sad...the saddest way of thinking about and treating our planet.
To think we are changing it is "fucking ridiculous?"
I despise this attitude and its really sad...But what if we are changing it? Cant we all just do a little better, just in case? Otherwise, a fuckit, i'll pollute, it doesnt matter attitude gets us nowhere.
Do you know what happens if you turn on your car and sit in your garage with the door closed? You fucking die. And that's just one car. The atmosphere acts in such a way that it traps these gases. Do you think they just disappear with zero effect?
To be quite frank...your quote is a cliche'. When people who support this shit are asked the ultimate question...they have no answer. It's quite comical actually.
Is that right? So my experience visting glaciers that took so many years to develop and are now shrinking by the year is a cliche? My experience speaking to respected academics and reading respected papers and journals on the topic is a cliche?
But yeah, you found something on the Google...congrats.
And let me ask you this? If you agree that pollution is bad for everyone disgregarding climate change, why is it a bad thing to try and have an positive impact on this earth and leave our children with the same natural surroundings that we had? Why is it a bad thing to cut down on the pollution and save our surroundings? Outside of climate change.
How much reserach did you do at those glaciers? DId you find the ones that were grwoing too? :corn:
The "science" community once argued the World was flat. For centuries and centiries it was "believed" to be true. Fuck...maybe the world is actually flat?
:fp: ... so, now all science should be disregarded!?? ... how absurd is that? ...
hey - why don't we put all our toxic waste in DS's backyard ... just as long as I can google a website that says toxic waste is not bad for you ...
Of course all science shouldn't be disregarded. It is what it is. Like I keep saying...a 1000 years ago...there really wasn't a fucking scientist in the world who didn't believe the world was flat. I'm glad we didn't fucking listen to them!
Stereotype of dumb Americans. Nice quote. Ignorant? It's always funny when pushing liberals with logic and they can't go further they get personal...kind of like Demos with this election. Lets concentrate on gay marriage (something that affects such a small percentage of the population) intsead of the real issues that affect everyone. I laugh.
Everything you say is just brutal. There is a reason no one else is really debating you. The whole "don't argue with a fool" quote. So yeah, I guess jokes on me.
Social issues are a a small part of this election but important to me as I don't think we can be considered the greatest country in the world if everyone is not considered equal. Like I said, I don't give a shit if social issues impact 1% of the population or 90% of the population, equality is equality. Obama has certainly not done everything I had hoped economically, but in my view, the Ryan budget or anything along those lines is not the answer.
And that's your opinion and your right to feel that way...what I find ironic though...is even though I don't agree with you, and I think differently...I have never once called you stupid or ignorant or tried insulting you. Usually people who only feel cornered do stuff like that. Just saying.
And let me ask you this? If you agree that pollution is bad for everyone disgregarding climate change, why is it a bad thing to try and have an positive impact on this earth and leave our children with the same natural surroundings that we had? Why is it a bad thing to cut down on the pollution and save our surroundings? Outside of climate change.
I really like to think that most of us would like to respect our planet, but not all are able to think like this I suppose.
How much reserach did you do at those glaciers? DId you find the ones that were grwoing too? :corn:
Personal research, not much, but I was with numerous people who were. And I have pictures of myself standing in the same spot on two of them (Franz Josef for one) years apart, in one I am standing on ice, in the other I am not and it is not even close. I am far from an expert on the topic but have read, talked to and been around enough conferences on the topic that I feel I can have a pretty sound opinion.
This is sad...the saddest way of thinking about and treating our planet.
To think we are changing it is "fucking ridiculous?"
I despise this attitude and its really sad...But what if we are changing it? Cant we all just do a little better, just in case? Otherwise, a fuckit, i'll pollute, it doesnt matter attitude gets us nowhere.
Do you know what happens if you turn on your car and sit in your garage with the door closed? You fucking die. And that's just one car. The atmosphere acts in such a way that it traps these gases. Do you think they just disappear with zero effect?
Stereotype of dumb Americans. Nice quote. Ignorant? It's always funny when pushing liberals with logic and they can't go further they get personal...kind of like Demos with this election. Lets concentrate on gay marriage (something that affects such a small percentage of the population) intsead of the real issues that affect everyone. I laugh.
Everything you say is just brutal. There is a reason no one else is really debating you. The whole "don't argue with a fool" quote. So yeah, I guess jokes on me.
Social issues are a a small part of this election but important to me as I don't think we can be considered the greatest country in the world if everyone is not considered equal. Like I said, I don't give a shit if social issues impact 1% of the population or 90% of the population, equality is equality. Obama has certainly not done everything I had hoped economically, but in my view, the Ryan budget or anything along those lines is not the answer.
And that's your opinion and your right to feel that way...what I find ironic though...is even though I don't agree with you, and I think differently...I have never once called you stupid or ignorant or tried insulting you. Usually people who only feel cornered do stuff like that. Just saying.
Actually, I doubt it has anything to do with feeling cornered...it looks like to me, and likely many others, that its the only way to deal with your posts because they are usually condescending... and either you're often joking or we've mistaken it for childish baiting. Its very transparent actually.
Stereotype of dumb Americans. Nice quote. Ignorant? It's always funny when pushing liberals with logic and they can't go further they get personal...kind of like Demos with this election. Lets concentrate on gay marriage (something that affects such a small percentage of the population) intsead of the real issues that affect everyone. I laugh.
Everything you say is just brutal. There is a reason no one else is really debating you. The whole "don't argue with a fool" quote. So yeah, I guess jokes on me.
Social issues are a a small part of this election but important to me as I don't think we can be considered the greatest country in the world if everyone is not considered equal. Like I said, I don't give a shit if social issues impact 1% of the population or 90% of the population, equality is equality. Obama has certainly not done everything I had hoped economically, but in my view, the Ryan budget or anything along those lines is not the answer.
And that's your opinion and your right to feel that way...what I find ironic though...is even though I don't agree with you, and I think differently...I have never once called you stupid or ignorant or tried insulting you. Usually people who only feel cornered do stuff like that. Just saying.
That's fine, I am certainly wrong for doing that but I most definitely do not feel cornered. The woman tells me I handle this shit terribly all the time. I can't help it though, especially when the person I am debating cares only about their self and does not bring anything of substance to the table. Edson and inlet bring strong views on the way to benefit this economy, that in summary tax cuts will create jobs. I understand their point of view but don't agree. They have cited specific examples as to why they think that way. In the climate change argument and most others, you have brought nothing to the table except citing Google, propaganda, shooting mexicans and other BS like that.
This is sad...the saddest way of thinking about and treating our planet.
To think we are changing it is "fucking ridiculous?"
I despise this attitude and its really sad...But what if we are changing it? Cant we all just do a little better, just in case? Otherwise, a fuckit, i'll pollute, it doesnt matter attitude gets us nowhere.
Do you know what happens if you turn on your car and sit in your garage with the door closed? You fucking die. And that's just one car. The atmosphere acts in such a way that it traps these gases. Do you think they just disappear with zero effect?
Actually, I doubt it has anything to do with feeling cornered...it looks like to me, and likely many others, that its the only way to deal with your posts because they are usually condescending... and either you're often joking or we've mistaken it for childish baiting. Its very transparent actually.
Not baiting. Just asking the ultimate logical questions.
That's fine, I am certainly wrong for doing that but I most definitely do not feel cornered. The woman tells me I handle this shit terribly all the time. I can't help it though, especially when the person I am debating cares only about their self and does not bring anything of substance to the table. Edson and inlet bring strong views on the way to benefit this economy, that in summary tax cuts will create jobs. I understand their point of view but don't agree. They have cited specific examples as to why they think that way. In the climate change argument and most others, you have brought nothing to the table except citing Google, propaganda, shooting mexicans and other BS like that.
I'll guess I'll wait for your own personal findings then. :corn: Let me know when you get them. :corn:
Of course all science shouldn't be disregarded. It is what it is. Like I keep saying...a 1000 years ago...there really wasn't a fucking scientist in the world who didn't believe the world was flat. I'm glad we didn't fucking listen to them!
listen to yourself ... you want to disregard all the climate scientists today because of what someone might have said 1,000 years ago!? ... heck 100 years ago? ... don't you realize how absurd this logic is?
Actually, I doubt it has anything to do with feeling cornered...it looks like to me, and likely many others, that its the only way to deal with your posts because they are usually condescending... and either you're often joking or we've mistaken it for childish baiting. Its very transparent actually.
Not baiting. Just asking the ultimate logical questions.
I'm just wondering what fucking size those SUVs must have been that the dinosaurs were driving that cause the ice age. Fuck...those must have been some major fucking rides!
Actually, I doubt it has anything to do with feeling cornered...it looks like to me, and likely many others, that its the only way to deal with your posts because they are usually condescending... and either you're often joking or we've mistaken it for childish baiting. Its very transparent actually.
Not baiting. Just asking the ultimate logical questions.
I'm just wondering what fucking size those SUVs must have been that the dinosaurs were driving that cause the ice age. Fuck...those must have been some major fucking rides!
This is sad...the saddest way of thinking about and treating our planet.
To think we are changing it is "fucking ridiculous?"
I despise this attitude and its really sad...But what if we are changing it? Cant we all just do a little better, just in case? Otherwise, a fuckit, i'll pollute, it doesnt matter attitude gets us nowhere.
Do you know what happens if you turn on your car and sit in your garage with the door closed? You fucking die. And that's just one car. The atmosphere acts in such a way that it traps these gases. Do you think they just disappear with zero effect?
I do actually.
That about sums it up.
Exactly. I guess its easy to get defensive when working in the automotive industry.
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So just to confirm you are not going to answer any of my questions or respond with anything of substance?
I found a list of about 40 or so "scientists" who do not believe in the human element of climate change. Just give me a name of one of them that shaped your view and I'll read it. Or at least give me something besides PR and Dinosaur cliches. And it's funny, next to the list of all them are the percentage that agree and disagree. My 5% yesterday was very generous.
The "science" community once argued the World was flat. For centuries and centiries it was "believed" to be true. Fuck...maybe the world is actually flat?
:fp:
I have to say, your analogies and bits of reasoning are so mindnumbingly out there, that I appreciate the comedy of it all. Thanks for the laugh!
Well, if you havent busted out your protractor today yet and measured it yourself...
Funny. I found a list of 40 scientists who support human cause of climate change...and they all have different theories...none of them can explain the Ice Age however without having a major blowup and argument. Let me know when that settles. :corn:
Yep, cliches.
EXACTLY!!!!! People read this shit about global warming and feel must "save the earth".
It is and it's sad. This dude is the exact problem with this country. I can understand and get behind republicans who have respectable views, people like inlet and edson who are clearly educated and can debate topics (and sometimes prove me wrong) and while I don't necessarily agree with them, I respect their opinion because it is based on education and critical thinking.
Then there is this guy, who is the stereotype of dumb Americans, the reason why so many in the rest of the world think we are ignorant morons. Global warming is not real because some website I searched for told me so, we should murder Mexicans because some show on Nat Geo told me it is a problem, we shouldn't help anyone because by god I never needed help, we shouldn't have gay marraige because equality isn't important, and anything that costs me a few bucks, even if it is for the greater good of this country is wrong. He rants and raves about the how great this country is, yet he as no interest in the greater good of it. Oh and when someone pushes him on a topic, he resorts to cliches I spouted when I was in 6th grade and wanted to play devils advocate to my parents.
To be quite frank...your quote is a cliche'. When people who support this shit are asked the ultimate question...they have no answer. It's quite comical actually.
Stereotype of dumb Americans. Nice quote.
Is that right? So my experience visting glaciers that took so many years to develop and are now shrinking by the year is a cliche? My experience speaking to respected academics and reading respected papers and journals on the topic is a cliche?
But yeah, you found something on the Google...congrats.
And let me ask you this? If you agree that pollution is bad for everyone disgregarding climate change, why is it a bad thing to try and have an positive impact on this earth and leave our children with the same natural surroundings that we had? Why is it a bad thing to cut down on the pollution and save our surroundings? Outside of climate change.
:fp: ... so, now all science should be disregarded!?? ... how absurd is that? ...
hey - why don't we put all our toxic waste in DS's backyard ... just as long as I can google a website that says toxic waste is not bad for you ...
Everything you say is just brutal. There is a reason no one else is really debating you. The whole "don't argue with a fool" quote. So yeah, I guess jokes on me.
Social issues are a a small part of this election but important to me as I don't think we can be considered the greatest country in the world if everyone is not considered equal. Like I said, I don't give a shit if social issues impact 1% of the population or 90% of the population, equality is equality. Obama has certainly not done everything I had hoped economically, but in my view, the Ryan budget or anything along those lines is not the answer.
This is sad...the saddest way of thinking about and treating our planet.
To think we are changing it is "fucking ridiculous?"
I despise this attitude and its really sad...But what if we are changing it? Cant we all just do a little better, just in case? Otherwise, a fuckit, i'll pollute, it doesnt matter attitude gets us nowhere.
Do you know what happens if you turn on your car and sit in your garage with the door closed? You fucking die. And that's just one car. The atmosphere acts in such a way that it traps these gases. Do you think they just disappear with zero effect?
How much reserach did you do at those glaciers? DId you find the ones that were grwoing too? :corn:
Of course all science shouldn't be disregarded. It is what it is. Like I keep saying...a 1000 years ago...there really wasn't a fucking scientist in the world who didn't believe the world was flat. I'm glad we didn't fucking listen to them!
And that's your opinion and your right to feel that way...what I find ironic though...is even though I don't agree with you, and I think differently...I have never once called you stupid or ignorant or tried insulting you. Usually people who only feel cornered do stuff like that. Just saying.
I really like to think that most of us would like to respect our planet, but not all are able to think like this I suppose.
Personal research, not much, but I was with numerous people who were. And I have pictures of myself standing in the same spot on two of them (Franz Josef for one) years apart, in one I am standing on ice, in the other I am not and it is not even close. I am far from an expert on the topic but have read, talked to and been around enough conferences on the topic that I feel I can have a pretty sound opinion.
Which glaciers happen to be growing?
I do actually.
Actually, I doubt it has anything to do with feeling cornered...it looks like to me, and likely many others, that its the only way to deal with your posts because they are usually condescending... and either you're often joking or we've mistaken it for childish baiting. Its very transparent actually.
That's fine, I am certainly wrong for doing that but I most definitely do not feel cornered. The woman tells me I handle this shit terribly all the time. I can't help it though, especially when the person I am debating cares only about their self and does not bring anything of substance to the table. Edson and inlet bring strong views on the way to benefit this economy, that in summary tax cuts will create jobs. I understand their point of view but don't agree. They have cited specific examples as to why they think that way. In the climate change argument and most others, you have brought nothing to the table except citing Google, propaganda, shooting mexicans and other BS like that.
That about sums it up.
Not baiting. Just asking the ultimate logical questions.
I'll guess I'll wait for your own personal findings then. :corn: Let me know when you get them. :corn:
listen to yourself ... you want to disregard all the climate scientists today because of what someone might have said 1,000 years ago!? ... heck 100 years ago? ... don't you realize how absurd this logic is?
Oh, you mean these:
Nice little summary I think... :corn:
Pretty much. If not anything you "know" is only read...but then again the PR machine has already been discussed.
Exactly. I guess its easy to get defensive when working in the automotive industry.
So what industry do you work in? :corn:
I'm a shepherd. :corn: