Mike Huckabee: Rapes Have Created Amazing People!

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

That will not happen whether they get in office or not...

Really?

Because many states have already passed extreme anti-abortion laws and they're supported by the same people who are trying to pass them at the federal level.

So... well, you're wrong. It WILL happen and they often TRY to make it happen and given the chance they will MAKE it happen.

This is the kind of fear that separates people, causes them to pick a party and go to extreme.

If wanting to keep it legal for women to choose to NOT be forced vessels for the fetuses of their rapists is "extreme" to you, I now understand why our country is so messed up. You make me fear for humanity.

catefrances

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

If wanting to keep it legal for women to choose to NOT be forced vessels for the fetuses of their rapists is "extreme" to you, I now understand why our country is so messed up. You make me fear for humanity.

wow what a novel concept... women having sovereignty over their own bodies.

redrock

comebackgirl wrote:

so if a woman does become pregnant as a result of rape, would the rapist have parental rights? .

It would seem that in some states, men who father through rape have the same custody and visitation rights as other fathers.

Shauna Prewitt is an author, attorney, advocate, and public speaker. While a student at the University of Chicago, the course of Shauna's life changed forever. Finding herself the victim of sexual assault, Shauna soon thereafter learned that she was pregnant from her attack. After deciding to continue the pregnancy and raise her child, Shauna was shocked when her attacker sought custody of the baby girl. Trapped in her own personal hell, Shauna was even more astonished when she learned that few legal protections exist to protect the women who mother through rape. Without such laws, men who father through rape may assert the same custody rights over their rape-conceived children as other fathers enjoy.

Spurred by these events, Shauna made a commitment to do what she could to change the custody laws around the nation. In August 2006, Shauna enrolled at Georgetown Law School and began the tedious and often frustrating task of examining the custody rights of men who father through rape. Astonished to learn that only a handful of states had legal protections in place that restrict the parental rights of men who father through rape, Shauna set out to answer the question, "Why?" The results of Shauna's years-long analysis culminated in the publication of the first and only scholarly piece examining the legal protections afforded to women who mother through rape. Since its publication in March 2010, Shauna's piece has received much attention from legal scholars, state legislators, family court judges, attorneys, and advocacy groups.


http://www.xojane.com/author/shauna-prewitt

comebackgirl

redrock wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

so if a woman does become pregnant as a result of rape, would the rapist have parental rights? .

It would seem that in some states, men who father through rape have the same custody and visitation rights as other fathers.

Shauna Prewitt is an author, attorney, advocate, and public speaker. While a student at the University of Chicago, the course of Shauna's life changed forever. Finding herself the victim of sexual assault, Shauna soon thereafter learned that she was pregnant from her attack. After deciding to continue the pregnancy and raise her child, Shauna was shocked when her attacker sought custody of the baby girl. Trapped in her own personal hell, Shauna was even more astonished when she learned that few legal protections exist to protect the women who mother through rape. Without such laws, men who father through rape may assert the same custody rights over their rape-conceived children as other fathers enjoy.

Spurred by these events, Shauna made a commitment to do what she could to change the custody laws around the nation. In August 2006, Shauna enrolled at Georgetown Law School and began the tedious and often frustrating task of examining the custody rights of men who father through rape. Astonished to learn that only a handful of states had legal protections in place that restrict the parental rights of men who father through rape, Shauna set out to answer the question, "Why?" The results of Shauna's years-long analysis culminated in the publication of the first and only scholarly piece examining the legal protections afforded to women who mother through rape. Since its publication in March 2010, Shauna's piece has received much attention from legal scholars, state legislators, family court judges, attorneys, and advocacy groups.


http://www.xojane.com/author/shauna-prewitt

This is really horrifying. I thought I had heard of some cases where this had happened. So now the woman could potentially be victimized a third time.

comebackgirl

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

The point which ya'll seem to be missing is pretty simple actually.
Instead of terminating a pregnancy from a rape out of fear, or anger, or negative emotions ... you could transmute your pain and raise a beautiful child, instead of ending it's life.
After all, the child isn't to blame.

And I'm wondering, even if a woman is able to do this, what if her partner can't? Women who are married and in committed relationships are also raped. So let's say a married woman is raped and is forced to carry the pregnancy to term. Would her husband be able to support her through this process? Would he be able to go to the prenatal visits, support her through childbirth? Would he be comfortable with the child potentially having his last name, and be able to support the child emotionally and financially? Would he be able to look at the child and see the features of his wife's rapist and not subconsciously feel anger, resentment, even rage? And if the marriage fails (because of the strain of this or some other reason) would he continue to pay child support since he had raised the child as his own? Would he be able to deal with his wife's potential trauma to this? What if she can't work due to PTSD or PPD? What if she can't care for or bond with the child? Would he be able to take all of this on? I know men do this all the time with children who were consensually conceived prior to their relationships with their wives, but I think this may be much more challenging. I am sure there are some wonderful men out there in really strong, supportive relationships that could support their wives and the child and love them; but I also think there are many that would struggle with this, that would also be traumatized by this. I think ultimately a couple should be allowed to decide what their family looks like, with the woman having ultimate decision about how her body is used.

pandora

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

That will not happen whether they get in office or not...

Really?

Because many states have already passed extreme anti-abortion laws and they're supported by the same people who are trying to pass them at the federal level.

So... well, you're wrong. It WILL happen and they often TRY to make it happen and given the chance they will MAKE it happen.

This is the kind of fear that separates people, causes them to pick a party and go to extreme.

If wanting to keep it legal for women to choose to NOT be forced vessels for the fetuses of their rapists is "extreme" to you, I now understand why our country is so messed up. You make me fear for humanity.

What anti abortion laws do you consider extreme?

What is extreme to me is telling people roe vs wade is going to be overturned...
that is fear mongering.

I am pro choice not sure why you fear me... must be the common sense factor

dimitrispearljam

catefrances wrote:

dear stupid men,

will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.


thank you,
women of the world.

THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST THING EVER WRITEN IN THIS FORUM......

DriftingByTheStorm

Re: comebackgirl, et. al.

Humans are imperfect people, and until the time at which they become inwardly so, will continue to struggle through life in all sorts of sad and tortured ways. Some of this pain and sadness will be brought on them. Some they will bring on themselves. In every case the goal should be to overcome your travails, and not to bed led astray by fear or anger.

My initial response was only towards the comments of Huckabee as quoted and meaning-skewed by the OP article. As such, I stand behind the entirety of my response.

I do not support a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, and believe that the "pandora's box" of Roe V. Wade can only successfully be "closed" via an elevation of popular consciousness, a higher spiritual morality, and a return to personal responsibility which our globalized-culture has in large measure lost.

I won't take any further excursions in to the murky waters of the abortion debate, because it is futile and solves little.

The only solution is for men and women both to take more responsibility for their own actions, choices, and decisions. To approach all relevant decisions with a reverence for the sanctity of life. And, above all, to expend much more energy upon bettering themselves and the conditions\opportunities\and consciousness of others than they currently expend digging themselves in to "life holes" and spreading negativity and divisiveness.

comebackgirl

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Re: comebackgirl, et. al.

Humans are imperfect people, and until the time at which they become inwardly so, will continue to struggle through life in all sorts of sad and tortured ways. Some of this pain and sadness will be brought on them. Some they will bring on themselves. In every case the goal should be to overcome your travails, and not to led astray by fear or anger.

My initial response was only towards the comments of Huckabee as quoted and meaning-skewed by the OP article. As such, I stand behind the entirety of my response.

I do not support a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, and believe that the "pandora's box" of Roe V. Wade can only successfully be "closed" via an elevation of popular consciousness, a higher spiritual morality, and a return to personal respoTnsibility which our globalized-culture has iTn large measure lost.

I won't take any further excursions in to the murky waters of the abortion debate, because it is futile and solves little.

The only solution is for men and women both to take more responsibility for their own actions, choices, and decisions. To approach all relevant decisions with a reverence for the sanctity of life. And, above all, to expend much energy upon bettering themselves and the conditions\opportunities\and consciousness of others than they currently expend digging themselves in to "life holes" and spreading negativity and divisiveness.

I appreciate your response and hope that you didn't take my posts personally, as I wanted to address the issue you presented, not you or you personal views.

The path Of healing through pain, fear and anger is a deeply personal one impacted by a multitude of factors. Only the individual can determine the course that path will take. Women can better return to a place of responsibility if they are empowered to take responsibility for all of their choices and actions, including choices about their bodies. This is also hard to do when rapists and abusers are making choices to use their bodies as they see fit. That needs to be addresses first, in my opinion.

I respect that you do not want to discuss the abortion issue. I think it's important to raise the issues that surround abortion. It can't be viewed accurately if it's viewed in isolation. The sanctity of the life of the woman, the victim, the survivor is also to be valued.

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

What is extreme to me is telling people roe vs wade is going to be overturned...
that is fear mongering.

I am pro choice not sure why you fear me... must be the common sense factor

Well then you should read the new GOP Party platform that just came out that both Mitt Romeny and Paul Ryan have championed that includes federal constitutional amendment to ban abortion.

cincybearcat

dimitrispearljam wrote:

catefrances wrote:

dear stupid men,

will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.


thank you,
women of the world.

THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST THING EVER WRITEN IN THIS FORUM......

Yep, sexism is awesome!!!!

Johnny Abruzzo

cincybearcat wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

catefrances wrote:

dear stupid men,

will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.


thank you,
women of the world.

THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST THING EVER WRITEN IN THIS FORUM......

Yep, sexism is awesome!!!!

Yah, I'm glad we're all lumped together. Me and Akin, we're just the same.

hedonist

cincybearcat wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

catefrances wrote:

dear stupid men,

will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.


thank you,
women of the world.

THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST THING EVER WRITEN IN THIS FORUM......

Yep, sexism is awesome!!!!

Yeah, I'll chime in here that while I respect ms. cate, I wish that had been directed toward all idiots regardless of gender. No one has a monopoly on stupidity.

(and I appreciate many of the views expressed here by our resident men)

(plus, I'm a sucker for big brains )

gimmesometruth27

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

What is extreme to me is telling people roe vs wade is going to be overturned...
that is fear mongering.

I am pro choice not sure why you fear me... must be the common sense factor

Well then you should read the new GOP Party platform that just came out that both Mitt Romeny and Paul Ryan have championed that includes federal constitutional amendment to ban abortion.

exactly. pandora, read yesterday's news. i was not fearmongering. i was telling you exactly what is going to happen if you elect these clowns.

brianlux

catefrances wrote:

dear stupid men,

will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.


thank you,
women of the world.

I don't personally have a problem with this as it say stupid men please shut the fuck up.

I'm not stupid. Well, ok, I have to admit there have been a few times when I've acted like I'm stupid and then it's ok to to say please shut the fuck up. Like now maybe?

PJ_Soul

Johnny Abruzzo

PJ_Soul wrote:

I stared for about 10 seconds before I got it. :roll:

Anyways...

Go Beavers

comebackgirl wrote:

The path Of healing through pain, fear and anger is a deeply personal one impacted by a multitude of factors. Only the individual can determine the course that path will take. Women can better return to a place of responsibility if they are empowered to take responsibility for all of their choices and actions, including choices about their bodies. This is also hard to do when rapists and abusers are making choices to use their bodies as they see fit. That needs to be addresses first, in my opinion.

I respect that you do not want to discuss the abortion issue. I think it's important to raise the issues that surround abortion. It can't be viewed accurately if it's viewed in isolation. The sanctity of the life of the woman, the victim, the survivor is also to be valued.

10 out of 10 on the Woot Scale!

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

catefrances wrote:

dear stupid men,

will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.


thank you,
women of the world.

THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST THING EVER WRITEN IN THIS FORUM......

Yep, sexism is awesome!!!!

I fail to see how this is sexist. It is stupid men trying to make decisions that affect only women's health, and they do indeed need to shut the fuck up.

Also, I can't believe that male politicians are even allowed to be involved in decisions about women's health. It's fucking ridiculous.

Vitalogensia

catefrances wrote:dear stupid men,

will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.


thank you,
women of the world.

I thought this post was simply referring to people who generally talk about the issue in the mainstream, which seem to be predominantly men?

Since men cannot be impregnated through rape, what would be a good, correlating example? You know, something that would "put us in their shoes"? I can't think of any, and until I read a compelling one, I'm going to continue to shut the fuck up and not tell women what they should do.