And the "turn lemons into lemonade" answer is very similar to what police used to tell women who were complaining about a stalker: "Well, maybe he likes you. Why don't you give him a chance? You might hit it off... I mean, you're single."
The fact that people would defend a comment like this is disgusting.
While he's right... there ARE some amazing people out there who were the product of "forcible" or "legitimate" rape, that's not a good reason to make abortion illegal.
I hear that "turn lemons into lemonade" all the time and I say, if the lemons are poison they'll kill you either way.
Well said. It's bad enough someone forces themselves inside of you, but if they happen to hijack your DNA you then have to succumb to having your uterus used as a vessel for a life you didn't choose to create because,hey, rapes have created some amazing people. While that may be true, it shouldn't invalidate the woman's choice. She's already had one choice about how her body is used taken away; I don't think that should be compounded a second time. Some women may choose to continue the pregnancy and go on to feel blessed by their child; other women will have their trauma and victimization compounded. None of us can decide which is the right outcome for her.
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Yes, I have heard about the human life amendment, it will not happen....
but stiffer restrictions could possibly. Just as stricter restrictions could happen with gun laws.
The Freedom Party could preserve the right to choose.
and the only reason that it remains the choice of the mom is that Democrats and independents have fought to keep abortions legal and accessible to women.
If people like Akin and Ryan and Romney and Huckabee get their way the mom will have no choice but to carry a baby, even if will be born with severe brain damage, no lungs, no brain, vital organs on the outside or with two heads. Or dead.
exactly. and if romney gets elected, and the gop wins the house and senate, with the conservative majority on the supreme court....bye bye roe v wade, hello "you are knocked up, you deal with it..."
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
and the only reason that it remains the choice of the mom is that Democrats and independents have fought to keep abortions legal and accessible to women.
If people like Akin and Ryan and Romney and Huckabee get their way the mom will have no choice but to carry a baby, even if will be born with severe brain damage, no lungs, no brain, vital organs on the outside or with two heads. Or dead.
That will not happen whether they get in office or not...
This is the kind of fear that separates people, causes them to pick a party and go to extreme.
I am an Independent that will weigh the issues and it might not be abortion it might be the
economy.
Is it true Democrats including our President have supported legislation
that would not offer medical care to sustain the life of a baby
that is aborted and survives?
and the only reason that it remains the choice of the mom is that Democrats and independents have fought to keep abortions legal and accessible to women.
If people like Akin and Ryan and Romney and Huckabee get their way the mom will have no choice but to carry a baby, even if will be born with severe brain damage, no lungs, no brain, vital organs on the outside or with two heads. Or dead.
exactly. and if romney gets elected, and the gop wins the house and senate, with the conservative majority on the supreme court....bye bye roe v wade, hello "you are knocked up, you deal with it..."
this is a bit like the sky is falling ...
did guns magically disappear under this administration?
so if a woman does become pregnant as a result of rape, would the rapist have parental rights? Considering the majority of rapes go unreported and those that are reported are rarely prosecuted (9%),it seems like he would either have parental rights or the survivor would be forced to try and prosecute; and what if she does prosecute and he isn't given a felony conviction (5%), would he still have rights then? I've seen countless cases of domestic violence in which the abuser has been physically abusive to the mother during her pregnancy and in front of the child, but if he hasn't directly abused the child he still has parental rights.
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What the hell is Huckabee's point anyway? Sheesh. Talk about trolls!
The point which ya'll seem to be missing is pretty simple actually.
Instead of terminating a pregnancy from a rape out of fear, or anger, or negative emotions ... you could transmute your pain and raise a beautiful child, instead of ending it's life.
After all, the child isn't to blame.
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I understand your point about abortion, but trauma recovery really isn't this simple. Recovery is different for everyone and some people never heal. I think it's important for women to have the choice rather than forcing them into something that could be a re-victimization. They shouldn't be punished either nor made to feel guilty or selfish if their healing doesn't happen the way some think it should. A fetus is impacted by the ongoing trauma of the mother just as she is. If a woman has the choice to continue the pregnancy she may be able to recover in the manner you mentioned, but take that choice away and mom and child may both still be victims.
Exactly what I was thinking, only better said. If a woman can put aside HOW the child was conceived and can love and nurture that child then that choice is noble and could result in a wonderful bond between mother and child. However, what if she cannot overcome what was done to her? She'll view that child as a constant reminder of what happened to her and may relive that rape over and over. How does that benefit the child? The child will be marginalized possibly abused and victimized through no fault of his or her own. Allow the woman the choice rather than creating circumstances in which a bad situation (the rape) becomes an even worse situation (the destruction of the woman and child through a difficult and traumatic life.)
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
The point which ya'll seem to be missing is pretty simple actually.
Instead of terminating a pregnancy from a rape out of fear, or anger, or negative emotions ... you could transmute your pain and raise a beautiful child, instead of ending it's life.
After all, the child isn't to blame.
]
I understand your point about abortion, but trauma recovery really isn't this simple. Recovery is different for everyone and some people never heal. I think it's important for women to have the choice rather than forcing them into something that could be a re-victimization. They shouldn't be punished either nor made to feel guilty or selfish if their healing doesn't happen the way some think it should. A fetus is impacted by the ongoing trauma of the mother just as she is. If a woman has the choice to continue the pregnancy she may be able to recover in the manner you mentioned, but take that choice away and mom and child may both still be victims.
Exactly what I was thinking, only better said. If a woman can put aside HOW the child was conceived and can love and nurture that child then that choice is noble and could result in a wonderful bond between mother and child. However, what if she cannot overcome what was done to her? She'll view that child as a constant reminder of what happened to her and may relive that rape over and over. How does that benefit the child? The child will be marginalized possibly abused and victimized through no fault of his or her own. Allow the woman the choice rather than creating circumstances in which a bad situation (the rape) becomes an even worse situation (the destruction of the woman and child through a difficult and traumatic life.)
Really well said. I am currently working with a woman who was raped 31 years ago, whose life is still so fractured from the trauma of the assault and the lack of support she received afterwards. She never wanted children of her own because she knew she couldn't survive the trauma of childbirth and was worried about her ability to attach to any child, including children conceived consensually. Even regular OB/GYN visits can be traumatic for survivors. We received a lot of referrals from OB/GYNs when I did rape crisis. The trauma of this if a woman does not have the ability to choose cannot be underestimated
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The point which ya'll seem to be missing is pretty simple actually.
Instead of terminating a pregnancy from a rape out of fear, or anger, or negative emotions ... you could transmute your pain and raise a beautiful child, instead of ending it's life.
After all, the child isn't to blame.
No, the point being missed is that GOVERNMENT elected officials of United States of America at both the State and Federal level want to institute a LAW that FORCES women to conceive children of an unwanted act of Rape, citing that the LAW states that NO Rape occurred if a child resulted.
I'll guarantee you, that no government official stepped in an told these two women that they were required by LAW to carry their pregnancy to full term or face criminal charges.
For every two people Huckabee can find as productive citizens of Rape, you could find 4 murders who were products of rapes. You could find 4 rapists who were products of a rapist. So Huckabee's analysis implying that something good can come out of Rape is bullshit unless a woman has the right of choice.
The woman who is a VICTIM of rape is also not to blame.
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That will not happen whether they get in office or not...
Really?
Because many states have already passed extreme anti-abortion laws and they're supported by the same people who are trying to pass them at the federal level.
So... well, you're wrong. It WILL happen and they often TRY to make it happen and given the chance they will MAKE it happen.
This is the kind of fear that separates people, causes them to pick a party and go to extreme.
If wanting to keep it legal for women to choose to NOT be forced vessels for the fetuses of their rapists is "extreme" to you, I now understand why our country is so messed up. You make me fear for humanity.
If wanting to keep it legal for women to choose to NOT be forced vessels for the fetuses of their rapists is "extreme" to you, I now understand why our country is so messed up. You make me fear for humanity.
wow what a novel concept... women having sovereignty over their own bodies.
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so if a woman does become pregnant as a result of rape, would the rapist have parental rights? .
It would seem that in some states, men who father through rape have the same custody and visitation rights as other fathers.
Shauna Prewitt is an author, attorney, advocate, and public speaker. While a student at the University of Chicago, the course of Shauna's life changed forever. Finding herself the victim of sexual assault, Shauna soon thereafter learned that she was pregnant from her attack. After deciding to continue the pregnancy and raise her child, Shauna was shocked when her attacker sought custody of the baby girl. Trapped in her own personal hell, Shauna was even more astonished when she learned that few legal protections exist to protect the women who mother through rape. Without such laws, men who father through rape may assert the same custody rights over their rape-conceived children as other fathers enjoy.
Spurred by these events, Shauna made a commitment to do what she could to change the custody laws around the nation. In August 2006, Shauna enrolled at Georgetown Law School and began the tedious and often frustrating task of examining the custody rights of men who father through rape. Astonished to learn that only a handful of states had legal protections in place that restrict the parental rights of men who father through rape, Shauna set out to answer the question, "Why?" The results of Shauna's years-long analysis culminated in the publication of the first and only scholarly piece examining the legal protections afforded to women who mother through rape. Since its publication in March 2010, Shauna's piece has received much attention from legal scholars, state legislators, family court judges, attorneys, and advocacy groups.
so if a woman does become pregnant as a result of rape, would the rapist have parental rights? .
It would seem that in some states, men who father through rape have the same custody and visitation rights as other fathers.
Shauna Prewitt is an author, attorney, advocate, and public speaker. While a student at the University of Chicago, the course of Shauna's life changed forever. Finding herself the victim of sexual assault, Shauna soon thereafter learned that she was pregnant from her attack. After deciding to continue the pregnancy and raise her child, Shauna was shocked when her attacker sought custody of the baby girl. Trapped in her own personal hell, Shauna was even more astonished when she learned that few legal protections exist to protect the women who mother through rape. Without such laws, men who father through rape may assert the same custody rights over their rape-conceived children as other fathers enjoy.
Spurred by these events, Shauna made a commitment to do what she could to change the custody laws around the nation. In August 2006, Shauna enrolled at Georgetown Law School and began the tedious and often frustrating task of examining the custody rights of men who father through rape. Astonished to learn that only a handful of states had legal protections in place that restrict the parental rights of men who father through rape, Shauna set out to answer the question, "Why?" The results of Shauna's years-long analysis culminated in the publication of the first and only scholarly piece examining the legal protections afforded to women who mother through rape. Since its publication in March 2010, Shauna's piece has received much attention from legal scholars, state legislators, family court judges, attorneys, and advocacy groups.
The point which ya'll seem to be missing is pretty simple actually.
Instead of terminating a pregnancy from a rape out of fear, or anger, or negative emotions ... you could transmute your pain and raise a beautiful child, instead of ending it's life.
After all, the child isn't to blame.
And I'm wondering, even if a woman is able to do this, what if her partner can't? Women who are married and in committed relationships are also raped. So let's say a married woman is raped and is forced to carry the pregnancy to term. Would her husband be able to support her through this process? Would he be able to go to the prenatal visits, support her through childbirth? Would he be comfortable with the child potentially having his last name, and be able to support the child emotionally and financially? Would he be able to look at the child and see the features of his wife's rapist and not subconsciously feel anger, resentment, even rage? And if the marriage fails (because of the strain of this or some other reason) would he continue to pay child support since he had raised the child as his own? Would he be able to deal with his wife's potential trauma to this? What if she can't work due to PTSD or PPD? What if she can't care for or bond with the child? Would he be able to take all of this on? I know men do this all the time with children who were consensually conceived prior to their relationships with their wives, but I think this may be much more challenging. I am sure there are some wonderful men out there in really strong, supportive relationships that could support their wives and the child and love them; but I also think there are many that would struggle with this, that would also be traumatized by this. I think ultimately a couple should be allowed to decide what their family looks like, with the woman having ultimate decision about how her body is used.
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That will not happen whether they get in office or not...
Really?
Because many states have already passed extreme anti-abortion laws and they're supported by the same people who are trying to pass them at the federal level.
So... well, you're wrong. It WILL happen and they often TRY to make it happen and given the chance they will MAKE it happen.
This is the kind of fear that separates people, causes them to pick a party and go to extreme.
If wanting to keep it legal for women to choose to NOT be forced vessels for the fetuses of their rapists is "extreme" to you, I now understand why our country is so messed up. You make me fear for humanity.
What anti abortion laws do you consider extreme?
What is extreme to me is telling people roe vs wadeis going to be overturned...
that is fear mongering.
I am pro choice not sure why you fear me... must be the common sense factor
will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.
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Humans are imperfect people, and until the time at which they become inwardly so, will continue to struggle through life in all sorts of sad and tortured ways. Some of this pain and sadness will be brought on them. Some they will bring on themselves. In every case the goal should be to overcome your travails, and not to bed led astray by fear or anger.
My initial response was only towards the comments of Huckabee as quoted and meaning-skewed by the OP article. As such, I stand behind the entirety of my response.
I do not support a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, and believe that the "pandora's box" of Roe V. Wade can only successfully be "closed" via an elevation of popular consciousness, a higher spiritual morality, and a return to personal responsibility which our globalized-culture has in large measure lost.
I won't take any further excursions in to the murky waters of the abortion debate, because it is futile and solves little.
The only solution is for men and women both to take more responsibility for their own actions, choices, and decisions. To approach all relevant decisions with a reverence for the sanctity of life. And, above all, to expend much more energy upon bettering themselves and the conditions\opportunities\and consciousness of others than they currently expend digging themselves in to "life holes" and spreading negativity and divisiveness.
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Humans are imperfect people, and until the time at which they become inwardly so, will continue to struggle through life in all sorts of sad and tortured ways. Some of this pain and sadness will be brought on them. Some they will bring on themselves. In every case the goal should be to overcome your travails, and not to led astray by fear or anger.
My initial response was only towards the comments of Huckabee as quoted and meaning-skewed by the OP article. As such, I stand behind the entirety of my response.
I do not support a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, and believe that the "pandora's box" of Roe V. Wade can only successfully be "closed" via an elevation of popular consciousness, a higher spiritual morality, and a return to personal respoTnsibility which our globalized-culture has iTn large measure lost.
I won't take any further excursions in to the murky waters of the abortion debate, because it is futile and solves little.
The only solution is for men and women both to take more responsibility for their own actions, choices, and decisions. To approach all relevant decisions with a reverence for the sanctity of life. And, above all, to expend much energy upon bettering themselves and the conditions\opportunities\and consciousness of others than they currently expend digging themselves in to "life holes" and spreading negativity and divisiveness.
I appreciate your response and hope that you didn't take my posts personally, as I wanted to address the issue you presented, not you or you personal views.
The path Of healing through pain, fear and anger is a deeply personal one impacted by a multitude of factors. Only the individual can determine the course that path will take. Women can better return to a place of responsibility if they are empowered to take responsibility for all of their choices and actions, including choices about their bodies. This is also hard to do when rapists and abusers are making choices to use their bodies as they see fit. That needs to be addresses first, in my opinion.
I respect that you do not want to discuss the abortion issue. I think it's important to raise the issues that surround abortion. It can't be viewed accurately if it's viewed in isolation. The sanctity of the life of the woman, the victim, the survivor is also to be valued.
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What is extreme to me is telling people roe vs wadeis going to be overturned...
that is fear mongering.
I am pro choice not sure why you fear me... must be the common sense factor
Well then you should read the new GOP Party platform that just came out that both Mitt Romeny and Paul Ryan have championed that includes federal constitutional amendment to ban abortion.
will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.
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Yah, I'm glad we're all lumped together. Me and Akin, we're just the same.
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will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.
thank you,
women of the world.
THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST THING EVER WRITEN IN THIS FORUM......
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Yeah, I'll chime in here that while I respect ms. cate, I wish that had been directed toward all idiots regardless of gender. No one has a monopoly on stupidity.
(and I appreciate many of the views expressed here by our resident men)
What is extreme to me is telling people roe vs wadeis going to be overturned...
that is fear mongering.
I am pro choice not sure why you fear me... must be the common sense factor
Well then you should read the new GOP Party platform that just came out that both Mitt Romeny and Paul Ryan have championed that includes federal constitutional amendment to ban abortion.
exactly. pandora, read yesterday's news. i was not fearmongering. i was telling you exactly what is going to happen if you elect these clowns.
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will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.
thank you,
women of the world.
I don't personally have a problem with this as it say stupid men please shut the fuck up.
I'm not stupid. Well, ok, I have to admit there have been a few times when I've acted like I'm stupid and then it's ok to to say please shut the fuck up. Like now maybe?
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The path Of healing through pain, fear and anger is a deeply personal one impacted by a multitude of factors. Only the individual can determine the course that path will take. Women can better return to a place of responsibility if they are empowered to take responsibility for all of their choices and actions, including choices about their bodies. This is also hard to do when rapists and abusers are making choices to use their bodies as they see fit. That needs to be addresses first, in my opinion.
I respect that you do not want to discuss the abortion issue. I think it's important to raise the issues that surround abortion. It can't be viewed accurately if it's viewed in isolation. The sanctity of the life of the woman, the victim, the survivor is also to be valued.
will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.
thank you,
women of the world.
THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST THING EVER WRITEN IN THIS FORUM......
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I fail to see how this is sexist. It is stupid men trying to make decisions that affect only women's health, and they do indeed need to shut the fuck up.
Also, I can't believe that male politicians are even allowed to be involved in decisions about women's health. It's fucking ridiculous.
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will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.
thank you,
women of the world.
I thought this post was simply referring to people who generally talk about the issue in the mainstream, which seem to be predominantly men?
Since men cannot be impregnated through rape, what would be a good, correlating example? You know, something that would "put us in their shoes"? I can't think of any, and until I read a compelling one, I'm going to continue to shut the fuck up and not tell women what they should do.
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Yes, I have heard about the human life amendment, it will not happen....
but stiffer restrictions could possibly. Just as stricter restrictions could happen with gun laws.
The Freedom Party could preserve the right to choose.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
This is the kind of fear that separates people, causes them to pick a party and go to extreme.
I am an Independent that will weigh the issues and it might not be abortion it might be the
economy.
Is it true Democrats including our President have supported legislation
that would not offer medical care to sustain the life of a baby
that is aborted and survives?
I will have to research this...
did guns magically disappear under this administration?
now we are reversing roe vs wade ...
fear so one votes along party lines.
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Exactly what I was thinking, only better said. If a woman can put aside HOW the child was conceived and can love and nurture that child then that choice is noble and could result in a wonderful bond between mother and child. However, what if she cannot overcome what was done to her? She'll view that child as a constant reminder of what happened to her and may relive that rape over and over. How does that benefit the child? The child will be marginalized possibly abused and victimized through no fault of his or her own. Allow the woman the choice rather than creating circumstances in which a bad situation (the rape) becomes an even worse situation (the destruction of the woman and child through a difficult and traumatic life.)
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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No, the point being missed is that GOVERNMENT elected officials of United States of America at both the State and Federal level want to institute a LAW that FORCES women to conceive children of an unwanted act of Rape, citing that the LAW states that NO Rape occurred if a child resulted.
I'll guarantee you, that no government official stepped in an told these two women that they were required by LAW to carry their pregnancy to full term or face criminal charges.
For every two people Huckabee can find as productive citizens of Rape, you could find 4 murders who were products of rapes. You could find 4 rapists who were products of a rapist. So Huckabee's analysis implying that something good can come out of Rape is bullshit unless a woman has the right of choice.
The woman who is a VICTIM of rape is also not to blame.
Really?
Because many states have already passed extreme anti-abortion laws and they're supported by the same people who are trying to pass them at the federal level.
So... well, you're wrong. It WILL happen and they often TRY to make it happen and given the chance they will MAKE it happen.
If wanting to keep it legal for women to choose to NOT be forced vessels for the fetuses of their rapists is "extreme" to you, I now understand why our country is so messed up. You make me fear for humanity.
wow what a novel concept... women having sovereignty over their own bodies.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
It would seem that in some states, men who father through rape have the same custody and visitation rights as other fathers.
Shauna Prewitt is an author, attorney, advocate, and public speaker. While a student at the University of Chicago, the course of Shauna's life changed forever. Finding herself the victim of sexual assault, Shauna soon thereafter learned that she was pregnant from her attack. After deciding to continue the pregnancy and raise her child, Shauna was shocked when her attacker sought custody of the baby girl. Trapped in her own personal hell, Shauna was even more astonished when she learned that few legal protections exist to protect the women who mother through rape. Without such laws, men who father through rape may assert the same custody rights over their rape-conceived children as other fathers enjoy.
Spurred by these events, Shauna made a commitment to do what she could to change the custody laws around the nation. In August 2006, Shauna enrolled at Georgetown Law School and began the tedious and often frustrating task of examining the custody rights of men who father through rape. Astonished to learn that only a handful of states had legal protections in place that restrict the parental rights of men who father through rape, Shauna set out to answer the question, "Why?" The results of Shauna's years-long analysis culminated in the publication of the first and only scholarly piece examining the legal protections afforded to women who mother through rape. Since its publication in March 2010, Shauna's piece has received much attention from legal scholars, state legislators, family court judges, attorneys, and advocacy groups.
http://www.xojane.com/author/shauna-prewitt
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And I'm wondering, even if a woman is able to do this, what if her partner can't? Women who are married and in committed relationships are also raped. So let's say a married woman is raped and is forced to carry the pregnancy to term. Would her husband be able to support her through this process? Would he be able to go to the prenatal visits, support her through childbirth? Would he be comfortable with the child potentially having his last name, and be able to support the child emotionally and financially? Would he be able to look at the child and see the features of his wife's rapist and not subconsciously feel anger, resentment, even rage? And if the marriage fails (because of the strain of this or some other reason) would he continue to pay child support since he had raised the child as his own? Would he be able to deal with his wife's potential trauma to this? What if she can't work due to PTSD or PPD? What if she can't care for or bond with the child? Would he be able to take all of this on? I know men do this all the time with children who were consensually conceived prior to their relationships with their wives, but I think this may be much more challenging. I am sure there are some wonderful men out there in really strong, supportive relationships that could support their wives and the child and love them; but I also think there are many that would struggle with this, that would also be traumatized by this. I think ultimately a couple should be allowed to decide what their family looks like, with the woman having ultimate decision about how her body is used.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
What is extreme to me is telling people roe vs wade is going to be overturned...
that is fear mongering.
I am pro choice not sure why you fear me... must be the common sense factor
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Humans are imperfect people, and until the time at which they become inwardly so, will continue to struggle through life in all sorts of sad and tortured ways. Some of this pain and sadness will be brought on them. Some they will bring on themselves. In every case the goal should be to overcome your travails, and not to bed led astray by fear or anger.
My initial response was only towards the comments of Huckabee as quoted and meaning-skewed by the OP article. As such, I stand behind the entirety of my response.
I do not support a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, and believe that the "pandora's box" of Roe V. Wade can only successfully be "closed" via an elevation of popular consciousness, a higher spiritual morality, and a return to personal responsibility which our globalized-culture has in large measure lost.
I won't take any further excursions in to the murky waters of the abortion debate, because it is futile and solves little.
The only solution is for men and women both to take more responsibility for their own actions, choices, and decisions. To approach all relevant decisions with a reverence for the sanctity of life. And, above all, to expend much more energy upon bettering themselves and the conditions\opportunities\and consciousness of others than they currently expend digging themselves in to "life holes" and spreading negativity and divisiveness.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
The path Of healing through pain, fear and anger is a deeply personal one impacted by a multitude of factors. Only the individual can determine the course that path will take. Women can better return to a place of responsibility if they are empowered to take responsibility for all of their choices and actions, including choices about their bodies. This is also hard to do when rapists and abusers are making choices to use their bodies as they see fit. That needs to be addresses first, in my opinion.
I respect that you do not want to discuss the abortion issue. I think it's important to raise the issues that surround abortion. It can't be viewed accurately if it's viewed in isolation. The sanctity of the life of the woman, the victim, the survivor is also to be valued.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Well then you should read the new GOP Party platform that just came out that both Mitt Romeny and Paul Ryan have championed that includes federal constitutional amendment to ban abortion.
Yep, sexism is awesome!!!!
Yah, I'm glad we're all lumped together. Me and Akin, we're just the same.
Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
(and I appreciate many of the views expressed here by our resident men)
(plus, I'm a sucker for big brains
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't personally have a problem with this as it say stupid men please shut the fuck up.
I'm not stupid. Well, ok, I have to admit there have been a few times when I've acted like I'm stupid and then it's ok to to say please shut the fuck up. Like now maybe?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I stared for about 10 seconds before I got it. :roll:
Anyways...
Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
10 out of 10 on the Woot Scale!
Also, I can't believe that male politicians are even allowed to be involved in decisions about women's health. It's fucking ridiculous.
will you please just shut the fuck up.. for all our sakes.
thank you,
women of the world.
I thought this post was simply referring to people who generally talk about the issue in the mainstream, which seem to be predominantly men?
Since men cannot be impregnated through rape, what would be a good, correlating example? You know, something that would "put us in their shoes"? I can't think of any, and until I read a compelling one, I'm going to continue to shut the fuck up and not tell women what they should do.