Jewish Settler Attacks = Terrorism

catefrances

usamamasan1 wrote:

Oh Cate. If you only knew how extreme Obama is to the USA

if only americans were better educated and not so fearful.

usamamasan1

Obama's policies are leading to the nation's financial, cultural, and national security ruin.
Not fearful Cate. It's ok, we will figure it out and our Comeback Team is in place.

Cheers

catefrances

usamamasan1 wrote:

Obama's policies are leading to the nation's financial, cultural, and national security ruin.
Not fearful Cate. It's ok, we will figure it out and our Comeback Team is in place.

Cheers

i think hollywood took care of your cultural ruin years ago.

Byrnzie

http://www.btselem.org/settlements/international_law

The establishment of settlements in the West Bank violates international humanitarian law which establishes principles that apply during war and occupation. Moreover, the settlements lead to the infringement of international human rights law.

The Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits an occupying power from transferring citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit an occupying power from undertaking permanent changes in the occupied area unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.

The establishment of settlements results in the violation of the rights of Palestinians as enshrined in international human rights law. Among other violations, the settlements infringe the right to self-determination, equality, property, an adequate standard of living, and freedom of movement.


Though I understand why some people would regard those who recognize the tenets of international law as extremists, whilst at the same time supporting racists engaged in ethnic cleansing.

No doubt the European Jewish resistance groups during WWII who fought the Nazis were also extremists, right?

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

http://www.btselem.org/settlements/international_law
The establishment of settlements in the West Bank violates international humanitarian law which establishes principles that apply during war and occupation. Moreover, the settlements lead to the infringement of international human rights law.

The Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits an occupying power from transferring citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit an occupying power from undertaking permanent changes in the occupied area unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.

The establishment of settlements results in the violation of the rights of Palestinians as enshrined in international human rights law. Among other violations, the settlements infringe the right to self-determination, equality, property, an adequate standard of living, and freedom of movement.


Though I understand why some people would regard those who recognize the tenets of international law as extremists, whilst at the same time supporting racists, engaged in ethnic cleansing.

No doubt the European Jewish resistance groups during WWII who fought the Nazis were also extremists, right?

depends on what side youe looking from steve.

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

Let's pray that the extremist doesn't win again in the U S

Do you support attacks by Illegal Jewish settlers upon Palestinian civilians - including racist abuse, spitting, stone throwing, beatings, stabbings, shootings, and the destruction of property? Do you support the daily assaults upon Palestinian schoolchildren - boys and girls - attempting to walk to school?

Are those who oppose such actions 'extremists' in your opinion?


Don't worry, I don't actually expect any answer from you. I expect you'll just post a quote from Mitt Romney, or Benjamin Netanyahu, or a silly photo.

usamamasan1

Why so extreme? Its ok. You know I don't support terrorists if you have been paying a lick of attention

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

You know I don't support terrorists if you have been paying a lick of attention

So you don't support Israeli terrorists?

:corn:

Byrnzie

:corn:

Godfather.

VivaPalestina thank you for your reply ! it good to hear first hand info,from this point on I will not comment about middle eastern politics,it's plain to see I don't know to much about them and the media is not helping me much here.

Thank you.
Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

sad...

Alleged hate crime in Israel part of troubling trend

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-generation ... 00264.html

An alleged hate crime against Palestinians in West Jerusalem this week, which left one young man unconscious and in the hospital, underscores a troubling reality: that Israeli teens are more militantly anti-Arab than their parents and increasingly more prone to rejecting democratic values.

In recent years, the trend has become apparent in survey after survey, including those conducted by think tanks and commercial pollsters. It’s also borne out anecdotally in both Israel and the West Bank, where attacks by Israeli youngsters against Palestinians appear to be on the rise.

In the latest incident, at least five teens are suspected of punching and kicking a Palestinian nearly to death over the weekend at a crowded public square in Jerusalem, as dozens of other youngsters looked on. The Palestinian, 17-year-old Jamal Julani, collapsed and stopped breathing at one point, but was resuscitated and is now in stable condition.

A police spokesman said the five suspects—three boys and two girls, ages 13 to 19—were in custody and being questioned. “For my part, he can die,” one of the suspects, a 15-year-old, told reporters outside of the courtroom, in reference to Julani. “He’s an Arab.”

The attack was unusual in its brazenness. According to the police spokesman, the teens allegedly roved Jerusalem’s downtown area chanting anti-Arab slogans and looking for victims before setting on Julani and several of his friends. Other violence against Palestinians in recent years has been more clandestine, including mosque burnings and roadside ambushes.

While Israelis across the political spectrum have criticized the attacks, analysts pointed to a rising intolerance of Arabs among youths that appears to have kindled anti-Arab violence.

“It’s definitely a trend,” says Roby Nathanson, an Israeli economist who studies political attitudes among young Israelis.

The institute Nathanson runs, the Macro Center for Political Economics, has conducted three comprehensive surveys since 1998 that show a steady hardening of views.

In the latest study, published last year, 28 percent of Jewish Israelis ages 15 to 18 said the word “hatred” best expressed their feelings toward Arabs. Seventy-two percent said they definitely would not want Arab citizens of Israel living in their neighborhood, and 77 percent said they would be unwilling to invite an Arab to their homes.

Seventy percent opposed the idea of a Palestinian state if it entailed significant Israeli concessions.

The institute’s questions in previous surveys were not identical, but Nathanson they said they were close enough to highlight the shift. In the 1998 study, for example, 92 percent of those polled said it was important for Israel to live at peace with its neighbors.

The more recent study also showed that 57 percent of Israeli teens identified their political leaning as right or moderately right compared with just 13 percent who said it was left or moderately left. When asked whether a few “strong leaders could fix the situation in the country better than all the laws and public discussions,” 60 percent said they either agreed or strongly agreed.

In almost all their responses, the positions articulated by Israeli teens were more hardline than those of their elders.

“What we see is a sharp decline in the youngsters’ acceptance of the Arab minority,” Nathanson told The Daily Beast. “They are intolerant and not willing to accept the fact that Arabs are equal citizens.”

Arab citizens of Israel number about 1.6 million, or some 20 percent of the country’s population. Israel’s Declaration of Independence guarantees them equal rights, though Israeli-Arabs often complain of institutional or social discrimination.

Another 4.2 million Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza, under severely restrictive Israeli military rule.

Julani, the victim of the alleged hate crime and a resident of East Jerusalem, represents a third category: Palestinians with residency rights in Israel but usually without citizenship.

Nathanson explained the radicalization of Israeli teens as largely the result of a second Palestinian uprising between 2000 and 2005—a time when bus bombings and suicide attacks at restaurants and cafés were a common occurrence.

The Palestinian attacks have largely subsided since Israel erected a barrier around most of the West Bank.

Other analysts attributed it to the education system, which they said had changed over the past decade under successive right-wing governments.

“I believe that the school system in recent years is lacking very much themes that are related to tolerance, human rights, liberal democracy,” said Daniel Bar-Tal, a professor of political psychology at Tel Aviv University.

“In Europe, there’s a very coordinated and systematic attempt to impart values that we would call humanistic, moral, democratic, in line with human rights. Israel is really behind,” he said.

Dahlia Scheindlin, a public-opinion analyst and columnist for the left-wing online magazine 972, said the political views among teens can also be explained in terms of Israeli demographic trends in which Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Jews—populations that traditionally lean right politically—have the highest birthrates in the country.

“It’s a straight curve from secular to religious—the more religious you get, the more hardline you tend to be,” she said.

Earlier this month, the U.S. State Department designated settler assaults on Palestinians as terrorist attacks for the first time, including them in its list of “terrorist incidents” around the world.

Byrnzie

Byrnzie wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

You know I don't support terrorists if you have been paying a lick of attention

So you don't support Israeli terrorists?

:corn:

:corn:

Byrnzie

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

In the latest incident, at least five teens are suspected of punching and kicking a Palestinian nearly to death over the weekend at a crowded public square in Jerusalem, as dozens of other youngsters looked on. The Palestinian, 17-year-old Jamal Julani, collapsed and stopped breathing at one point, but was resuscitated and is now in stable condition.

A police spokesman said the five suspects—three boys and two girls, ages 13 to 19—were in custody and being questioned. “For my part, he can die,” one of the suspects, a 15-year-old, told reporters outside of the courtroom, in reference to Julani. “He’s an Arab.”

Usamamasan1, do you support this attack on a Palestinian, and others like it?

Your response to the news that Jewish Settler attacks have been classed as acts of terrorism by the U.S was to label Obama an extremist.

Therefore I take it that you support Jewish acts of terrorism, including the above incident? Yes, or no?

Byrnzie

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/au ... n-children

Former Israeli soldiers disclose routine mistreatment of Palestinian children

Booklet of testimonies of former Israeli soldiers describes beatings, intimidation and humiliation of children


Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 26 August 2012


More than 30 former Israeli soldiers have disclosed their experiences of the treatment of Palestinian children during military operations and arrests, pointing to a pattern of abuse.

A booklet of testimonies, published by Breaking the Silence, an organisation of former Israeli soldiers dedicated to publicising the day-to-day actions of the army in the occupied territories, contains descriptions of beatings, intimidation, humiliation, verbal abuse, night-time arrests and injury. Most of the children are suspected of stone-throwing.

The witness statements were gathered to show the "common reality" of acts of violence by soldiers towards Palestinians, including children, in the West Bank, said Yehuda Shaul of Breaking the Silence. "Sadly enough this is the moral consequence of prolonged occupation of the Palestinian people," he said.

One of the ex-soldiers describes serving in Hebron in 2010: "You never know their names, you never talk with them, they always cry, shit in their pants … There are those annoying moments when you're on an arrest mission, and there's no room in the police station, so you just take the kid back with you, blindfold him, put him in a room and wait for the police to come and pick him up in the morning. He sits there like a dog …"

Children frequently soiled themselves, according to the testimonies. "I remember hearing him shitting his pants … I also remember some other time when someone pissed in his pants. I just became so indifferent to it, I couldn't care less. I heard him do it, I witnessed his embarrassment. I also smelled it. But I didn't care," said another.

Another soldier describes an incident in Qalqiliya in 2007 in which a boy was arrested for throwing stones. "At the end of the day, something has to make these kids stop throwing stones on the road because they can kill," he said.

"That specific kid who actually lay there on the ground, begging for his life, was actually nine years old. I think of our kids, nine years old, and a kid handling this kind of situation, I mean, a kid has to beg for his life? A loaded gun is pointed at him and he has to plead for mercy? This is something that scars him for life. But I think if we hadn't entered the village at that point, then stones would be thrown the next day and perhaps the next time someone would be wounded or killed as a result."

Some of the statements illustrate the disjunction between the Israeli military and Palestinians. One soldier said: "You put up a checkpoint out of boredom, sit there for a few hours and then continue on. Once I saw kids passing, and one of the guys, a reservist who spoke Arabic, wanted to ask them what they study. He didn't mean it in any bad way. Then I saw how the kid nearly peed his pants as the guy tried to kid with him, how the two worlds are simply disconnected. The guy was kidding and the kid was scared to death."

Most of the soldiers have given testimonies anonymously. One, who spoke to the Guardian, said that he had been given no guidance during his training for military service on how to deal with minors. He said children were sometimes arrested and interrogated, not because they were suspected of an offence, but to try to elicit information about older family members or neighbours.

He had given a witness statement to Breaking the Silence because: "I thought that people who don't see this on an everyday basis should know what's going on." He said many Israelis were unwilling to acknowledge the reality of the military occupation in the West Bank. "It's very easy [for the Israeli public] to be completely detached. It's a hard thing to handle – stuff like that being done in your name."

According to Gerard Horton, of Defence for Children International – Palestine (DCI), the testimonies reflect and confirm a pattern of behaviour uncovered by his organisation's extensive research into the treatment of Palestinian children by the Israeli security forces.

DCI and other human rights organisations say Palestinian children are routinely arrested at night, handcuffed, blindfolded, mistreated and denied access to their parents or a lawyer.

"For years credible reports of human rights abuses against children living under Israeli military occupation have emerged," he said. "These latest testimonies from young soldiers given the task of enforcing the occupation provide further evidence of its deeply corrosive effects on all. The testimonies lay bare the day-to-day reality of the occupation. These are not isolated incidents or a question of 'a few bad apples'. This is the natural and foreseeable consequence of government policy."

A spokesman for the Israeli Defence Forces said that Breaking the Silence had declined to provide the IDF with testimonies ahead of publication so they could be verified and investigated.

Its true intention was "to generate negative publicity regarding the IDF and its soldiers. The IDF has in the past, and continues to, call upon the organisation to immediately convey complaints or suspicions of improper conduct to the relevant authorities. In line with the IDF's ethical commitments, any such incidents will be thoroughly investigated."

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

In the latest incident, at least five teens are suspected of punching and kicking a Palestinian nearly to death over the weekend at a crowded public square in Jerusalem, as dozens of other youngsters looked on. The Palestinian, 17-year-old Jamal Julani, collapsed and stopped breathing at one point, but was resuscitated and is now in stable condition.

A police spokesman said the five suspects—three boys and two girls, ages 13 to 19—were in custody and being questioned. “For my part, he can die,” one of the suspects, a 15-year-old, told reporters outside of the courtroom, in reference to Julani. “He’s an Arab.”

Usamamasan1, do you support this attack on a Palestinian, and others like it?

Your response to the news that Jewish Settler attacks have been classed as acts of terrorism by the U.S was to label Obama an extremist.

Therefore I take it that you support Jewish acts of terrorism, including the above incident? Yes, or no?

:corn:

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/26/israeli-soldiers-mistreatment-palestinian-children

Former Israeli soldiers disclose routine mistreatment of Palestinian children

Booklet of testimonies of former Israeli soldiers describes beatings, intimidation and humiliation of children


Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 26 August 2012


More than 30 former Israeli soldiers have disclosed their experiences of the treatment of Palestinian children during military operations and arrests, pointing to a pattern of abuse.

A booklet of testimonies, published by Breaking the Silence, an organisation of former Israeli soldiers dedicated to publicising the day-to-day actions of the army in the occupied territories, contains descriptions of beatings, intimidation, humiliation, verbal abuse, night-time arrests and injury. Most of the children are suspected of stone-throwing.

The witness statements were gathered to show the "common reality" of acts of violence by soldiers towards Palestinians, including children, in the West Bank, said Yehuda Shaul of Breaking the Silence. "Sadly enough this is the moral consequence of prolonged occupation of the Palestinian people," he said.

One of the ex-soldiers describes serving in Hebron in 2010: "You never know their names, you never talk with them, they always cry, shit in their pants … There are those annoying moments when you're on an arrest mission, and there's no room in the police station, so you just take the kid back with you, blindfold him, put him in a room and wait for the police to come and pick him up in the morning. He sits there like a dog …"

Children frequently soiled themselves, according to the testimonies. "I remember hearing him shitting his pants … I also remember some other time when someone pissed in his pants. I just became so indifferent to it, I couldn't care less. I heard him do it, I witnessed his embarrassment. I also smelled it. But I didn't care," said another.

Another soldier describes an incident in Qalqiliya in 2007 in which a boy was arrested for throwing stones. "At the end of the day, something has to make these kids stop throwing stones on the road because they can kill," he said.

"That specific kid who actually lay there on the ground, begging for his life, was actually nine years old. I think of our kids, nine years old, and a kid handling this kind of situation, I mean, a kid has to beg for his life? A loaded gun is pointed at him and he has to plead for mercy? This is something that scars him for life. But I think if we hadn't entered the village at that point, then stones would be thrown the next day and perhaps the next time someone would be wounded or killed as a result."

Some of the statements illustrate the disjunction between the Israeli military and Palestinians. One soldier said: "You put up a checkpoint out of boredom, sit there for a few hours and then continue on. Once I saw kids passing, and one of the guys, a reservist who spoke Arabic, wanted to ask them what they study. He didn't mean it in any bad way. Then I saw how the kid nearly peed his pants as the guy tried to kid with him, how the two worlds are simply disconnected. The guy was kidding and the kid was scared to death."

Most of the soldiers have given testimonies anonymously. One, who spoke to the Guardian, said that he had been given no guidance during his training for military service on how to deal with minors. He said children were sometimes arrested and interrogated, not because they were suspected of an offence, but to try to elicit information about older family members or neighbours.

He had given a witness statement to Breaking the Silence because: "I thought that people who don't see this on an everyday basis should know what's going on." He said many Israelis were unwilling to acknowledge the reality of the military occupation in the West Bank. "It's very easy [for the Israeli public] to be completely detached. It's a hard thing to handle – stuff like that being done in your name."

According to Gerard Horton, of Defence for Children International – Palestine (DCI), the testimonies reflect and confirm a pattern of behaviour uncovered by his organisation's extensive research into the treatment of Palestinian children by the Israeli security forces.

DCI and other human rights organisations say Palestinian children are routinely arrested at night, handcuffed, blindfolded, mistreated and denied access to their parents or a lawyer.

"For years credible reports of human rights abuses against children living under Israeli military occupation have emerged," he said. "These latest testimonies from young soldiers given the task of enforcing the occupation provide further evidence of its deeply corrosive effects on all. The testimonies lay bare the day-to-day reality of the occupation. These are not isolated incidents or a question of 'a few bad apples'. This is the natural and foreseeable consequence of government policy."

A spokesman for the Israeli Defence Forces said that Breaking the Silence had declined to provide the IDF with testimonies ahead of publication so they could be verified and investigated.

Its true intention was "to generate negative publicity regarding the IDF and its soldiers. The IDF has in the past, and continues to, call upon the organisation to immediately convey complaints or suspicions of improper conduct to the relevant authorities. In line with the IDF's ethical commitments, any such incidents will be thoroughly investigated."

:evil:

badbrains

Byrnzie wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/26/israeli-soldiers-mistreatment-palestinian-children

Former Israeli soldiers disclose routine mistreatment of Palestinian children

Booklet of testimonies of former Israeli soldiers describes beatings, intimidation and humiliation of children


Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 26 August 2012


More than 30 former Israeli soldiers have disclosed their experiences of the treatment of Palestinian children during military operations and arrests, pointing to a pattern of abuse.

A booklet of testimonies, published by Breaking the Silence, an organisation of former Israeli soldiers dedicated to publicising the day-to-day actions of the army in the occupied territories, contains descriptions of beatings, intimidation, humiliation, verbal abuse, night-time arrests and injury. Most of the children are suspected of stone-throwing.

The witness statements were gathered to show the "common reality" of acts of violence by soldiers towards Palestinians, including children, in the West Bank, said Yehuda Shaul of Breaking the Silence. "Sadly enough this is the moral consequence of prolonged occupation of the Palestinian people," he said.

One of the ex-soldiers describes serving in Hebron in 2010: "You never know their names, you never talk with them, they always cry, shit in their pants … There are those annoying moments when you're on an arrest mission, and there's no room in the police station, so you just take the kid back with you, blindfold him, put him in a room and wait for the police to come and pick him up in the morning. He sits there like a dog …"

Children frequently soiled themselves, according to the testimonies. "I remember hearing him shitting his pants … I also remember some other time when someone pissed in his pants. I just became so indifferent to it, I couldn't care less. I heard him do it, I witnessed his embarrassment. I also smelled it. But I didn't care," said another.

Another soldier describes an incident in Qalqiliya in 2007 in which a boy was arrested for throwing stones. "At the end of the day, something has to make these kids stop throwing stones on the road because they can kill," he said.

"That specific kid who actually lay there on the ground, begging for his life, was actually nine years old. I think of our kids, nine years old, and a kid handling this kind of situation, I mean, a kid has to beg for his life? A loaded gun is pointed at him and he has to plead for mercy? This is something that scars him for life. But I think if we hadn't entered the village at that point, then stones would be thrown the next day and perhaps the next time someone would be wounded or killed as a result."

Some of the statements illustrate the disjunction between the Israeli military and Palestinians. One soldier said: "You put up a checkpoint out of boredom, sit there for a few hours and then continue on. Once I saw kids passing, and one of the guys, a reservist who spoke Arabic, wanted to ask them what they study. He didn't mean it in any bad way. Then I saw how the kid nearly peed his pants as the guy tried to kid with him, how the two worlds are simply disconnected. The guy was kidding and the kid was scared to death."

Most of the soldiers have given testimonies anonymously. One, who spoke to the Guardian, said that he had been given no guidance during his training for military service on how to deal with minors. He said children were sometimes arrested and interrogated, not because they were suspected of an offence, but to try to elicit information about older family members or neighbours.

He had given a witness statement to Breaking the Silence because: "I thought that people who don't see this on an everyday basis should know what's going on." He said many Israelis were unwilling to acknowledge the reality of the military occupation in the West Bank. "It's very easy [for the Israeli public] to be completely detached. It's a hard thing to handle – stuff like that being done in your name."

According to Gerard Horton, of Defence for Children International – Palestine (DCI), the testimonies reflect and confirm a pattern of behaviour uncovered by his organisation's extensive research into the treatment of Palestinian children by the Israeli security forces.

DCI and other human rights organisations say Palestinian children are routinely arrested at night, handcuffed, blindfolded, mistreated and denied access to their parents or a lawyer.

"For years credible reports of human rights abuses against children living under Israeli military occupation have emerged," he said. "These latest testimonies from young soldiers given the task of enforcing the occupation provide further evidence of its deeply corrosive effects on all. The testimonies lay bare the day-to-day reality of the occupation. These are not isolated incidents or a question of 'a few bad apples'. This is the natural and foreseeable consequence of government policy."

A spokesman for the Israeli Defence Forces said that Breaking the Silence had declined to provide the IDF with testimonies ahead of publication so they could be verified and investigated.

Its true intention was "to generate negative publicity regarding the IDF and its soldiers. The IDF has in the past, and continues to, call upon the organisation to immediately convey complaints or suspicions of improper conduct to the relevant authorities. In line with the IDF's ethical commitments, any such incidents will be thoroughly investigated."

I'm SOOOOO proud to call Israel our ally....... :roll: :oops: :evil: :nono:

VivaPalestina

Godfather. wrote:

VivaPalestina thank you for your reply ! it good to hear first hand info,from this point on I will not comment about middle eastern politics,it's plain to see I don't know to much about them and the media is not helping me much here.

Thank you.
Godfather.

I am glad you commented, that allowed me to share what I have learned. I think the Moving Train, when done right, allows us to learn from each other. Your posts have informed me and in the future I look forward to more exchanges. I know you are a good person, and a lot of Americans are good people, but the US media for various reasons have made it pretty hard for the general public to know the past and present realities of the Palestinian situation. A few have been misinformed, and the first reaction is to shut me and other Palestinians out of the conversation/narrative. So when people just listen to what we have to say about our experiences, and not necessarily "take a side" it is a nice surprise. Thanks for being open and listening

VivaPalestina

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

Godfather,
But there hasn’t, in all honesty and I have heard from elders, both Jewish and Palestinians who lived in Palestine before the state of Israel was created in 1948 and conflict never entered any of the stories I heard. A Jewish man in his 80s about 15 years ago, was proud to tell me how he and his Palestinians neighbors tried to help each other out under the British Mandate. And the stories I have heard from Palestinians who lived in Palestine before 1948, was just about how they lived as farmers, how they struggled with that and just about when they are about to reap the fruits of their labor so to speak, the state of Israel was created. Those were firsthand accounts.

The problem, I promise you, is a relatively new one with the creation of Zionism at the turn of the century. Conflict began after Palestinians got wind of what was about to befall them: that a lot of these newly arrived Jews were there to make aliyah, ie, to “settle” and take a land for themselves that was already settled by the Palestinians for centuries. Before Zionism there was never a push by Jews worldwide to go Palestine. They never sought to usurp another’s land. There never was a state of Israel before 1948.

so how do we go about trying to fix it? there is a zionist government in power in israel, and the us policy is to support that government. there was talk that the netanyahu government was going to be dissolved, but what would it have been replaced with? it is a shame because like in the us, the moderates get crushed by the extremists...

I think the only way forward is for the Israelis is to see us and treat us as their equals and become a true democracy, a state for all of its citizens. The Netanyahu government is a hawkish government, and I don’t see anyone better replacing him. I really don’t think any Israeli government would ever end the occupation or its Apartheid policies.Maybe the only way out for the Palestinians is a non-violent uprising.

gimmesometruth27

VivaPalestina wrote:

I think the only way forward is for the Israelis is to see us and treat us as their equals and become a true democracy, a state for all of its citizens. The Netanyahu government is a hawkish government, and I don’t see anyone better replacing him. I really don’t think any Israeli government would ever end the occupation or its Apartheid policies.Maybe the only way out for the Palestinians is a non-violent uprising.

they will not end the occupation. even in the face of international pressure from all but the US and a few other countries, they will not stop the occupation. the only thing that will get the occupation to stop in my eyes is if there is multilateral sanctions put on israel, or even a multilateral military action. military action would be an insane decision, but sometimes the only way to deal with a bully is to punch him in the face and apply a rear naked choke...