You are defining the terms so that they allow you to reach the goal you want to get to. The settlements are not at all integral to Zionism. You simply assert as much because it suits you to believe that. And again, my claims in this thread have never been that criticism of Israel as such is antisemitic. I'm not at all haphazard with these terms, much as you'd like to believe that I am. When I say that some of your comments are antisemitic it has nothing to do with the fact that you criticize Israel. It is simply because I believe it to be true, not based off of my dislike of your politics, but because you say things that fit the definition of the term.
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When I say that some of your comments are antisemitic it has nothing to do with the fact that you criticize Israel. It is simply because I believe it to be true
Thanks again for proving my point that your claims are absurd:
Well, for one, the definition says, and I quote, "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor." Did you not say that?
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Or there's, and I quote again from the EU definition, "Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group."
Which you do all the time. That's certainly what that MN quote you've posted over and over again does.
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"Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis." We both know that you've done this before.
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"Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations." This one too.
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"Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions." Definitely do some of this on a regular basis.
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"Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust)." I seem to remember you defending "scholarship" into the factual accuracy of the Holocaust around when Iran hosted their Holocaust denial conference. So there's that too.
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Well, for one, the definition says, and I quote, "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor." Did you not say that?
No, I didn't. I said that a state run by, and for Jews - a Jewish state - is a racist endeavour.
Or there's, and I quote again from the EU definition, "Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group."
Which you do all the time. That's certainly what that MN quote you've posted over and over again does.
Do the majority of Jews support Israel? Yes. Do the majority of Jews support Israel even when it commits barbarous crimes against the Palestinians? Yes.
"Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel." Yeah, you seem to do a lot of that too.
'...Do we want to say it is antisemitic to accuse, not just the Israelis, but Jews generally of complicity in these crimes against humanity? Again, maybe not, because there is a quite reasonable case for such assertions. Compare them, for example, to the claim that Germans generally were complicit in such crimes. This never meant that every last German, man, woman, idiot and child, were guilty. It meant that most Germans were. Their guilt, of course, did not consist in shoving naked prisoners into gas chambers. It consisted in support for the people who planned such acts, or–as many overwrought, moralistic Jewish texts will tell you–for denying the horror unfolding around them, for failing to speak out and resist, for passive consent. Note that the extreme danger of any kind of active resistance is not supposed to be an excuse here.
Well, virtually no Jew is in any kind of danger from speaking out. And speaking out is the only sort of resistance required. If many Jews spoke out, it would have an enormous effect. But the overwhelming majority of Jews do not, and in the vast majority of cases, this is because they support Israel. Now perhaps the whole notion of collective responsibility should be discarded; perhaps some clever person will convince us that we have to do this. But at present, the case for Jewish complicity seems much stronger than the case for German complicity. So if it is not racist, and reasonable, to say that the Germans were complicit in crimes against humanity, then it is not racist, and reasonable, to say the same of the Jews. And should the notion of collective responsibility be discarded, it would still be reasonable to say that many, perhaps most adult Jewish individuals support a state that commits war crimes, because that’s just true. So if saying these things is antisemitic, than it can be reasonable to be antisemitic.'
Nothing racist about that at all. And just because you say it is, doesn't make it so.
Or there's "Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis." You definitely do that a lot.
A lot of Jewish policy can be compared to that of the Nazis, and for good reason: Because a lot of the policies have been borrowed directly from the Nazis.
And it's not anti-Semitic to point that out because it's a fact.
Then again, the term anti-Semitism as you, and other Israel apologists, apply it, has become almost completely meaningless, and so can be applied to practically anything, or anyone, including those who tell the truth.
"Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis." We both know that you've done this before.
Again, bullshit. I've done nothing of the sort. But feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.
This is just further proof of your desperate attempts to deflect from the much more serious issue of Israel's crimes.
And even if anything that I've posted can be made to fall under any of the so-called 'examples' you've listed, so what? The term, as you choose to apply it, has been made completely redundant.
"Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust)." I seem to remember you defending "scholarship" into the factual accuracy of the Holocaust around when Iran hosted their Holocaust denial conference. So there's that too.
There really are no depths to which you won't sink, are there?
How dare you accuse me of racism and holocaust denial. You should be fucking banned from this forum.
Your wide-reaching dragnet use of the term 'anti-Semitic' has actually rendered the term almost completely redundant.
Well done!
Regardless, if you think this excuses and justifies Israel's illegal occupation, and it's countless war crimes against the Palestinian people, then you're sorely mistaken.
And you're also sorely mistaken if you think that your filthy, self-serving accusations of racism are gonna stop me from speaking out about these crimes, either here on this forum, or elsewhere.
Here's a question for you Yosi: Do you think anti-Semitism is a special kind of racism? Do you believe that racism against Jews deserves special attention, above and beyond racism towards any other ethnic group?
What do you think about racism towards Arabs? Do you think that anti-Arab racism deserves as much attention as racism towards Jews? And if so then why have you paid it zero attention? Conversely, why have you done everything in your power to deflect attention from Jewish racism towards Arabs, including attacks by settlers which have been described as acts of terrorism?
Though I don't expect any answer from you, because in your huge arrogance you seem to think that you can only respond to my questions when they suit you.
By the way, do the posting guidelines not apply here anymore? This thread is titled 'Settler Attacks = Terrorism', and yet for 15 pages Yosi's been derailing it by making personal cornments and accusing me of being a racist. He's also called me a bigot and accused me of supporting holocaust denial.
Is this shit acceptable now? Do the posting guidelines no longer apply?
What would GF do if he had a friend and or co-worker who he liked and then found out the person was a gay Muslim? ?!!
Now that would be some made for tv shit right there! I just hope if ever made, the religious yahoos in my religion dnt go ape shit because of the plot! I'd def love to see a show like that.
Here's a question for you Yosi: Do you think anti-Semitism is a special kind of racism? Do you believe that racism against Jews deserves special attention, above and beyond racism towards any other ethnic group?
What do you think about racism towards Arabs? Do you think that anti-Arab racism deserves as much attention as racism towards Jews? And if so then why have you paid it zero attention? Conversely, why have you done everything in your power to deflect attention from Jewish racism towards Arabs, including attacks by settlers which have been described as acts of terrorism?
Though I don't expect any answer from you, because in your huge arrogance you seem to think that you can only respond to my questions when they suit you.
I don't think it's special. I am more acutely aware of it because it is directed at me, but I don't think it is somehow worse than other forms of racism. That includes racism towards Arabs. Which is precisely why I have never tried to excuse such anti-Arab racism. Quite to the contrary, I've labeled settler violence against Palestinians terrorism multiple times on this very thread. And yet, somehow in your mind that is me trying to defend the settlers. You are literally accusing me of saying the exact opposite of what I've explicitly already said. That's why I don't like answering your questions, because it doesn't matter what I say, you'll simply convince yourself that I've said what you want me to have said.
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By the way, do the posting guidelines not apply here anymore? This thread is titled 'Settler Attacks = Terrorism', and yet for 15 pages Yosi's been derailing it by making personal cornments and accusing me of being a racist. He's also called me a bigot and accused me of supporting holocaust denial.
Is this shit acceptable now? Do the posting guidelines no longer apply?
Right back at you. It's not like this is a one way street at this point. You know, because according to you I'm an apologist for war crimes, I've been sent by the Israeli government to post propaganda on this site, I'm slippery, oily, a weasel and a racist. So please don't be so self-righteous about the name calling.
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This is just further proof of your desperate attempts to deflect from the much more serious issue of Israel's crimes.
And even if anything that I've posted can be made to fall under any of the so-called 'examples' you've listed, so what? The term, as you choose to apply it, has been made completely redundant.
All of those examples are drawn from the E.U. definition of the term. I didn't just make them up. And amazingly you don't even deny that you've engaged in them. Instead you try to justify yourself. So please, explain this to me. The European Union has a group responsible for monitoring racism. They develop a definition for antisemitism. You repeatedly make comments that clearly and repeatedly fall into the examples given by the monitoring group of the types of statements that are antisemitic. And yet, somehow, it's absurd for anyone to think that your comments are antisemitic. How does that work?
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Did you not say that?
Which you do all the time. That's certainly what that MN quote you've posted over and over again does.
You definitely do that a lot.
We both know that you've done this before.
This one too.
Definitely do some of this on a regular basis.
I seem to remember you defending "scholarship" into the factual accuracy of the Holocaust around when Iran hosted their Holocaust denial conference. So there's that too.
That's not anti-Semitic. That's just a fact.
Well, virtually no Jew is in any kind of danger from speaking out. And speaking out is the only sort of resistance required. If many Jews spoke out, it would have an enormous effect. But the overwhelming majority of Jews do not, and in the vast majority of cases, this is because they support Israel. Now perhaps the whole notion of collective responsibility should be discarded; perhaps some clever person will convince us that we have to do this. But at present, the case for Jewish complicity seems much stronger than the case for German complicity. So if it is not racist, and reasonable, to say that the Germans were complicit in crimes against humanity, then it is not racist, and reasonable, to say the same of the Jews. And should the notion of collective responsibility be discarded, it would still be reasonable to say that many, perhaps most adult Jewish individuals support a state that commits war crimes, because that’s just true. So if saying these things is antisemitic, than it can be reasonable to be antisemitic.'
Nothing racist about that at all. And just because you say it is, doesn't make it so.
And it's not anti-Semitic to point that out because it's a fact.
Then again, the term anti-Semitism as you, and other Israel apologists, apply it, has become almost completely meaningless, and so can be applied to practically anything, or anyone, including those who tell the truth.
And even if anything that I've posted can be made to fall under any of the so-called 'examples' you've listed, so what? The term, as you choose to apply it, has been made completely redundant.
How dare you accuse me of racism and holocaust denial. You should be fucking banned from this forum.
Well done!
Regardless, if you think this excuses and justifies Israel's illegal occupation, and it's countless war crimes against the Palestinian people, then you're sorely mistaken.
And you're also sorely mistaken if you think that your filthy, self-serving accusations of racism are gonna stop me from speaking out about these crimes, either here on this forum, or elsewhere.
What do you think about racism towards Arabs? Do you think that anti-Arab racism deserves as much attention as racism towards Jews? And if so then why have you paid it zero attention? Conversely, why have you done everything in your power to deflect attention from Jewish racism towards Arabs, including attacks by settlers which have been described as acts of terrorism?
Though I don't expect any answer from you, because in your huge arrogance you seem to think that you can only respond to my questions when they suit you.
This thread is titled 'Settler Attacks = Terrorism', and yet for 15 pages Yosi's been derailing it by making personal cornments and accusing me of being a racist.
He's also called me a bigot and accused me of supporting holocaust denial.
Is this shit acceptable now?
Do the posting guidelines no longer apply?