Your desperation is truly pathetic Yosi. Instead of simply labeling the author of that article an anti-Semite and hoping it will stick, why don't you pick some actual quotations from it and then explain to us how they're false and/or anti-Semitic? I.e, did the Zionists not collaborate with the Nazis to some degree during WWII? This is not the first time I've heard it. Did they or didn't they?
Either way, I can't see any clear evidence of anti-Semitism in that article. Not that that would be of any interest to you of course. Just the fact that he criticizes Israel makes him an anti-Semite, right?
Here's what some notable people had to say about his 2011 book 'The Wandering Who? A Study of Jewish Identity Politics':
'John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago wrote that "Gilad Atzmon has written a fascinating and provocative book on Jewish identity in the modern world" and that the book "should be widely read by Jews and non-Jews alike." Richard Falk wrote it was "absorbing and moving" book that everyone who "care[s] about real peace" should "not only read, but reflect upon and discuss widely." James Petras wrote that the book is "a series of brilliant illuminations and critical reflections on Jewish ethnocentrism and the hypocrisy of those who speak in the name of universal values and act tribal" which "uncovers the links between Jewish identity politics in the Diaspora with their ardent support for the oppressive policies of the Israeli state." He also wrote that Atzmon “has the courage to...speak truth to the power of highly placed and affluent Zionists who shape the agendas of war and peace in the English-speaking world."
Yep, sounds like Goebbels himself.
So this isn't you attempting to defend Gilad Atzmon? Funny, I thought it was.
Of course you did. I read the article you posted in your lame attempt to label Counterpunch an anti-Semitic website. The article contains no evidence of anti-Semitism that I can determine at all, and your refusal to point it out to me is just more evidence of that. I then did a quick search of him on Wiki and found that passage. If he is indeed the racist hatemonger that you allege then I'm surprised that he's been praised by so many people of distinction. But you say he's a racist, and so he must be. And because some others have said the same thing, then he must be. Though I'm still waiting to hear how Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website for posting that article. I suppose I'll be waiting for as long as it takes you to answer my question re: Michael Neumann, and your pathetic attempt at discrediting him.
Seriously Yosi, take your lame accusations of anti-Semitism, your desperate attempts to defend Israel's racism and oppression of an entire people, and your slippery lawyers-tactics and outright lies, and try spinning this bullshit on somebody more gullible instead.
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about how you are getting your opinions from a conspiratorial racist reactionary website. I didn't realize that by pointing out that Counterpunch regularly publishes well known antisemites, neo-nazis, and white nationalists I was attempting to defend Israel.
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Talking of racists Yosi - you support and defend a racist state, and make every desperate attempt in the book to excuse and justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.
The word 'hypocrite' comes to mind.
This thread was begun as a platform to discuss the Israeli settlers terrorism against the Palestinians, yet all you've done since you chimed in here is try desperately to paint me as an anti-Semite. And you use the fact that I posted an article by Counterpunch as 'proof' of that? It would be comical if it wasn't so fucking despicable.
For the 1,000,000,000,000 time, bryrnzie ISNT an antisemite. Let's make this clear. And when people throw that shit around, they have no idea the damage it does nor will they. Especially when they themselves are Jewish. I suggest stop labeling and accusing byrnzie of being an anti-Semite. Shits not cool and very harmful.
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about how you are getting your opinions from a conspiratorial racist reactionary website. I didn't realize that by pointing out that Counterpunch regularly publishes well known antisemites, neo-nazis, and white nationalists I was attempting to defend Israel.
Except it isn't a conspiratorial racist reactionary website. It's nothing of the sort.
And regardless, the article I posted was by Michael Neumann, not any of these other authors you've trotted out, and for which you still haven't provided any evidence of racism except to post a bunch of quotes from others. Why don't we get back to the article I posted by Mchael Neumann? Is what he said true or false?
For the 1,000,000,000,000 time, bryrnzie ISNT an antisemite. Let's make this clear. And when people throw that shit around, they have no idea the damage it does nor will they. Especially when they themselves are Jewish. I suggest stop labeling and accusing byrnzie of being an anti-Semite. Shits not cool and very harmful.
It's the only thing he has. He has nothing else up his sleeve. I've rubbished all of his desperate attempts to excuse and justify Israel's oppression of the Palestinians, so now he has to play the racism card. It's the last pathetic and desperate attempt of someone with nowhere else to go.
I'd almost feel sorry for hm if his bile wasn't so odious.
So what you're saying is that a conversation should never progress? Are settlers who attack Palestinians rightly labelled terrorists? Sure. The label fits. I believe I already have said that repeatedly. But of course, according to you I'm just trying to defend Israeli racism when I say that.
Now that we've dispensed with your attempt to change the subject can we get back to the examination of how you regularly post articles from a website that is home to a panoply of crazy racists?
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Now that we've dispensed with your attempt to change the subject can we get back to the examination of how you regularly post articles from a website that is home to a panoply of crazy racists?
Yeah, we can do that when you answer my questions. This isn't one way traffic.
First of all, why did you repost that bullshit attack on MN that's already been exposed as redundant, and which I've already rubbished in this very thread?
Secondly, regarding the article by Michael Neumann published in Counterpunch that got you frothing at the mouth with conspiracy theories about racism: What are your opinions on that article? Is what Michael Neumann said true or false? And how?
Thirdly, let's take the Atzmon article you posted, an article which you claimed is evidence of anti-Semitism. Please point me to what specifically in that article constitutes evidence of anti-Semitism.
I said Atzmon is a well known antisemite regularly published by Counterpunch, and posted the article as an example of the latter. I didn't think that respectable people would disagree about him being an antisemite, but then I forgot who I was talking to.
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Yosi, Keep up the good work posting blogs and quotes from Israel apologists accusing Counterpunch of being an anti-Semitic website, and then using that as an attempt to label me a racist. It's very convincing.
Israeli doctors perform life-saving heart surgery on 5 Palestinian children
‘This is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives.’ – Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH By Viva Sarah Press June 25, 2014
Israeli doctors saved the life of Mohamed Ashgar from Gaza in 2012. (Photo by Sheila Shalhevet) As Israel carries on its search for kidnapped teenagers Gil-ad Shaar, Eyal Yifrach, and Naftali Fraenkel, Israeli doctors of Save a Child’s Heart (SACH) continue to save the lives of Palestinian children at the Wolfson Medical Center in Holon.
Since the beginning of Operation Brother’s Keeper, five Palestinian children have undergone life-saving heart surgery at Wolfson, eight Palestinian children were admitted, including two urgent cases brought by ambulances from the West Bank and from Gaza, and 15 children are expected to arrive this week to the SACH free weekly cardiology clinic for Palestinian children.
“Children are children”‘ says Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH chief surgeon, “for us it doesn’t matter where the children come from, every child deserves to receive the best medical treatment and children from both sides, shouldn’t be a part of the conflict.”
The Israeli medical team of SACH says they are continuing with their activity without letting the situation around interfere or influence them.
“We are continuing with our work, this is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives,” said Dr. Sasson.
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Israel Sends Aid to Syrian Refugees Tuesday, July 1, 2014
Although Israel and Syria are officially in a state of war, Israel has provided hundreds of tons of food aid to Syrian refugees in both Jordan and inside Syria. In the winter, Israel sent coats, blankets and sleeping bags, and in recent weeks thousands of Israeli youth collected money for basic foodstuffs including rice, flour and cooking oil.
The aid was sent by Israeli Flying Aid, a non-profit that specializes in sending aid to countries with which Israel does not have diplomatic relations. “It is rare that Israeli children volunteer to help Syrian children who are seen as their enemies,” Birkat Klimshtein-Levy, a member of the Executive Committee of Israeli Flying Aid told The Media Line. “We make sure there are no labels in Hebrew on anything because that could endanger the Syrians who receive the aid.”
Klimshtein-Levy was speaking at a ceremony with Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu at the Prime Minister’s office, to recognize the organization and the many young volunteers who participated in the current drive.
“There is a dividing line and it passes along the Golan Heights border,” Netanyahu told the dozens of young people in his office, referring to the area that Israel acquired from Syria in 1967 and later annexed. “On one side are murderers who gas civilians, and on the other is an Israeli field hospital where Israeli doctors and nurses, Jewish and non-Jewish, help Syrians.”
In the past week, tensions have increased across the Israel-Syrian border after a 14-year-old Israeli boy was killed by Syrian government troops. The Syrian government said they mistakenly thought the vehicle he was in with his father close to the Israeli border belonged to rebel groups.
Some 800 Syrians have been treated in Israeli hospitals, and then returned to Syria. That has received widespread coverage. But this effort, which involves thousands of Israeli youth, and the donation of millions of dollars of goods has not been publicized.
“My campers sold lemonade and popsicles and then we gave the money to buy food for the Syrian refugees,” Belle Yaacobi, a 16-year-old counselor for the Tzofim youth movement told The Media Line. “We don’t really care where the people are from. We just want to help.”
There were also youth representatives from the Arab sector of Hanoar Halomed Vehaoved, a dovish group that is affiliated with workers groups in Israel. “We teach humanity and helping the other,” Ihab Abu Leil, a coordinator of the group in a village near Nazareth. “In our movement there is no room for racism. We have to work to lessen racism in Israeli society.”
He said there are 18,000 Arab students who participate in the youth movement, along with about 80,000 Jewish Israelis. His charges raised money to buy clothes, blankets and baby food for Syrian refugees.
Israeli Flying Aid is an all-volunteer organization founded by a group of Israelis who want to help victims of conflict and disaster all over the world. Begun in 2005, it has helped earthquake victims in Indonesia, India and Pakistan, as well as disaster victims from Hurricane Katrina in the US.
The Syrian refugee crisis is a growing humanitarian issue. The UN High Commissioner for Refugees recently said that the crisis is the largest humanitarian crisis since World War II. The total number of refugees and displaced persons is estimated at 9.5 million out of a total of 22.5 million people. Several Arab countries including Lebanon and Jordan are struggling to cope with the flood of refugees.
“Our moral obligation is to be the voice of the voiceless,” Gal Lousky, the head of Israeli Flying Aid told Netanyahu and the Israeli high school students. “Israel is strong enough to protect our borders, and we will continue to protect the women and children of our enemies.”
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Israeli doctors perform life-saving heart surgery on 5 Palestinian children
‘This is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives.’ – Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH By Viva Sarah Press June 25, 2014
Israeli doctors saved the life of Mohamed Ashgar from Gaza in 2012. (Photo by Sheila Shalhevet) As Israel carries on its search for kidnapped teenagers Gil-ad Shaar, Eyal Yifrach, and Naftali Fraenkel, Israeli doctors of Save a Child’s Heart (SACH) continue to save the lives of Palestinian children at the Wolfson Medical Center in Holon.
Since the beginning of Operation Brother’s Keeper, five Palestinian children have undergone life-saving heart surgery at Wolfson, eight Palestinian children were admitted, including two urgent cases brought by ambulances from the West Bank and from Gaza, and 15 children are expected to arrive this week to the SACH free weekly cardiology clinic for Palestinian children.
“Children are children”‘ says Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH chief surgeon, “for us it doesn’t matter where the children come from, every child deserves to receive the best medical treatment and children from both sides, shouldn’t be a part of the conflict.”
The Israeli medical team of SACH says they are continuing with their activity without letting the situation around interfere or influence them.
“We are continuing with our work, this is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives,” said Dr. Sasson.
Totally fucking shameless.
How many children has Israel murdered over the past year? In fact, how many has it murdered over the past week?
Israeli doctors perform life-saving heart surgery on 5 Palestinian children
‘This is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives.’ – Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH By Viva Sarah Press June 25, 2014
Israeli doctors saved the life of Mohamed Ashgar from Gaza in 2012. (Photo by Sheila Shalhevet) As Israel carries on its search for kidnapped teenagers Gil-ad Shaar, Eyal Yifrach, and Naftali Fraenkel, Israeli doctors of Save a Child’s Heart (SACH) continue to save the lives of Palestinian children at the Wolfson Medical Center in Holon.
Since the beginning of Operation Brother’s Keeper, five Palestinian children have undergone life-saving heart surgery at Wolfson, eight Palestinian children were admitted, including two urgent cases brought by ambulances from the West Bank and from Gaza, and 15 children are expected to arrive this week to the SACH free weekly cardiology clinic for Palestinian children.
“Children are children”‘ says Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH chief surgeon, “for us it doesn’t matter where the children come from, every child deserves to receive the best medical treatment and children from both sides, shouldn’t be a part of the conflict.”
The Israeli medical team of SACH says they are continuing with their activity without letting the situation around interfere or influence them.
“We are continuing with our work, this is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives,” said Dr. Sasson.
Totally fucking shameless.
How many children has Israel murdered over the past year? In fact, how many has it murdered over the past week?
Sorry for trying to celebrate the good. I forgot that those doctors were only saving lives so that people like me could use their work as a talking point on Pearl Jam fan sites.
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But I suppose Yosi expects us to just take his word for it, and the word of the person who wrote the blog piece he provided a link to.
Did you read the linked-to blog piece? Cause it makes an argument. The author doesn't just ask you to take his word on it. But that's your M.O. When presented with evidence you don't like you dismiss it as unsupported without ever making any attempt to actually engage with it. Oh well.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane
Israeli doctors perform life-saving heart surgery on 5 Palestinian children
‘This is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives.’ – Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH By Viva Sarah Press June 25, 2014
Israeli doctors saved the life of Mohamed Ashgar from Gaza in 2012. (Photo by Sheila Shalhevet) As Israel carries on its search for kidnapped teenagers Gil-ad Shaar, Eyal Yifrach, and Naftali Fraenkel, Israeli doctors of Save a Child’s Heart (SACH) continue to save the lives of Palestinian children at the Wolfson Medical Center in Holon.
Since the beginning of Operation Brother’s Keeper, five Palestinian children have undergone life-saving heart surgery at Wolfson, eight Palestinian children were admitted, including two urgent cases brought by ambulances from the West Bank and from Gaza, and 15 children are expected to arrive this week to the SACH free weekly cardiology clinic for Palestinian children.
“Children are children”‘ says Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH chief surgeon, “for us it doesn’t matter where the children come from, every child deserves to receive the best medical treatment and children from both sides, shouldn’t be a part of the conflict.”
The Israeli medical team of SACH says they are continuing with their activity without letting the situation around interfere or influence them.
“We are continuing with our work, this is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives,” said Dr. Sasson.
Totally fucking shameless.
How many children has Israel murdered over the past year? In fact, how many has it murdered over the past week?
Ya, I kind of got the same feeling about this too. Really? You save 5 children after killing how many? Kind of like the drug dealer who makes millions of dollars selling crack and heroin to the kids/addicts and then donates some $$$ to a rehab clinic to wash his hands. But I will add, if done genuinely then I will say good for the doctors.
Ya, I kind of got the same feeling about this too. Really? You save 5 children after killing how many? Kind of like the drug dealer who makes millions of dollars selling crack and heroin to the kids/addicts and then donates some $$$ to a rehab clinic to wash his hands. But I will add, if done genuinely then I will say good for the doctors.
Over the last 13 years, on average, one Palestinian child has been killed by Israel every 3 days.
But I suppose Yosi expects us to just take his word for it, and the word of the person who wrote the blog piece he provided a link to.
Did you read the linked-to blog piece? Cause it makes an argument. The author doesn't just ask you to take his word on it. But that's your M.O. When presented with evidence you don't like you dismiss it as unsupported without ever making any attempt to actually engage with it. Oh well.
You know what you can do with your silly blog piece. Present me with something credible and I'll take it more seriously.
In the meantime, I notice that you've answered none of my questions. Why is that? Do you think this is one-way traffic?
You accuse me of being a racist, and post a bunch of Mickey Mouse blogs to support your claim, and when I challenge you on it you go silent.
Yosi, you accuse Counterpunch of being anti-Semitic for publishing an article dealing with organ theft. The same story was publsed by countless other News sites too. Are CNN, ABC, Al Jazeera, The Huffington Post, Global Research, and the Guardian, e.t.c, all anti-Semitic?
Why did you repost that bullshit attack on MN that's already been exposed as redundant, and which I've already rubbished in this very thread?
And regarding the article by Michael Neumann published in Counterpunch that got you frothing at the mouth with conspiracy theories about racism: What are your opinions on that article? Is what Michael Neumann said true or false? And how?
And let's take the Atzmon article you posted, an article which you claimed is evidence of anti-Semitism. Please point me to what specifically in that article constitutes evidence of anti-Semitism.
I also asked you the following: Do the Palestinians have a right to self-determination in a state of their own? (According to the U.N declaration that was the basis for the foundation of Israel they do. The foundation of Israel was legitimized by a resolution that decreed that all of the territory external to that allocated to the Israeli's was to be granted to the Palestinians, on which they too could establish their own state. The Israeli's love to talk about 'delegitimization'. By trampling on the very legal framework that Israel's foundation is based on, aren't the Israeli's guilty of 'deligitimizing' themselves?)
And you also avoided answering this question that I posed to you:
If criticism of Israeli policies can be swept up in the dragnet of all things anti-Semitic, and if condemnation of Israeli policies can be felt as a moral obligation, then does that not make anti-Semitism a moral obligation?
'Suppose, for example, an Israeli rightist says that the settlements represent the pursuit of aspirations fundamental to the Jewish people, and to oppose the settlements is antisemitism. We might have to accept this claim; certainly it is difficult to refute. But we also cannot abandon the well-founded belief that the settlements strangle the Palestinian people and extinguish any hope of peace. So definitional acrobatics are all for nothing: we can only say, screw the fundamental aspirations of the Jewish people; the settlements are wrong. We must add that, since we are obliged to oppose the settlements, we are obliged to be antisemitic. Through definitional inflation, some form of ‘antisemitism’ has become morally obligatory.
It gets worse if anti-Zionism is labeled antisemitic, because the settlements, even if they do not represent fundamental aspirations of the Jewish people, are an entirely plausible extension of Zionism. To oppose them is indeed to be anti-Zionist, and therefore, by the stretched definition, antisemitic. The more antisemitism expands to include opposition to Israeli policies, the better it looks. Given the crimes to be laid at the feet of Zionism, there is another simple syllogism: anti-Zionism is a moral obligation, so, if anti-Zionism is antisemitism, antisemitism is a moral obligation.'
That's six questions that you've evaded. Care to answer any of them? Or will you continue running and ducking?
'A human rights group has released a video it says shows two teenage Palestinians being shot dead by Israeli security forces at a protest last week.' (Our emphasis.)
The BBC report was quick to present the Israeli viewpoint upfront:
'But the Israeli military said the video had been edited and did not document the "violent nature" of the incident.
'It also questioned a claim that live ammunition had been fired at the boys.'
A few days later, the Israeli military ordered the removal of the CCTV cameras that had captured the killings. The security cameras belonged to Fakher Sayed who ran a nearby carpentry shop. And the interest in this from BBC News and the rest of the corporate media? Zero, as far as we can tell.
Every violent death is a tragedy. But the disproportionate coverage given to Israeli and Palestinian deaths is symptomatic of a deep-rooted, pro-Israel bias. Why is it so extreme? Because of the intense pressure brought to bear on the media by the powerful Israeli lobby, and by allied US-UK interests strongly favouring Israel. As one senior anonymous BBC editor once put it:
'We wait in fear for the phone call from the Israelis.'
Kind of makes sense when you read some of the twisted bile that spews forth from the mouths of these racist bastards:
American-Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh: "If every simple cell in a Jewish body entails divinity, is a part of God, then every strand of DNA is part of God. Therefore, something is special about Jewish DNA…If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him? The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value."
Rabbi Kook the Elder: “The difference between a Jewish soul and souls of non-Jews—all of them in all different levels—is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle.”
The late, highly revered Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the “Lubovitcher Rebbe” who headed the Chabad movement and wielded great influence in Israel as well as in the U.S., explained that, “The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: ”˜Let us differentiate.’ Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of ”˜let us differentiate’ between totally different species. This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world...A non-Jew’s entire reality is only vanity. It is written, ”˜And the strangers shall guard and feed your flocks’ (Isaiah 61:5). The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews...”
Members of Gush Emunim argue that “what appears to be confiscation of Arab-owned land for subsequent settlement by Jews is in reality not an act of stealing but one of sanctification. From their perspective the land is redeemed by being transferred from the satanic to the divine sphere...the Gush Emunim rabbis assert that this one messianic sect has to handle and lead the ass-like Jews, who have been corrupted by satanic Western culture, with its rationality and democracy and who refuse to renounce their beastly habits and embrace the true faith. To further the process, the use of force is permitted wherever necessary.”
Rabbi Shlomo Aviner, another spokesman, said, “We must live in this land even at the price of war. Moreover, even if there is peace, we must instigate wars of liberation in order to conquer it [the land].”
According to the Halacha, “the killing by a Jew of a non-Jew under any circumstances is not regarded as murder. It may be prohibited for other reasons, especially when it causes danger for Jews.” When asked if he was sorry about the Arabs [murdered by Baruch Goldstein in 1994], militant Rabbi Moshe Levenger declared: “I am sorry not only about dead Arabs but about dead flies.”
Provide me some evidence that Jewish journalist Eric Walberg is a neo-Nazi. Thanks. So far you've claimed that Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website because it published a story by Michael Neumann, who you accuse of anti-Semitism. The accusation you re-posted was rebuked in 2003 - 11 years ago - and I'd already posted it in this very thread. Yet you thought you'd be able to slip it in here again without me noticing and hoped that someone would possibly take it seriously. Your dishonesty and cunning are telling. You then claimed that Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website because it published a story on organ theft - a story published by half a dozen other publications, such as CNN, ABC, and The Huffington Post. You then claimed that Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website because it published a story by Gilad Atzmon, and when asked to provide concrete evidence of anti-Semitism you failed to do so, but instead posted a few blurbs from some other authors. You then claimed that Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website because it published a story by Paul Craig Roberts, an American economist who served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration. You claimed he's a white supremacist and your only evidence was a blog piece that mentioned that he works as an editor for a magazine that allegedly published some articles by alleged supremacists. Sorry, you'll have to do better than that. I can find no mention of any accusations of white supremacy here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts
So far, you've simply spouted a lot of unsubstantiated bullshit in your desperate attempt to pretend that Counterpunch is anti-Semitic, and that because I source some articles from it, that I too must be anti-Semitic.
I've asked you at least six questions on the last two pages of this thread and you've ducked every one of them.
I don't know how anyone could possibly take you seriously. All this tells me is how desperate you are to pounce on any crumb you can find in your unrelenting effort to cast Israel in a positive light and deflect attention from the suffering of the Palestinian people. Clearly the plight of the Palestinians is of absolutely no consequence to you. Your only concern is to try and paint Israel as the victim, despite all evidence to the contrary. It's an age-old tactic of Israel's apologists - turn reality on it's head. I've been debating this issue now for over ten years, and I'm perfectly familiar with it. And when that tactic fails - obfuscations, half-truths, slippery lawyers-speak and self-serving semantics, and outright lies - then out comes the anti-Semitism card.
'5 Broken Cameras' - Palestinian Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K-mGWy9iUg 'When his fourth son, Gibreel, is born, Emad, a Palestinian villager, gets his first camera. In his village, Bil'in, a separation barrier is being built and the villagers start to resist this decision. For more than five years, Emad films the struggle, which is lead by two of his best friends, alongside filming how Gibreel grows. Very soon it affects his family and his own life. Daily arrests and night raids scare his family; his friends, brothers and him as well are either shot or arrested. One Camera after another is shot at or smashed, each camera tells a part of his story.'
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But you say he's a racist, and so he must be. And because some others have said the same thing, then he must be. Though I'm still waiting to hear how Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website for posting that article. I suppose I'll be waiting for as long as it takes you to answer my question re: Michael Neumann, and your pathetic attempt at discrediting him.
http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2009/03/17/counterpunch-gives-platform-to-white-nationalism/
He's a neo-nazi (Atzmon also in there as a bonus): http://hurryupharry.org/2011/08/05/atzmon-and-walberg-two-nazis-discuss-marxism/
One of his Counterpunch articles: http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/06/04/princess-patricia-and-the-taliban/
The word 'hypocrite' comes to mind.
This thread was begun as a platform to discuss the Israeli settlers terrorism against the Palestinians, yet all you've done since you chimed in here is try desperately to paint me as an anti-Semite. And you use the fact that I posted an article by Counterpunch as 'proof' of that?
It would be comical if it wasn't so fucking despicable.
And regardless, the article I posted was by Michael Neumann, not any of these other authors you've trotted out, and for which you still haven't provided any evidence of racism except to post a bunch of quotes from others.
Why don't we get back to the article I posted by Mchael Neumann? Is what he said true or false?
I'd almost feel sorry for hm if his bile wasn't so odious.
Now that we've dispensed with your attempt to change the subject can we get back to the examination of how you regularly post articles from a website that is home to a panoply of crazy racists?
First of all, why did you repost that bullshit attack on MN that's already been exposed as redundant, and which I've already rubbished in this very thread?
Secondly, regarding the article by Michael Neumann published in Counterpunch that got you frothing at the mouth with conspiracy theories about racism: What are your opinions on that article? Is what Michael Neumann said true or false? And how?
Thirdly, let's take the Atzmon article you posted, an article which you claimed is evidence of anti-Semitism. Please point me to what specifically in that article constitutes evidence of anti-Semitism.
Yosi, Keep up the good work posting blogs and quotes from Israel apologists accusing Counterpunch of being an anti-Semitic website, and then using that as an attempt to label me a racist. It's very convincing.
Or maybe you can answer my questions instead?
I won't hold my breath.
Israeli doctors perform life-saving heart surgery on 5 Palestinian children
‘This is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives.’ – Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH
By Viva Sarah Press June 25, 2014
Israeli doctors saved the life of Mohamed Ashgar from Gaza in 2012. (Photo by Sheila Shalhevet)
As Israel carries on its search for kidnapped teenagers Gil-ad Shaar, Eyal Yifrach, and Naftali Fraenkel, Israeli doctors of Save a Child’s Heart (SACH) continue to save the lives of Palestinian children at the Wolfson Medical Center in Holon.
Since the beginning of Operation Brother’s Keeper, five Palestinian children have undergone life-saving heart surgery at Wolfson, eight Palestinian children were admitted, including two urgent cases brought by ambulances from the West Bank and from Gaza, and 15 children are expected to arrive this week to the SACH free weekly cardiology clinic for Palestinian children.
“Children are children”‘ says Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH chief surgeon, “for us it doesn’t matter where the children come from, every child deserves to receive the best medical treatment and children from both sides, shouldn’t be a part of the conflict.”
The Israeli medical team of SACH says they are continuing with their activity without letting the situation around interfere or influence them.
“We are continuing with our work, this is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives,” said Dr. Sasson.
Tuesday, July 1, 2014
Although Israel and Syria are officially in a state of war, Israel has provided hundreds of tons of food aid to Syrian refugees in both Jordan and inside Syria. In the winter, Israel sent coats, blankets and sleeping bags, and in recent weeks thousands of Israeli youth collected money for basic foodstuffs including rice, flour and cooking oil.
The aid was sent by Israeli Flying Aid, a non-profit that specializes in sending aid to countries with which Israel does not have diplomatic relations. “It is rare that Israeli children volunteer to help Syrian children who are seen as their enemies,” Birkat Klimshtein-Levy, a member of the Executive Committee of Israeli Flying Aid told The Media Line. “We make sure there are no labels in Hebrew on anything because that could endanger the Syrians who receive the aid.”
Klimshtein-Levy was speaking at a ceremony with Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu at the Prime Minister’s office, to recognize the organization and the many young volunteers who participated in the current drive.
“There is a dividing line and it passes along the Golan Heights border,” Netanyahu told the dozens of young people in his office, referring to the area that Israel acquired from Syria in 1967 and later annexed. “On one side are murderers who gas civilians, and on the other is an Israeli field hospital where Israeli doctors and nurses, Jewish and non-Jewish, help Syrians.”
In the past week, tensions have increased across the Israel-Syrian border after a 14-year-old Israeli boy was killed by Syrian government troops. The Syrian government said they mistakenly thought the vehicle he was in with his father close to the Israeli border belonged to rebel groups.
Some 800 Syrians have been treated in Israeli hospitals, and then returned to Syria. That has received widespread coverage. But this effort, which involves thousands of Israeli youth, and the donation of millions of dollars of goods has not been publicized.
“My campers sold lemonade and popsicles and then we gave the money to buy food for the Syrian refugees,” Belle Yaacobi, a 16-year-old counselor for the Tzofim youth movement told The Media Line. “We don’t really care where the people are from. We just want to help.”
There were also youth representatives from the Arab sector of Hanoar Halomed Vehaoved, a dovish group that is affiliated with workers groups in Israel. “We teach humanity and helping the other,” Ihab Abu Leil, a coordinator of the group in a village near Nazareth. “In our movement there is no room for racism. We have to work to lessen racism in Israeli society.”
He said there are 18,000 Arab students who participate in the youth movement, along with about 80,000 Jewish Israelis. His charges raised money to buy clothes, blankets and baby food for Syrian refugees.
Israeli Flying Aid is an all-volunteer organization founded by a group of Israelis who want to help victims of conflict and disaster all over the world. Begun in 2005, it has helped earthquake victims in Indonesia, India and Pakistan, as well as disaster victims from Hurricane Katrina in the US.
The Syrian refugee crisis is a growing humanitarian issue. The UN High Commissioner for Refugees recently said that the crisis is the largest humanitarian crisis since World War II. The total number of refugees and displaced persons is estimated at 9.5 million out of a total of 22.5 million people. Several Arab countries including Lebanon and Jordan are struggling to cope with the flood of refugees.
“Our moral obligation is to be the voice of the voiceless,” Gal Lousky, the head of Israeli Flying Aid told Netanyahu and the Israeli high school students. “Israel is strong enough to protect our borders, and we will continue to protect the women and children of our enemies.”
How many children has Israel murdered over the past year? In fact, how many has it murdered over the past week?
But I suppose Yosi expects us to just take his word for it, and the word of the person who wrote the blog piece he provided a link to.
In the meantime, I notice that you've answered none of my questions. Why is that? Do you think this is one-way traffic?
You accuse me of being a racist, and post a bunch of Mickey Mouse blogs to support your claim, and when I challenge you on it you go silent.
Yosi, you accuse Counterpunch of being anti-Semitic for publishing an article dealing with organ theft. The same story was publsed by countless other News sites too.
Are CNN, ABC, Al Jazeera, The Huffington Post, Global Research, and the Guardian, e.t.c, all anti-Semitic?
Why did you repost that bullshit attack on MN that's already been exposed as redundant, and which I've already rubbished in this very thread?
And regarding the article by Michael Neumann published in Counterpunch that got you frothing at the mouth with conspiracy theories about racism: What are your opinions on that article? Is what Michael Neumann said true or false? And how?
And let's take the Atzmon article you posted, an article which you claimed is evidence of anti-Semitism. Please point me to what specifically in that article constitutes evidence of anti-Semitism.
I also asked you the following: Do the Palestinians have a right to self-determination in a state of their own? (According to the U.N declaration that was the basis for the foundation of Israel they do. The foundation of Israel was legitimized by a resolution that decreed that all of the territory external to that allocated to the Israeli's was to be granted to the Palestinians, on which they too could establish their own state. The Israeli's love to talk about 'delegitimization'. By trampling on the very legal framework that Israel's foundation is based on, aren't the Israeli's guilty of 'deligitimizing' themselves?)
And you also avoided answering this question that I posed to you:
If criticism of Israeli policies can be swept up in the dragnet of all things anti-Semitic, and if condemnation of Israeli policies can be felt as a moral obligation, then does that not make anti-Semitism a moral obligation?
'Suppose, for example, an Israeli rightist says that the settlements represent the pursuit of aspirations fundamental to the Jewish people, and to oppose the settlements is antisemitism. We might have to accept this claim; certainly it is difficult to refute. But we also cannot abandon the well-founded belief that the settlements strangle the Palestinian people and extinguish any hope of peace. So definitional acrobatics are all for nothing: we can only say, screw the fundamental aspirations of the Jewish people; the settlements are wrong. We must add that, since we are obliged to oppose the settlements, we are obliged to be antisemitic. Through definitional inflation, some form of ‘antisemitism’ has become morally obligatory.
It gets worse if anti-Zionism is labeled antisemitic, because the settlements, even if they do not represent fundamental aspirations of the Jewish people, are an entirely plausible extension of Zionism. To oppose them is indeed to be anti-Zionist, and therefore, by the stretched definition, antisemitic. The more antisemitism expands to include opposition to Israeli policies, the better it looks. Given the crimes to be laid at the feet of Zionism, there is another simple syllogism: anti-Zionism is a moral obligation, so, if anti-Zionism is antisemitism, antisemitism is a moral obligation.'
That's six questions that you've evaded. Care to answer any of them? Or will you continue running and ducking?
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We can easily see the contrast in media treatment of Israeli and Palestinian deaths by observing the lack of coverage, and the silence of Western leaders, about two young Palestinians, Nadim Nuwara, 17, and Muhammad Abu al-Thahir, 16, who were shot dead by Israeli security forces in May. The BBC did not entirely ignore the killings. But the deaths were presented as a murky event in which the truth was strongly disputed:
'A human rights group has released a video it says shows two teenage Palestinians being shot dead by Israeli security forces at a protest last week.' (Our emphasis.)
The BBC report was quick to present the Israeli viewpoint upfront:
'But the Israeli military said the video had been edited and did not document the "violent nature" of the incident.
'It also questioned a claim that live ammunition had been fired at the boys.'
A few days later, the Israeli military ordered the removal of the CCTV cameras that had captured the killings. The security cameras belonged to Fakher Sayed who ran a nearby carpentry shop. And the interest in this from BBC News and the rest of the corporate media? Zero, as far as we can tell.
Every violent death is a tragedy. But the disproportionate coverage given to Israeli and Palestinian deaths is symptomatic of a deep-rooted, pro-Israel bias. Why is it so extreme? Because of the intense pressure brought to bear on the media by the powerful Israeli lobby, and by allied US-UK interests strongly favouring Israel. As one senior anonymous BBC editor once put it:
'We wait in fear for the phone call from the Israelis.'
American-Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh: "If every simple cell in a Jewish body entails divinity, is a part of God, then every strand of DNA is part of God. Therefore, something is special about Jewish DNA…If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him? The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value."
Rabbi Kook the Elder: “The difference between a Jewish soul and souls of non-Jews—all of them in all different levels—is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle.”
The late, highly revered Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the “Lubovitcher Rebbe” who headed the Chabad movement and wielded great influence in Israel as well as in the U.S., explained that, “The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: ”˜Let us differentiate.’ Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of ”˜let us differentiate’ between totally different species. This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world...A non-Jew’s entire reality is only vanity. It is written, ”˜And the strangers shall guard and feed your flocks’ (Isaiah 61:5). The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews...”
Members of Gush Emunim argue that “what appears to be confiscation of Arab-owned land for subsequent settlement by Jews is in reality not an act of stealing but one of sanctification. From their perspective the land is redeemed by being transferred from the satanic to the divine sphere...the Gush Emunim rabbis assert that this one messianic sect has to handle and lead the ass-like Jews, who have been corrupted by satanic Western culture, with its rationality and democracy and who refuse to renounce their beastly habits and embrace the true faith. To further the process, the use of force is permitted wherever necessary.”
Rabbi Shlomo Aviner, another spokesman, said, “We must live in this land even at the price of war. Moreover, even if there is peace, we must instigate wars of liberation in order to conquer it [the land].”
According to the Halacha, “the killing by a Jew of a non-Jew under any circumstances is not regarded as murder. It may be prohibited for other reasons, especially when it causes danger for Jews.” When asked if he was sorry about the Arabs [murdered by Baruch Goldstein in 1994], militant Rabbi Moshe Levenger declared: “I am sorry not only about dead Arabs but about dead flies.”
So far you've claimed that Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website because it published a story by Michael Neumann, who you accuse of anti-Semitism. The accusation you re-posted was rebuked in 2003 - 11 years ago - and I'd already posted it in this very thread. Yet you thought you'd be able to slip it in here again without me noticing and hoped that someone would possibly take it seriously. Your dishonesty and cunning are telling.
You then claimed that Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website because it published a story on organ theft - a story published by half a dozen other publications, such as CNN, ABC, and The Huffington Post.
You then claimed that Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website because it published a story by Gilad Atzmon, and when asked to provide concrete evidence of anti-Semitism you failed to do so, but instead posted a few blurbs from some other authors.
You then claimed that Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website because it published a story by Paul Craig Roberts, an American economist who served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration. You claimed he's a white supremacist and your only evidence was a blog piece that mentioned that he works as an editor for a magazine that allegedly published some articles by alleged supremacists. Sorry, you'll have to do better than that. I can find no mention of any accusations of white supremacy here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts
So far, you've simply spouted a lot of unsubstantiated bullshit in your desperate attempt to pretend that Counterpunch is anti-Semitic, and that because I source some articles from it, that I too must be anti-Semitic.
I've asked you at least six questions on the last two pages of this thread and you've ducked every one of them.
I don't know how anyone could possibly take you seriously.
All this tells me is how desperate you are to pounce on any crumb you can find in your unrelenting effort to cast Israel in a positive light and deflect attention from the suffering of the Palestinian people.
Clearly the plight of the Palestinians is of absolutely no consequence to you. Your only concern is to try and paint Israel as the victim, despite all evidence to the contrary.
It's an age-old tactic of Israel's apologists - turn reality on it's head. I've been debating this issue now for over ten years, and I'm perfectly familiar with it.
And when that tactic fails - obfuscations, half-truths, slippery lawyers-speak and self-serving semantics, and outright lies - then out comes the anti-Semitism card.
'When his fourth son, Gibreel, is born, Emad, a Palestinian villager, gets his first camera. In his village, Bil'in, a separation barrier is being built and the villagers start to resist this decision. For more than five years, Emad films the struggle, which is lead by two of his best friends, alongside filming how Gibreel grows. Very soon it affects his family and his own life. Daily arrests and night raids scare his family; his friends, brothers and him as well are either shot or arrested. One Camera after another is shot at or smashed, each camera tells a part of his story.'