Jewish Settler Attacks = Terrorism
Byrnzie
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I wonder if this means the Israeli settler groups will soon be labeled as terrorist organizations?
They should be.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/au ... alestinian
Jewish settler attacks on Palestinians listed as 'terrorist incidents' by U.S
Israeli leaders condemn recent extremist violence, the growth of which human rights groups blame on lack of law enforcement
Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 19 August 2012
Violence by Jewish settlers has been cited for the first time in a US state department list of "terrorist incidents", as Israeli political leaders condemned a string of recent attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank and Jerusalem.
The inclusion of assaults on Palestinian targets in the annual report on terrorism reflects growing concern in Israel and internationally that violence by a minority of Jewish extremists could trigger a new cycle of conflict and further damage the prospects of a peace agreement between the two sides.
"Attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian residents, property and places of worship in the West Bank continued," said the Country Reports on Terrorism 2011. It referred to "price tag" operations, meaning violence committed by radical settlers against Palestinians in retribution for actions by the Israeli government or army deemed to be "anti-settler".
US and European officials have become more vocal in criticising settler violence amid fears that the actions of a minority of Jewish extremists could provoke a militant response from Palestinians. According to the UN, violent attacks by settlers on Palestinians and their property, mosques and farmland has increased by almost 150% since 2009.
On Friday, the US state department condemned "in the strongest possible terms" the firebombing of a Palestinian taxi near Bethlehem, in which six people – including four-year-old twins – were injured. It urged expeditious action by Israel to bring the perpetrators to justice and for "all parties to avoid any actions that could lead to an escalation of violence".
The attack was widely blamed on settlers, with military sources suggesting "Israeli civilians were responsible". A second firebomb was found near the scene. No arrests had been made by Sunday afternoon.
Israeli politicians were also swift in their condemnation. The prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, said it was a "very serious incident", and on Sunday, Moshe Ya'alon, minister for strategic affairs, described it as "a terrorist attack".
He linked the firebombing to a separate incident in Jerusalem at the weekend, in which a Palestinian youth was severely beaten by dozens of Jewish teenagers, who witnesses said were searching for Arabs to attack.
"The hate crimes committed over the weekend against Arabs in Judea and Samaria [the biblical terms for the West Bank] and Jerusalem are intolerable, outrageous and must be firmly dealt with," Ya'alon said. "These are terrorist attacks. They run contrary to Jewish morality and values, and constitute first and foremost an educational and moral failure."
Jamal Julani, 17, from East Jerusalem, was admitted to hospital in a critical condition and placed on a respirator in the intensive care unit. A 19-year-old Jewish man was arrested, and further arrests were expected. A police spokesman described the incident as a brawl, and said it had no connection to settlers.
The Country Reports on Terrorism cited several incidents of settler violence during 2011, including attacks on Israeli military personnel and a base. Over the year 10 mosques in the West Bank and one in an Israeli-Arab town were attacked, it said.
Human rights groups which monitor settler violence say it routinely includes assaults against individuals and groups of Palestinians, harassment, uprooting trees, burning fields, attacks on livestock and damage to cars and houses. It usually peaks during the autumn olive harvesting season.
According to the UN office for humanitarian affairs, the number of settler attacks causing casualties or damage to Palestinian property has increased by 144% between 2009 and 2011(pdf). Three Palestinians were killed and 183 injured by settlers last year; about 10,000 trees were damaged or destroyed; and more than 90% of complaints filed with Israeli police were closed without charges being brought.
"One of the key factors in the growth of settler violence is the lack of effective law enforcement," said Sarit Michaeli of human rights group B'Tselem. "The Israelis have been calling settler violence 'terrorism' for a while now, but that in itself is not a guarantee that they will fulfil their obligations to protect Palestinians."
According to B'Tselem, Israeli security forces often fail to intervene to stop settler violence when alerted to it or already present at the scene. In May, a video posted by B'Tselem on Youtube showed settlers shooting at a group of Palestinian protesters while soldiers and police officers stood by.
A recent article published by Foreign Affairs last week, The Rise of Settler Terrorism, attributed the increase in attacks to "the growth of a small but significant fringe of young extremists, known as the 'hilltop youth', who show little, if any, deference to the Israeli government or even to the settler leadership … These settlers – likely no more than a couple of thousand, a small but dangerous minority within the broader community – are the ones leading the 'price tag' attacks against Palestinian civilians and Israeli soldiers."
The US state department report also said that in 2011: "Israel faced terrorist threats from Hamas, the Popular Resistance Committees, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, particularly from Gaza but also from the West Bank, and from Hezbollah in Lebanon."
Among the terrorist incidents it listed for 2011 were the murder of five members of the Fogel family at their home in a West Bank settlement, the death of a British national and the injury of 50 other people in a bomb explosion at Jerusalem's central bus station, and the killing of a resident of the Israeli city of Ashkelon by a rocket fired from Gaza.
They should be.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/au ... alestinian
Jewish settler attacks on Palestinians listed as 'terrorist incidents' by U.S
Israeli leaders condemn recent extremist violence, the growth of which human rights groups blame on lack of law enforcement
Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 19 August 2012
Violence by Jewish settlers has been cited for the first time in a US state department list of "terrorist incidents", as Israeli political leaders condemned a string of recent attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank and Jerusalem.
The inclusion of assaults on Palestinian targets in the annual report on terrorism reflects growing concern in Israel and internationally that violence by a minority of Jewish extremists could trigger a new cycle of conflict and further damage the prospects of a peace agreement between the two sides.
"Attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian residents, property and places of worship in the West Bank continued," said the Country Reports on Terrorism 2011. It referred to "price tag" operations, meaning violence committed by radical settlers against Palestinians in retribution for actions by the Israeli government or army deemed to be "anti-settler".
US and European officials have become more vocal in criticising settler violence amid fears that the actions of a minority of Jewish extremists could provoke a militant response from Palestinians. According to the UN, violent attacks by settlers on Palestinians and their property, mosques and farmland has increased by almost 150% since 2009.
On Friday, the US state department condemned "in the strongest possible terms" the firebombing of a Palestinian taxi near Bethlehem, in which six people – including four-year-old twins – were injured. It urged expeditious action by Israel to bring the perpetrators to justice and for "all parties to avoid any actions that could lead to an escalation of violence".
The attack was widely blamed on settlers, with military sources suggesting "Israeli civilians were responsible". A second firebomb was found near the scene. No arrests had been made by Sunday afternoon.
Israeli politicians were also swift in their condemnation. The prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, said it was a "very serious incident", and on Sunday, Moshe Ya'alon, minister for strategic affairs, described it as "a terrorist attack".
He linked the firebombing to a separate incident in Jerusalem at the weekend, in which a Palestinian youth was severely beaten by dozens of Jewish teenagers, who witnesses said were searching for Arabs to attack.
"The hate crimes committed over the weekend against Arabs in Judea and Samaria [the biblical terms for the West Bank] and Jerusalem are intolerable, outrageous and must be firmly dealt with," Ya'alon said. "These are terrorist attacks. They run contrary to Jewish morality and values, and constitute first and foremost an educational and moral failure."
Jamal Julani, 17, from East Jerusalem, was admitted to hospital in a critical condition and placed on a respirator in the intensive care unit. A 19-year-old Jewish man was arrested, and further arrests were expected. A police spokesman described the incident as a brawl, and said it had no connection to settlers.
The Country Reports on Terrorism cited several incidents of settler violence during 2011, including attacks on Israeli military personnel and a base. Over the year 10 mosques in the West Bank and one in an Israeli-Arab town were attacked, it said.
Human rights groups which monitor settler violence say it routinely includes assaults against individuals and groups of Palestinians, harassment, uprooting trees, burning fields, attacks on livestock and damage to cars and houses. It usually peaks during the autumn olive harvesting season.
According to the UN office for humanitarian affairs, the number of settler attacks causing casualties or damage to Palestinian property has increased by 144% between 2009 and 2011(pdf). Three Palestinians were killed and 183 injured by settlers last year; about 10,000 trees were damaged or destroyed; and more than 90% of complaints filed with Israeli police were closed without charges being brought.
"One of the key factors in the growth of settler violence is the lack of effective law enforcement," said Sarit Michaeli of human rights group B'Tselem. "The Israelis have been calling settler violence 'terrorism' for a while now, but that in itself is not a guarantee that they will fulfil their obligations to protect Palestinians."
According to B'Tselem, Israeli security forces often fail to intervene to stop settler violence when alerted to it or already present at the scene. In May, a video posted by B'Tselem on Youtube showed settlers shooting at a group of Palestinian protesters while soldiers and police officers stood by.
A recent article published by Foreign Affairs last week, The Rise of Settler Terrorism, attributed the increase in attacks to "the growth of a small but significant fringe of young extremists, known as the 'hilltop youth', who show little, if any, deference to the Israeli government or even to the settler leadership … These settlers – likely no more than a couple of thousand, a small but dangerous minority within the broader community – are the ones leading the 'price tag' attacks against Palestinian civilians and Israeli soldiers."
The US state department report also said that in 2011: "Israel faced terrorist threats from Hamas, the Popular Resistance Committees, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, particularly from Gaza but also from the West Bank, and from Hezbollah in Lebanon."
Among the terrorist incidents it listed for 2011 were the murder of five members of the Fogel family at their home in a West Bank settlement, the death of a British national and the injury of 50 other people in a bomb explosion at Jerusalem's central bus station, and the killing of a resident of the Israeli city of Ashkelon by a rocket fired from Gaza.
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I don't believe there is a simple fix for this issue and I also believe all of us who have never lived there will completely understand why it continues to happen, I'm sure reading it on the news will tell us what happened but we will never fully understand why.
Godfather.
No. It's a land border issue going back to 1967.
There is a simple fix for this issue. It's the fix that's supported by the whole World - excluding Israel and the U.S - that calls for a full Israeli withdrawal from the territories it occupied during and after the June 1967 war.
Supporters of Israel like to pretend that the situation is incredibly complex, going back thousands of years, and that it's complexity means that we should all just turn a blind eye to what's going on there. However, this is bullshit. The situation isn't complicated at all, as anyone who educates themselves on the subject will soon find out, and the Israeli's and their supporters know this.
I don't think so.
Godfather.
Why not? Have no conflicts ever been settled before? Are the Turks and Greeks still killing each other on the disputed island of Cyprus?
Jews and Arabs lived in peace in Palestine for a thousand years before the Zionists moved in.
Godfather.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i think it's time to coin the phrase "rationalized ignorance" ... whether it be the middle east, us foreign policy, global warming, etc ... this seems to be a common talking point when the opposing viewpoint has become too hard for even the most indoctrinated to believe ...
examples:
israel/palestine: both sides are equally wrong and no peace will ever come of it
iraq war: saddam was an evil evil man and we are saving them despite the fact there were never WMD
global warming: mother nature is far too big a force that humans can't possibly alter it
there is no need to start throwing out stuff like "rationalized ignorance" and the battle of land borders issues was going on before 1967 I believe ? in 1967 thing's got moved around but the battle for those borders was going before then other wise why did a battle happen in 1967 to begen with ?
Godfather.
Singer Scott McKenzie, who performed "San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)" -- which became a hit in 1967 during the city's "Summer of Love" -- has died.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... z2469F7meP
Godfather.
yeah...dang it ! but I think that I am kind of right on that one but it's my fault for not researching all the time lines and history.
Godfather.
Jewish identity emerged in the post-586 BC Exilic and post-Exilic period, and by the Hellenistic period (after 332 BC) the Jews had become a self-consciously separate community based in Jerusalem. For a time in the 2nd century BCE the Jews succeeded in creating a nominally independent kingdom (the Hasmonean Kingdom) covering much of the biblical "Land of Israel", but by the end of the 1st century BC this was absorbed into the Roman empire. A series of revolts against the Romans led to the forced dispersal of much of the Jewish population from Jerusalem and Judea, Jerusalem being renamed Aelia Capitolina and Judea province renamed Syria Palestina, and it was not until the 19th century and the growth of the nationalist Jewish Zionist movement that large-scale migration began the return of large numbers of Jews. This movement culminated in the 20th century with the creation of the present State of Israel, largely within the borders of the biblical "Land of Israel", although the original core areas, the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel and Judah, are often considered outside the core of present-day Israel
In other words, they never really established a permanent foothold in the region for anything more than a couple of hundred years at the most, and existed mostly in scattered communities throughout the region.
Therefore, doesn't it make you wonder why they think they now have a claim, in the 21st century, to be the rightful owners of all the land between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean sea?
Here's another take on it:
Michael Neumann:
'In the case of a Jewish claim to Palestine, the claims are themselves dubious. Here it is not necessary to have decided on a truth, which may elude researchers forever. It is enough to show that there is serious controversy, and that is easily done. One account of recent findings can be found in 'The Bible Unearthed: Archeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the origin of It's sacred Texts'. It's authors are Israel Finkelstein, director of an archeological institute at Tel Aviv University, and Neil Asher Silberman, director of a Belgian archeological institute and a contributing editor to 'Archeology' magazine. These writers display no political agenda and repeat to the point of saturation their admiration and respect for the Bible. Asher and Silberman introduce their work with the claim that:
"The historical sage contained in the Bible - from Abraham's encounter with God and his journey to Canaan, to Moses's deliverance of the children of Israel from bondage, to the rise and fall of the Kingdom of Israel and Judah - was not a miraculous revelation, but a brilliant product of the human imagination."
This is the authors' exceedingly polite way of saying that the Biblical accounts are sometimes nonsense, sometimes deliberate lies, exaggerations, and distortions. The status of the Biblical Kingdom is particularly relevant to the Jewish claims to Palestine. One of Asher and Silberman's more devastating findings is that:
"The Biblical borders of the land of Israel as outlined in the book of Joshua had seemingly assumed a sacred inviolability...the Bible pictures a stormy but basically continuous Israelite occupation of the land of Israel all the way to the Assyrian conquest. But a reexamination of the archaeological evidence...points to a period of a few decades [in which Israel existed], between around 835-800B.C.E..."
In other words, they find that the "Great" Jewish Kingdom existed in something like it's fabled extent for a tiny fraction of the period traditionally alleged. Even then, their boundaries never came close to the "Greater Israel" of contemporary Jewish fundamentalism. The rest of the time. Judah and Israel are thought to have been, for the most part, very primitive entities, devoid of literate culture or substantial administrative structure, extending to only a small, landlocked part of what is now called Palestine. The great structures of the Biblical era are, all of them, attributed to Canaanite cultures. Moreover, the inhabitants of Biblical Israel and Judah seem to have been, for most of the time and for the most part, practitioners of Canaanite religions rather than Judaism, or of various synthetic cults. These "Israelites" were not, that is, "Jewish" in one important sense of the term. The authors refer to the Biblical Kingdom at it existed as a "a multi-ethnic society." The idea that such a past could validate a Jewish historical claim to Palestine is simply ludicrous, even if it could be shown - which it cannot - that today's Jews are in some legal sense, heirs to the ancient Israelite Kingdoms.'
http://swampland.time.com/2011/01/10/sh ... z249OSY6a3
That's an official statement from the Secretary of State regarding israeli settlement expansion......made a little more than a month before the US exercised it's Security Council veto to kill a resolution condemning israeli settlements (the only negative vote).
Talk is cheap.
what I was trying to point out is that there has been conflict over the borders there for a long time before 1967
not who is or who is not right or who owns the land.
Godfather.
Godfather,
But there hasn’t, in all honesty and I have heard from elders, both Jewish and Palestinians who lived in Palestine before the state of Israel was created in 1948 and conflict never entered any of the stories I heard. A Jewish man in his 80s about 15 years ago, was proud to tell me how he and his Palestinians neighbors tried to help each other out under the British Mandate. And the stories I have heard from Palestinians who lived in Palestine before 1948, was just about how they lived as farmers, how they struggled with that and just about when they are about to reap the fruits of their labor so to speak, the state of Israel was created. Those were firsthand accounts.
The problem, I promise you, is a relatively new one with the creation of Zionism at the turn of the century. Conflict began after Palestinians got wind of what was about to befall them: that a lot of these newly arrived Jews were there to make aliyah, ie, to “settle” and take a land for themselves that was already settled by the Palestinians for centuries. Before Zionism there was never a push by Jews worldwide to go Palestine. They never sought to usurp another’s land. There never was a state of Israel before 1948.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
hitler was an extremist. pol pot was an extremist. i doubt americans understand what it is like to live uner extreme leadership... actually as an australian living in a so called democracy, nor do i know what it is like to live under the leadership of an extremist... and we were ruled by a military junta for a couple of years.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
if only americans were better educated and not so fearful.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Not fearful Cate. It's ok, we will figure it out and our Comeback Team is in place.
Cheers
i think hollywood took care of your cultural ruin years ago.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
The establishment of settlements in the West Bank violates international humanitarian law which establishes principles that apply during war and occupation. Moreover, the settlements lead to the infringement of international human rights law.
The Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits an occupying power from transferring citizens from its own territory to the occupied territory (Article 49). The Hague Regulations prohibit an occupying power from undertaking permanent changes in the occupied area unless these are due to military needs in the narrow sense of the term, or unless they are undertaken for the benefit of the local population.
The establishment of settlements results in the violation of the rights of Palestinians as enshrined in international human rights law. Among other violations, the settlements infringe the right to self-determination, equality, property, an adequate standard of living, and freedom of movement.
Though I understand why some people would regard those who recognize the tenets of international law as extremists, whilst at the same time supporting racists engaged in ethnic cleansing.
No doubt the European Jewish resistance groups during WWII who fought the Nazis were also extremists, right?
depends on what side youe looking from steve.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Do you support attacks by Illegal Jewish settlers upon Palestinian civilians - including racist abuse, spitting, stone throwing, beatings, stabbings, shootings, and the destruction of property? Do you support the daily assaults upon Palestinian schoolchildren - boys and girls - attempting to walk to school?
Are those who oppose such actions 'extremists' in your opinion?
Don't worry, I don't actually expect any answer from you. I expect you'll just post a quote from Mitt Romney, or Benjamin Netanyahu, or a silly photo.
So you don't support Israeli terrorists?
:corn:
Thank you.
Godfather.