PJ to play corporate Oracle Convention

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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    Jeanwah wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    I'm more upset that they'll play a show like this and not a regular show. Disappointing.
    Yeah, right. Especially seeing that in the past two years they will have played a total of 7 shows in the U.S., 3 of them being festival shows, 1 being a political benefit concert, and 1 being a corporate gig. Makes me wonder where the future is heading...

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Personally... I am much different today, than I was when I was in my 20s.
    I don't have a problem with Pearl Jam playing at Openworld. It's a good gig... short set with a massive payday... no permits to pull and all that crap. just show up, pound out the hits and eat the free food. Hell, if I had talent, I'd do it.
    And I don't have a wife and kids to support in a occupation where your bread and butter is no longer in music and more and more reliant on live shows and merchandising. I keep getting a steady paycheck as long as I can stay employed.
    Anyway... I don't have a problem with bands playing corporate gigs. I would think it would be kind of fun... you know, making fun of them while taking a bunch of their money.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i'm not really angry about it, after all it is THEIR band, they get to decide where they play and why. i don't begrudge them that. they have earned that right after 21 years.

    i will say that if this were nickelback or creed playing this thing we would all be pointing and laughing at them and bashing them and calling them sellouts for playing such an event. i guess it all comes down to doing whatever it is that you think you and your band need to do, and doing it in a way where you come out of it with your integrity somewhat intact..
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  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Thought this was relevant:



    You've been quite consistent in that throughout your career. As far as I can tell you've never really put the ego thing out there, which I think is to your credit because this is a business driven by ego. You've managed to step back from that and yet the messages are still the same. Do you see that ego gets in the way of the message, and that you have a big message this time?

    I think we're very fortunate that whatever foundation we laid as far as trust and maybe some communication with the audience -- and I hate to mention it in some kind of sacred way -- but whatever happened there, we've been fortunate that it continues and allows us to do things in a low key way.

    The ego thing doesn't do it for me or us to the point where I see other people doing these MTV diaries or shoving their face at us all the time I immediately distrust them and think they're completely whacked out.

    They might be able to remain human inside that and there is a certain amount of arse-kissing that goes around this [business]. But it doesn't do it for us and makes us feel very strange. I mean it feels very strange to us to come to our practice place and see a food table out [for the journalists]. "Wow, that's kinda fancy".

    The comedian Bill Hicks said that the second an artist endorses a product they were off the roll call forever because you could never trust a thing they would say after that.


    Yeah, that's how I feel. I saw something with Wyclef Jean last night for some fucking product and Counting Crows for Coca-Cola or something. Fuck them. Busta Rhymes for anti-perspirant? What the fuck is that? Why? They have a set of morals they can run with and that's fine but I'm just gonna say, "Fuck you".

    I assume no corporate sponsors have come to your management for years because they know of your attitude?

    I don't know. We probably wouldn't hear about it. I remember being asked by the Gap years and years ago to do one of their black and white photos and I even thought about it and taking their $60,000 or whatever and giving it to a charity. But I wanted to say it would go to the charity on the bottom and they wouldn't do it.

    There are older bands which might do it. I question bands' motivations but maybe the Buzzcocks for Toyota, maybe that's okay because maybe they could use a few dollars.

    But times have changed and now it's a way to promote your single as opposed to the video. So now you've got Sheryl Crow doing a video which looks like a Mountain Dew commercial and then you've got that same song being used as an ad two weeks before the record comes out. I think it's clever marketing because it works for everybody, but it also lowers the respect level.

    This is interesting in that it shows that the music industry has got a whole lot smarter in terms of marketing in the past few decades.

    It's diabolical.
    Here's a new demo called "in the fire":

    <object height="81" width="100%"> <param name="movie" value="https://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/28998869&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt; <param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param> <embed allowscriptaccess="always" height="81" src="https://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/28998869&quot; type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="100%"></embed> </object> <span><a href=" - In the Fire (demo)</a> by <a href="
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    If your going to be a sellout just don't preach about greedy corporations or CEO'S or what not.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    inlet13 wrote:
    Thought this was relevant:



    You've been quite consistent in that throughout your career. As far as I can tell you've never really put the ego thing out there, which I think is to your credit because this is a business driven by ego. You've managed to step back from that and yet the messages are still the same. Do you see that ego gets in the way of the message, and that you have a big message this time?

    I think we're very fortunate that whatever foundation we laid as far as trust and maybe some communication with the audience -- and I hate to mention it in some kind of sacred way -- but whatever happened there, we've been fortunate that it continues and allows us to do things in a low key way.

    The ego thing doesn't do it for me or us to the point where I see other people doing these MTV diaries or shoving their face at us all the time I immediately distrust them and think they're completely whacked out.

    They might be able to remain human inside that and there is a certain amount of arse-kissing that goes around this [business]. But it doesn't do it for us and makes us feel very strange. I mean it feels very strange to us to come to our practice place and see a food table out [for the journalists]. "Wow, that's kinda fancy".

    The comedian Bill Hicks said that the second an artist endorses a product they were off the roll call forever because you could never trust a thing they would say after that.


    Yeah, that's how I feel. I saw something with Wyclef Jean last night for some fucking product and Counting Crows for Coca-Cola or something. Fuck them. Busta Rhymes for anti-perspirant? What the fuck is that? Why? They have a set of morals they can run with and that's fine but I'm just gonna say, "Fuck you".

    I assume no corporate sponsors have come to your management for years because they know of your attitude?

    I don't know. We probably wouldn't hear about it. I remember being asked by the Gap years and years ago to do one of their black and white photos and I even thought about it and taking their $60,000 or whatever and giving it to a charity. But I wanted to say it would go to the charity on the bottom and they wouldn't do it.

    There are older bands which might do it. I question bands' motivations but maybe the Buzzcocks for Toyota, maybe that's okay because maybe they could use a few dollars.

    But times have changed and now it's a way to promote your single as opposed to the video. So now you've got Sheryl Crow doing a video which looks like a Mountain Dew commercial and then you've got that same song being used as an ad two weeks before the record comes out. I think it's clever marketing because it works for everybody, but it also lowers the respect level.

    This is interesting in that it shows that the music industry has got a whole lot smarter in terms of marketing in the past few decades.

    It's diabolical.

    Nice!
  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    lukin2006 wrote:
    If your going to be a sellout just don't preach about greedy corporations or CEO'S or what not.


    THIS.
    Here's a new demo called "in the fire":

    <object height="81" width="100%"> <param name="movie" value="https://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/28998869&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt; <param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param> <embed allowscriptaccess="always" height="81" src="https://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/28998869&quot; type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="100%"></embed> </object> <span><a href=" - In the Fire (demo)</a> by <a href="
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    inlet13 wrote:
    Thought this was relevant:



    You've been quite consistent in that throughout your career. As far as I can tell you've never really put the ego thing out there, which I think is to your credit because this is a business driven by ego. You've managed to step back from that and yet the messages are still the same. Do you see that ego gets in the way of the message, and that you have a big message this time?

    I think we're very fortunate that whatever foundation we laid as far as trust and maybe some communication with the audience -- and I hate to mention it in some kind of sacred way -- but whatever happened there, we've been fortunate that it continues and allows us to do things in a low key way.

    The ego thing doesn't do it for me or us to the point where I see other people doing these MTV diaries or shoving their face at us all the time I immediately distrust them and think they're completely whacked out.

    They might be able to remain human inside that and there is a certain amount of arse-kissing that goes around this [business]. But it doesn't do it for us and makes us feel very strange. I mean it feels very strange to us to come to our practice place and see a food table out [for the journalists]. "Wow, that's kinda fancy".

    The comedian Bill Hicks said that the second an artist endorses a product they were off the roll call forever because you could never trust a thing they would say after that.


    Yeah, that's how I feel. I saw something with Wyclef Jean last night for some fucking product and Counting Crows for Coca-Cola or something. Fuck them. Busta Rhymes for anti-perspirant? What the fuck is that? Why? They have a set of morals they can run with and that's fine but I'm just gonna say, "Fuck you".

    I assume no corporate sponsors have come to your management for years because they know of your attitude?

    I don't know. We probably wouldn't hear about it. I remember being asked by the Gap years and years ago to do one of their black and white photos and I even thought about it and taking their $60,000 or whatever and giving it to a charity. But I wanted to say it would go to the charity on the bottom and they wouldn't do it.

    There are older bands which might do it. I question bands' motivations but maybe the Buzzcocks for Toyota, maybe that's okay because maybe they could use a few dollars.

    But times have changed and now it's a way to promote your single as opposed to the video. So now you've got Sheryl Crow doing a video which looks like a Mountain Dew commercial and then you've got that same song being used as an ad two weeks before the record comes out. I think it's clever marketing because it works for everybody, but it also lowers the respect level.

    This is interesting in that it shows that the music industry has got a whole lot smarter in terms of marketing in the past few decades.

    It's diabolical.

    stone?
  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    polaris_x wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Thought this was relevant:



    You've been quite consistent in that throughout your career. As far as I can tell you've never really put the ego thing out there, which I think is to your credit because this is a business driven by ego. You've managed to step back from that and yet the messages are still the same. Do you see that ego gets in the way of the message, and that you have a big message this time?

    I think we're very fortunate that whatever foundation we laid as far as trust and maybe some communication with the audience -- and I hate to mention it in some kind of sacred way -- but whatever happened there, we've been fortunate that it continues and allows us to do things in a low key way.

    The ego thing doesn't do it for me or us to the point where I see other people doing these MTV diaries or shoving their face at us all the time I immediately distrust them and think they're completely whacked out.

    They might be able to remain human inside that and there is a certain amount of arse-kissing that goes around this [business]. But it doesn't do it for us and makes us feel very strange. I mean it feels very strange to us to come to our practice place and see a food table out [for the journalists]. "Wow, that's kinda fancy".

    The comedian Bill Hicks said that the second an artist endorses a product they were off the roll call forever because you could never trust a thing they would say after that.


    Yeah, that's how I feel. I saw something with Wyclef Jean last night for some fucking product and Counting Crows for Coca-Cola or something. Fuck them. Busta Rhymes for anti-perspirant? What the fuck is that? Why? They have a set of morals they can run with and that's fine but I'm just gonna say, "Fuck you".

    I assume no corporate sponsors have come to your management for years because they know of your attitude?

    I don't know. We probably wouldn't hear about it. I remember being asked by the Gap years and years ago to do one of their black and white photos and I even thought about it and taking their $60,000 or whatever and giving it to a charity. But I wanted to say it would go to the charity on the bottom and they wouldn't do it.

    There are older bands which might do it. I question bands' motivations but maybe the Buzzcocks for Toyota, maybe that's okay because maybe they could use a few dollars.

    But times have changed and now it's a way to promote your single as opposed to the video. So now you've got Sheryl Crow doing a video which looks like a Mountain Dew commercial and then you've got that same song being used as an ad two weeks before the record comes out. I think it's clever marketing because it works for everybody, but it also lowers the respect level.

    This is interesting in that it shows that the music industry has got a whole lot smarter in terms of marketing in the past few decades.

    It's diabolical.

    stone?


    Ed.
    Here's a new demo called "in the fire":

    <object height="81" width="100%"> <param name="movie" value="https://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/28998869&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt; <param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param> <embed allowscriptaccess="always" height="81" src="https://player.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/28998869&quot; type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="100%"></embed> </object> <span><a href=" - In the Fire (demo)</a> by <a href="
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    polaris_x wrote:

    stone?


    Hahaha, do you really think the GAP would want Stone in an ad? That's some funny shit!!!! :lol:
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    polaris_x wrote:

    stone?


    Hahaha, do you really think the GAP would want Stone in an ad? That's some funny shit!!!! :lol:
    So the GAP still exists?

    Man, it has been many years since I've had to walk into a mall.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    at the end of the day the money is still green and I don't care who sez what..the bottom line is always the money,PJ is a business and business's run and thrive on money right ? no harm done !
    this band has been around for 20 + years..right ? it takes more than good music to stay on top with a pocket full of cash.

    Godfather.
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    lukin2006 wrote:
    If your going to be a sellout just don't preach about greedy corporations or CEO'S or what not.

    This is why I'd be surprised if they are doing it solely for money. I won't jump to judgement because I dont know the inner workings of the band and their business. They could easily make the same money doing this gig as doing other shows...so maybe they owe someone a favor or they have other reasons. We dont know, so we should just stick to the music and stop judging just because our first impression is that it goes against their principles.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    to echo what JP said, they played the singles party as a favor to cameron crowe. maybe they know someone at oracle? maybe they are going to play that show and then just donate the proceeds? the bottom line is we don't know, so we should reserve judgement. but like i said, it's their band not mine or yours. they can do what they want.
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    lukin2006 wrote:
    If your going to be a sellout just don't preach about greedy corporations or CEO'S or what not.

    This is why I'd be surprised if they are doing it solely for money. I won't jump to judgement because I dont know the inner workings of the band and their business. They could easily make the same money doing this gig as doing other shows...so maybe they owe someone a favor or they have other reasons. We dont know, so we should just stick to the music and stop judging just because our first impression is that it goes against their principles.


    that's not how it works...jump to the worst conclusion possible immediately or don't come on this message board again
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Who set the standard, born to be rich?
    Such fine examples, skinny little bitch
    Model, role model, roll some models in blood
    Get some flesh to stick, so they MARRY us!!!

    This isn't the first time. Hahahaha. Things change. I have no problem with them getting $ so they can pay their people well and continue to take off 10 months a year. I just wish they toured the US those other 2 months!!!! :lol:
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    If your going to be a sellout just don't preach about greedy corporations or CEO'S or what not.

    This is why I'd be surprised if they are doing it solely for money. I won't jump to judgement because I dont know the inner workings of the band and their business. They could easily make the same money doing this gig as doing other shows...so maybe they owe someone a favor or they have other reasons. We dont know, so we should just stick to the music and stop judging just because our first impression is that it goes against their principles.


    that's not how it works...jump to the worst conclusion possible immediately or don't come on this message board again

    :lol:
    Oh yeah, what I meant was, goddamn Eddie is so greedy! Can I stay? Damn, now I'm a hypocrite too. :fp: :mrgreen:
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353

    :lol:
    Oh yeah, what I meant was, goddamn Eddie is so greedy! Can I stay? Damn, now I'm a hypocrite too. :fp: :mrgreen:


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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    If your going to be a sellout just don't preach about greedy corporations or CEO'S or what not.

    This is why I'd be surprised if they are doing it solely for money. I won't jump to judgement because I dont know the inner workings of the band and their business. They could easily make the same money doing this gig as doing other shows...so maybe they owe someone a favor or they have other reasons. We dont know, so we should just stick to the music and stop judging just because our first impression is that it goes against their principles.


    that's not how it works...jump to the worst conclusion possible immediately or don't come on this message board again

    Of all the concerts I've been to I've really only heard them bitch and man politics...even the politics hasn't been overbearing. I guess I don't know what to make of it...won't stop me from listening to there music or seeing them in concert that's for sure.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited August 2012
    Ya gotta admire Adam Yauch after hearing about all this.

    Beastie Boys star Adam Yauch's will bans use of his music in advertising
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/au ... dvertising

    I think we can agree that we don't know why PJ does what it does and even if the money goes to charity or whatnot, I don't think it's anyone's business but theirs. But I can't help but admire what Yauch and the other Beastie Boys have done regarding corporate use of their music.
    Post edited by Jeanwah on
  • I was at OpenWorld in 2009. It was a wild party. This event was HUGE. OpenWorld has an attendance over 40,000 people every year. At the appreciation event at the Cow Palace, they have 3 or 4 stages set up with open bars and free booze everywhere. Lots of cool cover bands, Joan Jett and Blondie were there, and Elton John was the headliner. Everyone was hammered and having a great time. That party must have cost 10's of millions of dollars to put on. It's ridiculous and awesome.

    Makes me mad that I no longer work with Oracle. As far as corporate gigs go, this is the biggest and best party you can imagine. I'm sure Oracle is giving PJ a crap-ton of $$$ to play this show. PJ is first and foremost entertainers, and Oracle is paying them to do what they do best... put on the best show at the best party.

    I dont see this as a Pearl Jam endorsement of Oracle, just the band getting a big payday for doing what they've spent their lives trying to do best.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Well I re-upped my membership yesterday so I could keep talking to you clowns. :lol:
    that's why i do it every year. i made friend here and we love the music.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,897
    hrd2imagin wrote:
    I was at OpenWorld in 2009. It was a wild party. This event was HUGE. OpenWorld has an attendance over 40,000 people every year. At the appreciation event at the Cow Palace, they have 3 or 4 stages set up with open bars and free booze everywhere. Lots of cool cover bands, Joan Jett and Blondie were there, and Elton John was the headliner. Everyone was hammered and having a great time. That party must have cost 10's of millions of dollars to put on. It's ridiculous and awesome.

    Makes me mad that I no longer work with Oracle. As far as corporate gigs go, this is the biggest and best party you can imagine. I'm sure Oracle is giving PJ a crap-ton of $$$ to play this show. PJ is first and foremost entertainers, and Oracle is paying them to do what they do best... put on the best show at the best party.

    I dont see this as a Pearl Jam endorsement of Oracle, just the band getting a big payday for doing what they've spent their lives trying to do best.

    All I take from this is that Elton John is a sell out. :lol:
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    who the fuck is oracle?
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    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,612
    Depending on your rationale, this is a good way to transfer money from a huge corporation to a group of people who will hopefully put some of the money to good use.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    outch. This one stings a bit.

    Larry Ellison is a lunatic and Oracle loves to just sue the crap out of companies. They really stifle innovation now.

    Their purchase of Sun was just their license to sue anyone in their path.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    this place is funny :lol: people kick down people and issues that don't fit into the ....."free willy" way of thinking on here but soon as PJ does something that has been aginest the popular way of thinking on the train all the sudden "there must be a reason" :lol:

    the reason is money or politics...or both, they are a band and a great band at that so lets just enjoy the music and stop living thru someone elses visions and achievments, it so much eassier that way.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    chadwick wrote:
    who the fuck is oracle?

    sounds like they are the bad guy's..why ? because they have money lawyers and power and now they have PJ :lol:

    Godfather.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    All I take from this is that Elton John is a sell out. :lol:
    Of the highest nature ... he performed at Rush Limbaugh's wedding! :o
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Jason P wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    All I take from this is that Elton John is a sell out. :lol:
    Of the highest nature ... he performed at Rush Limbaugh's wedding! :o

    I doubt Rush Limbaugh is any worse than the CEO of Oracle...except Rush is a Rebublican and I think Oracle's CEO is a democrate. How many of Oracles jobs have been outsourced over seas and how many jobs has Rush outsourced.

    The thing people should take out of this is that PJ has no credibility if they bitch and moan about greedy corporations or CEO's, just like their politics they long ago had no credibility with me about politics.

    They are just a rock band nothing more, nothing less. They love money, they have a certain lifestyle to maintain, they have found a way too maintain that lifestyle with as little work as possible...we just have live with it.
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