PJ to play corporate Oracle Convention

polaris_x

thing is ...

there was an idealism to pearl jam ... i am not part of any other fan club nor do i respect any other celebrity / athlete / etc as much as i did pearl jam ... that idealism is in their songs through and through ... if anyone is gonna stick to an idealism - i would think it's a rock and roll band that has already made a small fortune ...

i know that these guys give a lot of their money to groups and i don't discount the amount of charity work they do as a band or personally ... but there is a part of me that believes that whatever money they are getting for this concert whether it be pure fee or to charity isn't worth the association with a corporate entity ...

Jason P

Hmm ... I wonder if there is any way I can convince my boss to send me to this event :think:

It's not really my field, but with Oracle being so massive, there must be someway to spin it. :angel: :twisted:

hedonist

I have to say, I take much of what they say (actually, what most folks nowadays say, I suppose) with a grain of salt. We saw them in San Diego in 2002 or 2003. Great show - understatement! - as always. But I felt like something was...off...when Ed gave the singer Jewel shit for her Intuition razor commercial, yet he's had no problem with the Who providing their music to commercials and television.

Like inlet said, we ARE all hypocrites. Maybe some more than others, or some more consistently than others, but we all are to some degree. We choose which politics we want to pay attention to, which companies we want to boycott. (edit - and the ones we decide aren't worth our attention)



Cherry-picking.

(btw, I wonder if Oracle will have the concert streamed?)

Jason P

hedonist wrote:

(btw, I wonder if Oracle will have the concert streamed?)

I don't know if they have the technology to pull it off.

It would be a slap to the face if they didn't.

Johnny Abruzzo

Jason P wrote:

hedonist wrote:

(btw, I wonder if Oracle will have the concert streamed?)

I don't know if they have the technology to pull it off.

lukin2006

I think people may not like to admit this...they have a lot of money, they like money, they are addicted to money...they have a certain lifestyle to maintain...in order to maintain that lifestyle they need money...a big difference between them and a lot of other bands is that they now seem to want to do less work and still continue to be handsomely paid.

Cosmo

HEY!!!
I'm an Oracle DBA! I should try to get work to send me up there. I need to brush up on Oracle 12c.

Jason P

Cosmo wrote:

HEY!!!
I'm an Oracle DBA! I should try to get work to send me up there. I need to brush up on Oracle 12c.

Psst.

hedonist

Cosmo wrote:

HEY!!!
I'm an Oracle DBA! I should try to get work to send me up there. I need to brush up on Oracle 12c.

Ha! I KNEW I'd heard of Oracle somewhere.

You could be our local correspondent :P

Jeanwah

ComeToTX wrote:

I'm more upset that they'll play a show like this and not a regular show. Disappointing.

Yeah, right. Especially seeing that in the past two years they will have played a total of 7 shows in the U.S., 3 of them being festival shows, 1 being a political benefit concert, and 1 being a corporate gig. Makes me wonder where the future is heading...

Zoso

Jeanwah wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

I'm more upset that they'll play a show like this and not a regular show. Disappointing.

Yeah, right. Especially seeing that in the past two years they will have played a total of 7 shows in the U.S., 3 of them being festival shows, 1 being a political benefit concert, and 1 being a corporate gig. Makes me wonder where the future is heading...

it's heading no where and fast

Cosmo

Personally... I am much different today, than I was when I was in my 20s.
I don't have a problem with Pearl Jam playing at Openworld. It's a good gig... short set with a massive payday... no permits to pull and all that crap. just show up, pound out the hits and eat the free food. Hell, if I had talent, I'd do it.
And I don't have a wife and kids to support in a occupation where your bread and butter is no longer in music and more and more reliant on live shows and merchandising. I keep getting a steady paycheck as long as I can stay employed.
Anyway... I don't have a problem with bands playing corporate gigs. I would think it would be kind of fun... you know, making fun of them while taking a bunch of their money.

gimmesometruth27

i'm not really angry about it, after all it is THEIR band, they get to decide where they play and why. i don't begrudge them that. they have earned that right after 21 years.

i will say that if this were nickelback or creed playing this thing we would all be pointing and laughing at them and bashing them and calling them sellouts for playing such an event. i guess it all comes down to doing whatever it is that you think you and your band need to do, and doing it in a way where you come out of it with your integrity somewhat intact..

inlet13

Thought this was relevant:



You've been quite consistent in that throughout your career. As far as I can tell you've never really put the ego thing out there, which I think is to your credit because this is a business driven by ego. You've managed to step back from that and yet the messages are still the same. Do you see that ego gets in the way of the message, and that you have a big message this time?

I think we're very fortunate that whatever foundation we laid as far as trust and maybe some communication with the audience -- and I hate to mention it in some kind of sacred way -- but whatever happened there, we've been fortunate that it continues and allows us to do things in a low key way.

The ego thing doesn't do it for me or us to the point where I see other people doing these MTV diaries or shoving their face at us all the time I immediately distrust them and think they're completely whacked out.

They might be able to remain human inside that and there is a certain amount of arse-kissing that goes around this [business]. But it doesn't do it for us and makes us feel very strange. I mean it feels very strange to us to come to our practice place and see a food table out [for the journalists]. "Wow, that's kinda fancy".

The comedian Bill Hicks said that the second an artist endorses a product they were off the roll call forever because you could never trust a thing they would say after that.

Yeah, that's how I feel. I saw something with Wyclef Jean last night for some fucking product and Counting Crows for Coca-Cola or something. Fuck them. Busta Rhymes for anti-perspirant? What the fuck is that? Why? They have a set of morals they can run with and that's fine but I'm just gonna say, "Fuck you".

I assume no corporate sponsors have come to your management for years because they know of your attitude?

I don't know. We probably wouldn't hear about it. I remember being asked by the Gap years and years ago to do one of their black and white photos and I even thought about it and taking their $60,000 or whatever and giving it to a charity. But I wanted to say it would go to the charity on the bottom and they wouldn't do it.

There are older bands which might do it. I question bands' motivations but maybe the Buzzcocks for Toyota, maybe that's okay because maybe they could use a few dollars.

But times have changed and now it's a way to promote your single as opposed to the video. So now you've got Sheryl Crow doing a video which looks like a Mountain Dew commercial and then you've got that same song being used as an ad two weeks before the record comes out. I think it's clever marketing because it works for everybody, but it also lowers the respect level.

This is interesting in that it shows that the music industry has got a whole lot smarter in terms of marketing in the past few decades.

It's diabolical.

lukin2006

If your going to be a sellout just don't preach about greedy corporations or CEO'S or what not.

BinauralJam

inlet13 wrote:

Thought this was relevant:



You've been quite consistent in that throughout your career. As far as I can tell you've never really put the ego thing out there, which I think is to your credit because this is a business driven by ego. You've managed to step back from that and yet the messages are still the same. Do you see that ego gets in the way of the message, and that you have a big message this time?

I think we're very fortunate that whatever foundation we laid as far as trust and maybe some communication with the audience -- and I hate to mention it in some kind of sacred way -- but whatever happened there, we've been fortunate that it continues and allows us to do things in a low key way.

The ego thing doesn't do it for me or us to the point where I see other people doing these MTV diaries or shoving their face at us all the time I immediately distrust them and think they're completely whacked out.

They might be able to remain human inside that and there is a certain amount of arse-kissing that goes around this [business]. But it doesn't do it for us and makes us feel very strange. I mean it feels very strange to us to come to our practice place and see a food table out [for the journalists]. "Wow, that's kinda fancy".

The comedian Bill Hicks said that the second an artist endorses a product they were off the roll call forever because you could never trust a thing they would say after that.

Yeah, that's how I feel. I saw something with Wyclef Jean last night for some fucking product and Counting Crows for Coca-Cola or something. Fuck them. Busta Rhymes for anti-perspirant? What the fuck is that? Why? They have a set of morals they can run with and that's fine but I'm just gonna say, "Fuck you".

I assume no corporate sponsors have come to your management for years because they know of your attitude?

I don't know. We probably wouldn't hear about it. I remember being asked by the Gap years and years ago to do one of their black and white photos and I even thought about it and taking their $60,000 or whatever and giving it to a charity. But I wanted to say it would go to the charity on the bottom and they wouldn't do it.

There are older bands which might do it. I question bands' motivations but maybe the Buzzcocks for Toyota, maybe that's okay because maybe they could use a few dollars.

But times have changed and now it's a way to promote your single as opposed to the video. So now you've got Sheryl Crow doing a video which looks like a Mountain Dew commercial and then you've got that same song being used as an ad two weeks before the record comes out. I think it's clever marketing because it works for everybody, but it also lowers the respect level.

This is interesting in that it shows that the music industry has got a whole lot smarter in terms of marketing in the past few decades.

It's diabolical.

Nice!

inlet13

lukin2006 wrote:

If your going to be a sellout just don't preach about greedy corporations or CEO'S or what not.

THIS.

polaris_x

inlet13 wrote:

Thought this was relevant:



You've been quite consistent in that throughout your career. As far as I can tell you've never really put the ego thing out there, which I think is to your credit because this is a business driven by ego. You've managed to step back from that and yet the messages are still the same. Do you see that ego gets in the way of the message, and that you have a big message this time?

I think we're very fortunate that whatever foundation we laid as far as trust and maybe some communication with the audience -- and I hate to mention it in some kind of sacred way -- but whatever happened there, we've been fortunate that it continues and allows us to do things in a low key way.

The ego thing doesn't do it for me or us to the point where I see other people doing these MTV diaries or shoving their face at us all the time I immediately distrust them and think they're completely whacked out.

They might be able to remain human inside that and there is a certain amount of arse-kissing that goes around this [business]. But it doesn't do it for us and makes us feel very strange. I mean it feels very strange to us to come to our practice place and see a food table out [for the journalists]. "Wow, that's kinda fancy".

The comedian Bill Hicks said that the second an artist endorses a product they were off the roll call forever because you could never trust a thing they would say after that.

Yeah, that's how I feel. I saw something with Wyclef Jean last night for some fucking product and Counting Crows for Coca-Cola or something. Fuck them. Busta Rhymes for anti-perspirant? What the fuck is that? Why? They have a set of morals they can run with and that's fine but I'm just gonna say, "Fuck you".

I assume no corporate sponsors have come to your management for years because they know of your attitude?

I don't know. We probably wouldn't hear about it. I remember being asked by the Gap years and years ago to do one of their black and white photos and I even thought about it and taking their $60,000 or whatever and giving it to a charity. But I wanted to say it would go to the charity on the bottom and they wouldn't do it.

There are older bands which might do it. I question bands' motivations but maybe the Buzzcocks for Toyota, maybe that's okay because maybe they could use a few dollars.

But times have changed and now it's a way to promote your single as opposed to the video. So now you've got Sheryl Crow doing a video which looks like a Mountain Dew commercial and then you've got that same song being used as an ad two weeks before the record comes out. I think it's clever marketing because it works for everybody, but it also lowers the respect level.

This is interesting in that it shows that the music industry has got a whole lot smarter in terms of marketing in the past few decades.

It's diabolical.

stone?

inlet13

polaris_x wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Thought this was relevant:



You've been quite consistent in that throughout your career. As far as I can tell you've never really put the ego thing out there, which I think is to your credit because this is a business driven by ego. You've managed to step back from that and yet the messages are still the same. Do you see that ego gets in the way of the message, and that you have a big message this time?

I think we're very fortunate that whatever foundation we laid as far as trust and maybe some communication with the audience -- and I hate to mention it in some kind of sacred way -- but whatever happened there, we've been fortunate that it continues and allows us to do things in a low key way.

The ego thing doesn't do it for me or us to the point where I see other people doing these MTV diaries or shoving their face at us all the time I immediately distrust them and think they're completely whacked out.

They might be able to remain human inside that and there is a certain amount of arse-kissing that goes around this [business]. But it doesn't do it for us and makes us feel very strange. I mean it feels very strange to us to come to our practice place and see a food table out [for the journalists]. "Wow, that's kinda fancy".

The comedian Bill Hicks said that the second an artist endorses a product they were off the roll call forever because you could never trust a thing they would say after that.

Yeah, that's how I feel. I saw something with Wyclef Jean last night for some fucking product and Counting Crows for Coca-Cola or something. Fuck them. Busta Rhymes for anti-perspirant? What the fuck is that? Why? They have a set of morals they can run with and that's fine but I'm just gonna say, "Fuck you".

I assume no corporate sponsors have come to your management for years because they know of your attitude?

I don't know. We probably wouldn't hear about it. I remember being asked by the Gap years and years ago to do one of their black and white photos and I even thought about it and taking their $60,000 or whatever and giving it to a charity. But I wanted to say it would go to the charity on the bottom and they wouldn't do it.

There are older bands which might do it. I question bands' motivations but maybe the Buzzcocks for Toyota, maybe that's okay because maybe they could use a few dollars.

But times have changed and now it's a way to promote your single as opposed to the video. So now you've got Sheryl Crow doing a video which looks like a Mountain Dew commercial and then you've got that same song being used as an ad two weeks before the record comes out. I think it's clever marketing because it works for everybody, but it also lowers the respect level.

This is interesting in that it shows that the music industry has got a whole lot smarter in terms of marketing in the past few decades.

It's diabolical.

stone?

Ed.

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

stone?

Hahaha, do you really think the GAP would want Stone in an ad? That's some funny shit!!!!