Whether you agree with Ryan's budget plan or not ... at least he actually put together a budget plan. How many of our 533 elected officials can make such a claim?
The GOP can't attack Obama's specific budget plan because it doesn't exist. Savvy move by Obama.
well ... it goes back to what i was saying ... the political discourse is a joke ... everything is smoke and mirrors and the only consistency is fraud ...
Whether you agree with Ryan's budget plan or not ... at least he actually put together a budget plan. How many of our 533 elected officials can make such a claim?
The GOP can't attack Obama's specific budget plan because it doesn't exist. Savvy move by Obama.
Whether you agree with Ryan's budget plan or not ... at least he actually put together a budget plan. How many of our 533 elected officials can make such a claim?
The GOP can't attack Obama's specific budget plan because it doesn't exist. Savvy move by Obama.
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Whether you agree with Ryan's budget plan or not ... at least he actually put together a budget plan. How many of our 533 elected officials can make such a claim?
The GOP can't attack Obama's specific budget plan because it doesn't exist. Savvy move by Obama.
Whether you agree with Ryan's budget plan or not ... at least he actually put together a budget plan. How many of our 533 elected officials can make such a claim?
The GOP can't attack Obama's specific budget plan because it doesn't exist. Savvy move by Obama.
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Whether you agree with Ryan's budget plan or not ... at least he actually put together a budget plan. How many of our 533 elected officials can make such a claim?
The GOP can't attack Obama's specific budget plan because it doesn't exist. Savvy move by Obama.
Sometimes I can't keep track of this shit - maybe. They did put out a budget though. I think they have to (but they Senate "has to" as well :? ).
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Perhaps you meant that the Senate has not put forth a budget, which would be true.
Oh yeah ... the senate never passed it ... :think: ...that's what I meant all along
Yeah! That's the ticket! :P
I'm here to help.
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For all this talk of free handouts and people leeching off the system and paying nothing back i call bullshit. I'm the oldest of 8. When it was just my two sisters and myself my mother stayed at home with us and my dad got laid off from a Union job (yeah that shit is possible despite what republicans might have you believe). So we had nothing, my dad worked on a neighbors farm to keep paying off our mortgage and we went on welfare. He would bounce back and forth at the Union job, until the company decided to outsource its labor effectively destroying its local labor force. He eventually landed a non-union job 2 hours south in a more expensive area to live. By that point there were 6 kids and my 2 parents living in a 2 bedroom 1 bath rental, we were on WiC, got free and reduced lunches, (though my parents refused to stay on food stamps after he got his job my mom started daycare for teachers to make ends meet on the food front), and got reduction on tuition to college. Just to let you know how glorious this leaching felt, we would often wear hand-me-downs from other kids at our high school (or for my younger sibs from older sibs) so that everyone knew we were relatively poor. Did we let that hold us down? Fuck no. Did it really fucking suck not only knowing that other people had it much more comfortable but also that they knew we were poor? Yes.
Regardless, for the oldest 6, 4 of us went to community college, and went on to earn our 2 and 4 year degrees. The other two went straight to state school and graduated in 4 years. 3 of us have gone on to earn our Masters, and I have a PhD. None of this would have happened without those government handouts some of you are bitching about. Where would we be without it? I don't even want to know, but we are all able to provide things for our children that our parents (leaches to some of you here) couldn't provide to us financially - even though they tried their best. Did some people at the welfare and wic office take from the system and give nothing back? Probably, but the type of living someone in that situation is going through for "free" isn't some fucking paradise island. All I know is that without welfare I probably wouldn't be here and I'll be damed if I take that option away from another human being because it's not my problem to worry about.
that's awesome that you were able to overcome your situation and better yourself. I wish more people would take this course of action. Unfortunately I think you are an exception to the rule.
The only kids I feel the responsibility to send to college are my own. The sense of entitlement in this country is deplorable. Is it really asking too much to take care of yourself??
The craziness towards Obama is greater than in 2008, the insanity towards Mitt is perhaps a few notches under what was there for Palin but not by much, and now Ryan's VP nod seems to be getting prepped to have Palin level of absurdity. 2008 with McCain, it was at least tampered down a bit on him. There's only so much you could go stupid about with him. And Biden's just....Biden. He's like the crazy uncle you laugh at when he does something dumb but everyone forgets about immediately after. It just seems this year its to a level beyond what it was in the past.
Once the debates start and we have the mad dash to the actual election is when things might actually get interesting from an observer stand point. The conversation could evolve to actual issues rather than Romney being Dr. Mahnattan or Obama's school records.
At this point Mickey Mouse could actually get elected because let's be honest here, no matter who gets the seat, not much is going to change. Get the season over with and we can start ratcheting down to normal levels of political stupidity.
that's awesome that you were able to overcome your situation and better yourself. I wish more people would take this course of action. Unfortunately I think you are an exception to the rule.
The only kids I feel the responsibility to send to college are my own. The sense of entitlement in this country is deplorable. Is it really asking too much to take care of yourself??
The actual rule is that the majority of people on public assistance are so in the short term, not the long term.
For all this talk of free handouts and people leeching off the system and paying nothing back i call bullshit. I'm the oldest of 8. When it was just my two sisters and myself my mother stayed at home with us and my dad got laid off from a Union job (yeah that shit is possible despite what republicans might have you believe). So we had nothing, my dad worked on a neighbors farm to keep paying off our mortgage and we went on welfare. He would bounce back and forth at the Union job, until the company decided to outsource its labor effectively destroying its local labor force. He eventually landed a non-union job 2 hours south in a more expensive area to live. By that point there were 6 kids and my 2 parents living in a 2 bedroom 1 bath rental, we were on WiC, got free and reduced lunches, (though my parents refused to stay on food stamps after he got his job my mom started daycare for teachers to make ends meet on the food front), and got reduction on tuition to college. Just to let you know how glorious this leaching felt, we would often wear hand-me-downs from other kids at our high school (or for my younger sibs from older sibs) so that everyone knew we were relatively poor. Did we let that hold us down? Fuck no. Did it really fucking suck not only knowing that other people had it much more comfortable but also that they knew we were poor? Yes.
Regardless, for the oldest 6, 4 of us went to community college, and went on to earn our 2 and 4 year degrees. The other two went straight to state school and graduated in 4 years. 3 of us have gone on to earn our Masters, and I have a PhD. None of this would have happened without those government handouts some of you are bitching about. Where would we be without it? I don't even want to know, but we are all able to provide things for our children that our parents (leaches to some of you here) couldn't provide to us financially - even though they tried their best. Did some people at the welfare and wic office take from the system and give nothing back? Probably, but the type of living someone in that situation is going through for "free" isn't some fucking paradise island. All I know is that without welfare I probably wouldn't be here and I'll be damed if I take that option away from another human being because it's not my problem to worry about.
that's awesome that you were able to overcome your situation and better yourself. I wish more people would take this course of action. Unfortunately I think you are an exception to the rule.
The only kids I feel the responsibility to send to college are my own. The sense of entitlement in this country is deplorable. Is it really asking too much to take care of yourself??
as beaver pointed out few people stay on assistance for a long time. further those that do don't really often get the "good life" of free living that often gets portrayed. for those that do it's certainly frustrating and deplorable. regardless fixer you are posing a very philosophical argument here, and not one without merit. to me, if we are to be the greatest country WE can be then it's on all of us to help make it happen. i personally don't believe that my siblings, my parents (my dad now gets paid in the upper 70s with the 2 little ones enjoying things we never dreamed of), and myself made it where we got without others help/luck/whatever plus hard work. our taxes, and government (as inefficient as it can be) provides safety, roads, schooling and so on that were designed to do that. could it do better sure. am i sad that i get taxed to help others get there not at all. personally, i'd be down with your theory and full free markets if and only if every single person started at 0. in this dream scenario my parents and their financial situation would have no bearing on who i became because no parent would be allowed to help their child go to a better school, get better things, whatever through money. we would test every child every so often and they would get ranked and go to schools based on their schools. that way paris hilton doesnt get to skate through life on her name, she has to literally earn every step of the way. if i am to understand your scenario correctly then we would all be guided by economics which by default gives everyone an unequal playing field to fight through life on. if we do that then we don't allow the most talented, bright, hardest working individuals to rise to the top naturally. further i don't believe that any free market could every be totally free outside of social contexts deciding what is worth more or less than someone else. put differently my son and next child will have advantages that they didn't earn at all. colin+ gets the benefit of good schooling (free college if i don't get fired) and a comfortable way to move forward through his life that i never got. he+ will have so many things helping him that they don't deserve and they will know that from a young age. that's my way of thinking and it could be wrong.
There have been many times I've given things of mine to people I thought needed them more. Maybe that makes me weak or stupid. Or just someone who realizes that sometimes we all need help.
I commend you for doing good deeds. My problem with the Democratic party's line of thinking regarding handouts is that I don't like being told what to do. I especially don't like being told how I have to spend my money. So I have a difficult time backing a candidate who forces me to contribute tax dollars to federal programs that 'help' the unfortunate. If I want to help these types of people I should have the option of donating my time or money to their respective charity. My belief is that I should take care of me and my family first...everyone else is a distant second.
The older I get the more these handouts bother me.
And how do you feel about your tax dollars paying for criminal wars of occupation, and for $4 Billion of American tax dollars being used as military aid to Israel every year?
Or do you only have a problem with the % of your tax money that goes towards helping the poor and unfortunate in America?
Tossing money to the government to solve problems rarely solves anything. In fact, many times it creates additional problems.
So you think the government should be severely reduced so that we end up in a situation where Capitalism and privilege are given complete freedom to run amok, and everyone just fends for themselves in a dog-eat-dog World, with no regulations, and no accountability? Just let the mega-rich cream away all the wealth and let everyone else sink to the bottom. Fuck welfare, fuck medical aid, and fuck all public services, right?
Though just out of curiosity, where would you be sitting in this scheme of things if it came to pass? Would you benefit from such reckless, uninhibited greed and anarchy, or would you sink with the 99% of people? Because unless you are one of the mega-rich then I fail to see your motivation here.
As you know Soc Security covers people of all ages not just our elderly.
I wonder what the stats are on that?
Maybe you could help her...
Obviously I would try to help her if this came to pass (although even Ryan exempts those currently over 55 from his voucher program).
I read the new proposal of 2012 gives vouchers to seniors on the premium support plan ...
the most recent written by Wyden/Ryan ...
The Ryan-Wyden plan is the latest twist on an idea called that wonks call “premium support.” Today, most seniors enroll in the traditional government insurance program. Those who want other options are free to shop around for alternatives through what’s known as the “Medicare Advantage” program, in which private insurers make available regulated insurance policies. Under a premium support system, all seniors would shop around. The government would simply issue every person over 65 a voucher (at least in the figurative sense). In most schemes, seniors would pay extra for joining plans that cost more than the vouchers and receive rebates for joining plans that cost less than the vouchers.
Many seniors coming up in the next 30 years will have retirement plans in place
and long term care insurance, better prepared.
This will help with medical costs.
And the poor of any age should be taken care of by a caring society,
I think most feel this way.
Tossing money to the government to solve problems rarely solves anything. In fact, many times it creates additional problems.
So you think the government should be severely reduced so that we end up in a situation where Capitalism and privilege are given complete freedom to run amok, and everyone just fends for themselves in a dog-eat-dog World, with no regulations, and no accountability? Just let the mega-rich cream away all the wealth and let everyone else sink to the bottom. Fuck welfare, fuck medical aid, and fuck all public services, right?
Though just out of curiosity, where would you be sitting in this scheme of things if it came to pass? Would you benefit from such reckless, uninhibited greed and anarchy, or would you sink with the 99% of people? Because unless you are one of the mega-rich then I fail to see your motivation here.
always adding a twist or words to someone elses statement...you my friend are the hidden fan of FOXNEWS
Tossing money to the government to solve problems rarely solves anything. In fact, many times it creates additional problems.
So you think the government should be severely reduced so that we end up in a situation where Capitalism and privilege are given complete freedom to run amok, and everyone just fends for themselves in a dog-eat-dog World, with no regulations, and no accountability? Just let the mega-rich cream away all the wealth and let everyone else sink to the bottom. Fuck welfare, fuck medical aid, and fuck all public services, right?
Though just out of curiosity, where would you be sitting in this scheme of things if it came to pass? Would you benefit from such reckless, uninhibited greed and anarchy, or would you sink with the 99% of people? Because unless you are one of the mega-rich then I fail to see your motivation here.
always adding a twist or words to someone elses statement...you my friend are the hidden fan of FOXNEWS
Godfather.
Not twisting anyone's words, just drawing out the logical conclusions to the above train of thought. Isn't that what the Teapartiers keep harping on about? Reducing the power of government, and letting money and big business rule the roost?
Not twisting anyone's words, just drawing out the logical conclusions to the above train of thought. Isn't that what the Teapartiers keep harping on about? Reducing the power of government, and letting money and big business rule the roost?
A very valid question to which I doubt you'll get a reply.
Many seniors coming up in the next 30 years will have retirement plans in place
and long term care insurance, better prepared.
This will help with medical costs.
And the poor of any age should be taken care of by a caring society,
I think most feel this way.
Wow, I almost fell out of my chair when I read this. You know that defined benefit plans are in a free fall right now, right? Well, I work in the industry, and guess what, they are. Corporate America is just not interested in dealing with defined benefit pension plans (and for some good reasons). I don't know anybody with long term care insurance. When it comes down to it, who really wants to think of themselves ending up in a nursing home (although many of us will, of course)? Bottom line is future generations (and the current generation) of "retirees" are going to be in dire straits. DB plans are going, going, gone, Social Security is under attack by the Right Wing (and probably needs some downward adjustment in benefits to keep solvent), and 401(k) plans are a sick joke as a retirement plan (How would you ever know if you have enough money to live out your days? What if you wanted to retiree at the end of 2008? ).
Most feel the poor should be taken care of? Are you reading this thread? The Ryan Budget rips the "caring society" pledge to shreds, FYI. If you really feel the "poor should be taken care of by a caring society" then a vote for Romney/Ryan is in complete contradiction with that.
Personally I do not really agree with your statement. This is capitalism, and nobody should be "taken care of" unless there is some special circumstance. I just think we should keep the programs that help out those who have bottomed out for whatever reason, to help them back on their feet, like RW's parents & Prince of Dorkness, both of which are great success stories of the welfare programs of their respective countries. But it should just be a temporary thing, and then you're back to work and "taking care" of yourself.
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And how do you feel about your tax dollars paying for criminal wars of occupation, and for $4 Billion of American tax dollars being used as military aid to Israel every year?
Or do you only have a problem with the % of your tax money that goes towards helping the poor and unfortunate in America?
This is just beautiful.
Paul Ryan Budget has ZERO cuts in military spending. Nice job buddy. :roll:
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Besides, when these corporations are more regulated, all they do is fund politicians that vote and address legislation in their favor. By taking that away, you take away the power they seek.
Many seniors coming up in the next 30 years will have retirement plans in place
and long term care insurance, better prepared.
This will help with medical costs.
And the poor of any age should be taken care of by a caring society,
I think most feel this way.
Wow, I almost fell out of my chair when I read this. You know that defined benefit plans are in a free fall right now, right? Well, I work in the industry, and guess what, they are. Corporate America is just not interested in dealing with defined benefit pension plans (and for some good reasons). I don't know anybody with long term care insurance. When it comes down to it, who really wants to think of themselves ending up in a nursing home (although many of us will, of course)? Bottom line is future generations (and the current generation) of "retirees" are going to be in dire straits. DB plans are going, going, gone, Social Security is under attack by the Right Wing (and probably needs some downward adjustment in benefits to keep solvent), and 401(k) plans are a sick joke as a retirement plan (How would you ever know if you have enough money to live out your days? What if you wanted to retiree at the end of 2008? ).
Most feel the poor should be taken care of? Are you reading this thread? The Ryan Budget rips the "caring society" pledge to shreds, FYI. If you really feel the "poor should be taken care of by a caring society" then a vote for Romney/Ryan is in complete contradiction with that.
Personally I do not really agree with your statement. This is capitalism, and nobody should be "taken care of" unless there is some special circumstance. I just think we should keep the programs that help out those who have bottomed out for whatever reason, to help them back on their feet, like RW's parents & Prince of Dorkness, both of which are great success stories of the welfare programs of their respective countries. But it should just be a temporary thing, and then you're back to work and "taking care" of yourself.
I call poor a special circumstance with many factors involved.
Obviously there are casualties of capitalism too.
And of course a temporary thing ... welfare ...in a perfect world
but we got babies making babies and no jobs to go around.
You don't need to tell me about 401k's
and the losses as far as benefit plans, we are employers so
I understand the lack of those forthcoming,
we being a pefect example of the changes from the 90's.
I do believe though that many more are planning ahead
at least than my parents generation.
Wanted to retire in 2008? ... how old would this person be?
Crap everyone wants to retire ...
I think many in my generation, being 56 pictured themselves being able to
and I know a very few who are.
No one needs to retire before 65 and these days should plan on working at something
well into their 70's if they can physically and mentally. Work is good for a body.
We are planning on this for sure, if we live that long and the ship doesn't sink before that.
As far as the thread I was addressing most people out there want to see the truly poor
helped. This I believe.
And yes I realize this is not necessarily the agenda of the Republicans
and the Democrats are more suited to this but I am an Independent who is weighing
all factors.
I want fraud taken care of,
I want the truly hungry fed not those driving Cadillacs,
I want community service to be mandatory for all,
and now the newest thing ...
do the poor really need cell phones?
and in a way that the phone companies make millions doing so?
And fraud is now rampant with the phones themselves, triple users on one account etc.
estimating billions :wtf:
The working class is being taken advantage of. So which party will ever represent them?...
not the Democrats as we are seeing. Not the Republicans but through corporations doing better
the middle class will get jobs back. They want to work and our President has failed at this.
Paul Ryan Budget has ZERO cuts in military spending. Nice job buddy. :roll:
Did you expect there would be?
I hope the budget has provisions for returning military who can not find jobs with the current
problems. I want them taken care of... actually I hope to hire some if the economy can improve.
So you think the government should be severely reduced so that we end up in a situation where Capitalism and privilege are given complete freedom to run amok, and everyone just fends for themselves in a dog-eat-dog World, with no regulations, and no accountability?
Wow. And this is where you went.
I think government should be reduced yes. But, my point here was that tossing money at the government rarely solves anything - instead it can create additional problems. Where you got the rest of this stuff from is - um - I don't know?
Just let the mega-rich cream away all the wealth and let everyone else sink to the bottom. Fuck welfare, fuck medical aid, and fuck all public services, right?
Hmmm... I don't believe I said all that. My point had to do with this - if you have a problem. Government is often not the best source to correct the problem. Particularly in this day and age when people really think that spending more always makes things better. So, more money is not always a solution. Further, the government rarely corrects problems. Finally, our government's broke by the way.
Though just out of curiosity, where would you be sitting in this scheme of things if it came to pass? Would you benefit from such reckless, uninhibited greed and anarchy, or would you sink with the 99% of people? Because unless you are one of the mega-rich then I fail to see your motivation here.
Not sure what scheme your mentioning. Are you speaking of the one you just concocted in your head and regurgitated here on this forum?
Wanted to retire in 2008? ... how old would this person be?
Crap everyone wants to retire ...
How about, was forced into retirement in 2008, with their 401(k) having just lost 40%.
This thing about working until one's 70s is a fantasy. Corporations have no desire to have 70-year olds working for them. They want to clear these people out and hire younger, cheaper labor. Yeah yeah, there are age discrimination laws. But they are a joke. Corporations can easily just get rid of the old people whenever they want, and get cheaper employees (or outsourcing) in their place. Workers have no rights. So now you're going from, say, an engineering job to being a greeter at Wal-Mart. If that's what you want to call "working" then great, but it's not going to pay the mortgage, or the greatly increased health insurance costs because of Ryan's voucher program.
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i wasn't just referring to medicare ...
well ... it goes back to what i was saying ... the political discourse is a joke ... everything is smoke and mirrors and the only consistency is fraud ...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/overview
Looks like a budget. Smells like a budget.
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Is that the budget the senate voted down 99-0?
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Mexico=1, Colombia=1
Perhaps you meant that the Senate has not put forth a budget, which would be true.
Everything about this Congress (both sides) is horrible:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/13/13-reasons-why-this-is-the-worst-congress-ever/
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Yeah! That's the ticket! :P
Sometimes I can't keep track of this shit - maybe. They did put out a budget though. I think they have to (but they Senate "has to" as well :? ).
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I'm here to help.
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that's awesome that you were able to overcome your situation and better yourself. I wish more people would take this course of action. Unfortunately I think you are an exception to the rule.
The only kids I feel the responsibility to send to college are my own. The sense of entitlement in this country is deplorable. Is it really asking too much to take care of yourself??
Once the debates start and we have the mad dash to the actual election is when things might actually get interesting from an observer stand point. The conversation could evolve to actual issues rather than Romney being Dr. Mahnattan or Obama's school records.
At this point Mickey Mouse could actually get elected because let's be honest here, no matter who gets the seat, not much is going to change. Get the season over with and we can start ratcheting down to normal levels of political stupidity.
Me too.
The actual rule is that the majority of people on public assistance are so in the short term, not the long term.
And how do you feel about your tax dollars paying for criminal wars of occupation, and for $4 Billion of American tax dollars being used as military aid to Israel every year?
Or do you only have a problem with the % of your tax money that goes towards helping the poor and unfortunate in America?
So you think the government should be severely reduced so that we end up in a situation where Capitalism and privilege are given complete freedom to run amok, and everyone just fends for themselves in a dog-eat-dog World, with no regulations, and no accountability? Just let the mega-rich cream away all the wealth and let everyone else sink to the bottom. Fuck welfare, fuck medical aid, and fuck all public services, right?
Though just out of curiosity, where would you be sitting in this scheme of things if it came to pass? Would you benefit from such reckless, uninhibited greed and anarchy, or would you sink with the 99% of people? Because unless you are one of the mega-rich then I fail to see your motivation here.
the most recent written by Wyden/Ryan ...
The Ryan-Wyden plan is the latest twist on an idea called that wonks call “premium support.” Today, most seniors enroll in the traditional government insurance program. Those who want other options are free to shop around for alternatives through what’s known as the “Medicare Advantage” program, in which private insurers make available regulated insurance policies. Under a premium support system, all seniors would shop around. The government would simply issue every person over 65 a voucher (at least in the figurative sense). In most schemes, seniors would pay extra for joining plans that cost more than the vouchers and receive rebates for joining plans that cost less than the vouchers.
Many seniors coming up in the next 30 years will have retirement plans in place
and long term care insurance, better prepared.
This will help with medical costs.
And the poor of any age should be taken care of by a caring society,
I think most feel this way.
Godfather.
Not twisting anyone's words, just drawing out the logical conclusions to the above train of thought. Isn't that what the Teapartiers keep harping on about? Reducing the power of government, and letting money and big business rule the roost?
I'm just not good at that stuff but I enjoy reading yours and a a few others.
Godfather.
A very valid question to which I doubt you'll get a reply.
Wow, I almost fell out of my chair when I read this. You know that defined benefit plans are in a free fall right now, right? Well, I work in the industry, and guess what, they are. Corporate America is just not interested in dealing with defined benefit pension plans (and for some good reasons). I don't know anybody with long term care insurance. When it comes down to it, who really wants to think of themselves ending up in a nursing home (although many of us will, of course)? Bottom line is future generations (and the current generation) of "retirees" are going to be in dire straits. DB plans are going, going, gone, Social Security is under attack by the Right Wing (and probably needs some downward adjustment in benefits to keep solvent), and 401(k) plans are a sick joke as a retirement plan (How would you ever know if you have enough money to live out your days? What if you wanted to retiree at the end of 2008?
Most feel the poor should be taken care of? Are you reading this thread? The Ryan Budget rips the "caring society" pledge to shreds, FYI. If you really feel the "poor should be taken care of by a caring society" then a vote for Romney/Ryan is in complete contradiction with that.
Personally I do not really agree with your statement. This is capitalism, and nobody should be "taken care of" unless there is some special circumstance. I just think we should keep the programs that help out those who have bottomed out for whatever reason, to help them back on their feet, like RW's parents & Prince of Dorkness, both of which are great success stories of the welfare programs of their respective countries. But it should just be a temporary thing, and then you're back to work and "taking care" of yourself.
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This is just beautiful.
Paul Ryan Budget has ZERO cuts in military spending. Nice job buddy. :roll:
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They don't already?
Besides, when these corporations are more regulated, all they do is fund politicians that vote and address legislation in their favor. By taking that away, you take away the power they seek.
Obviously there are casualties of capitalism too.
And of course a temporary thing ... welfare ...in a perfect world
but we got babies making babies and no jobs to go around.
You don't need to tell me about 401k's
and the losses as far as benefit plans, we are employers so
I understand the lack of those forthcoming,
we being a pefect example of the changes from the 90's.
I do believe though that many more are planning ahead
at least than my parents generation.
Wanted to retire in 2008? ... how old would this person be?
Crap everyone wants to retire
I think many in my generation, being 56 pictured themselves being able to
and I know a very few who are.
No one needs to retire before 65 and these days should plan on working at something
well into their 70's if they can physically and mentally. Work is good for a body.
We are planning on this for sure, if we live that long and the ship doesn't sink before that.
As far as the thread I was addressing most people out there want to see the truly poor
helped. This I believe.
And yes I realize this is not necessarily the agenda of the Republicans
and the Democrats are more suited to this but I am an Independent who is weighing
all factors.
I want fraud taken care of,
I want the truly hungry fed not those driving Cadillacs,
I want community service to be mandatory for all,
and now the newest thing ...
do the poor really need cell phones?
and in a way that the phone companies make millions doing so?
And fraud is now rampant with the phones themselves, triple users on one account etc.
estimating billions :wtf:
The working class is being taken advantage of. So which party will ever represent them?...
not the Democrats as we are seeing. Not the Republicans but through corporations doing better
the middle class will get jobs back. They want to work and our President has failed at this.
I hope the budget has provisions for returning military who can not find jobs with the current
problems. I want them taken care of... actually I hope to hire some if the economy can improve.
So, that up there is what I said. Perhaps, reading and comprehending the words written instead of what you want them to say - would help you. :idea:
Wow. And this is where you went.
I think government should be reduced yes. But, my point here was that tossing money at the government rarely solves anything - instead it can create additional problems. Where you got the rest of this stuff from is - um - I don't know?
Hmmm... I don't believe I said all that.
Not sure what scheme your mentioning. Are you speaking of the one you just concocted in your head and regurgitated here on this forum?
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Some of the twisting of words here is very comical. I agree.
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How about, was forced into retirement in 2008, with their 401(k) having just lost 40%.
This thing about working until one's 70s is a fantasy. Corporations have no desire to have 70-year olds working for them. They want to clear these people out and hire younger, cheaper labor. Yeah yeah, there are age discrimination laws. But they are a joke. Corporations can easily just get rid of the old people whenever they want, and get cheaper employees (or outsourcing) in their place. Workers have no rights. So now you're going from, say, an engineering job to being a greeter at Wal-Mart. If that's what you want to call "working" then great, but it's not going to pay the mortgage, or the greatly increased health insurance costs because of Ryan's voucher program.
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