Chinese teen kills nine in knife attack

inmytree

redrock wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

If you cannot see the diference between a car and a gun... then, I suppose, I simply cannot reason with you because i can recognize the difference.

Why is this still being discussed. He's playing with everyone regarding this!

I don't think s/he's "playing"....methinks this is a typical tactic of folks who don't really have a good point to argue...

for example....

person A: we should look into reinstating the ban on assault weapons....
person B: are you crazy...? people die from eating too much pizza...we should ban pizza....

you see, person A is compelled to respond to this false equivalence and it just goes round and round and round....

comebackgirl

inmytree wrote:

redrock wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

If you cannot see the diference between a car and a gun... then, I suppose, I simply cannot reason with you because i can recognize the difference.

Why is this still being discussed. He's playing with everyone regarding this!

I don't think s/he's "playing"....methinks this is a typical tactic of folks who don't really have a good point to argue...

for example....

person A: we should look into reinstating the ban on assault weapons....
person B: are you crazy...? people die from eating too much pizza...we should ban pizza....

you see, person A is compelled to respond to this false equivalence and it just goes round and round and round....

Ahhh the old distraction technique to avoid focusing on the real issue. Couples do this in arguments all the time

And please, let's not ban pizza! :shock:

Cosmo

inmytree wrote:

redrock wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

If you cannot see the diference between a car and a gun... then, I suppose, I simply cannot reason with you because i can recognize the difference.

Why is this still being discussed. He's playing with everyone regarding this!

I don't think s/he's "playing"....methinks this is a typical tactic of folks who don't really have a good point to argue...

for example....

person A: we should look into reinstating the ban on assault weapons....
person B: are you crazy...? people die from eating too much pizza...we should ban pizza....

you see, person A is compelled to respond to this false equivalence and it just goes round and round and round....

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Not to worry, my friend... I'm out.
This knot on my forehead has convinced me that any effort is an exercise in futility. You cannot debate with those who only hear the sound of their own voice.

mikepegg44

had a feeling this wouldn't be about the dangers of knives, or the culture of China possibly causing this...that is reserved for guns and the US.


I think we can all agree that there will be no agreement correct?

People oppose gun control or support it based on philosophical differences...about what people need and want, differences on law and order philosophies...All of these things.
You have one side saying more guns less crime, you have another saying less guns less homicides...both are probably right, but to what extent. If a criminal thought everyone was packing they might have reservations about committing a crime, and vice versa a criminal might not hesitate and just shoot first.

Less guns = less murder is a fallacy because it assumes too much about the state of mind a killer is in
you can't point to the UK and say, no guns way less murder and say with certainty that would hold true here.
Truth is violent crime is declining nationwide...and our murder rate is dropping already. during that time the assault weapon ban was lifted.

More guns = less crime is a theoretical wet dream of the NRA that may or may not be true. It may also cause more homicides based on the state of mind of the criminal to begin with...it assumes way too much about the fight or flight response of humans to be reliable. which it isn't.

Truth is we are a violent culture. we have it everywhere. Some people are just able to separate out the violence from their behavior...others aren't.
I am against gun control laws on a law and order basis...the law of the land states that we are all guaranteed the right to bear arms. Until a constitutional amendment is passed stating the opposite, it will likely continue to be my point of view.

People kill people...Americans Kill Americans...no matter the tool...figure out why we are more likely to kill each other and what we can do to stop that behavior and we won't need gun laws