Chinese teen kills nine in knife attack

DS1119

eMMI wrote:

Oh fuck me. :roll: I'm sure cancer kills more people than guns, too. And I'm pretty sure we're doing every damn thing we can to stop that. How is it punishing all these responsible gun owners to make guns less accessible? How is anyone going to suffer having to wait a little longer to get their precious piece of metal? How is it going to hurt anyone that they are made sure to be responsible gun owners, before they get to purchase firearms?

And speaking of cars, I wonder how many of the deaths by motor vehicle have been premeditated? And out of those, how many have killed multiple people (nine, twelve people), and not just the driver, for example? And how many cars were originally built with the purpose to kill or wound other human beings?

Comparing cancer esearch is a bit of a stretch to gun control questions? As far as the car question...more people die in cars worldwide than from guns. Heck more people die from alcohol worldwide than guns. In the grand scheme of things shouldn't those two be banned then since they are cuaing so much more haem than guns? I mean it must be the cars fualt right? Or the alcohols fault? Can't possible be the user's fault?

DS1119

Cosmo wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Pretty much this. More cars kill people (lets ban those) than guns by A LOT annually worldwide but lets punish the overwhelming majority of gun owners for the few crazies out there. I bet you I could kill someone with a popsicle stick. Let's ban popsicles!

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You know... you are not supposed to kill people with your car, right? I don't know what you use your car for... but, I use mine to go to work and back. I don't park it next to my bed with the motor running in case I need to run over someone breaking into my house in the middle of the night.
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And think about it... just run the numbers. How many people do you know that owns and drives a car? Do all of those people own guns?
How many times do you use your car? Every day? How many times a day?
Now... if every one who owns and operates a car... owned a gun and fired it as often as they use their car... don't you think the numbers would change?

You're a responsible car driver...but then again there is an overwhelmingly majority of responsible gun owners too. Probably more responsible gun owners percentage wise than car owners...yet it's the guns that are the problem...like the cars must be the problem. Ban the cars!!

Byrnzie

DS1119 wrote:

Probably more responsible gun owners percentage wise than car owners...yet it's the guns that are the problem...like the cars must be the problem. Ban the cars!!

Or just improve road safety, and the quality of driving tests.

China and India are the biggest culprits when it comes to traffic fatalities. In India the main problem is bad infrastructure. In China the main problem is the pathetic driving lessons, and test - a test that can simply be paid for. Also, the police don't enforce any traffic rules. So people here drive how they want to.

To say we should ban cars is ridiculous. Not that anyone's saying that all guns should be banned. What people are calling for is tougher restrictions on gun ownership. Just as there should be tougher tests, and enforcement when it comes to driving cars in the countries I mentioned, and a few more places.

eMMI

EDIT: Sorry, double post.

eMMI

DS1119 wrote:

eMMI wrote:

Oh fuck me. :roll: I'm sure cancer kills more people than guns, too. And I'm pretty sure we're doing every damn thing we can to stop that. How is it punishing all these responsible gun owners to make guns less accessible? How is anyone going to suffer having to wait a little longer to get their precious piece of metal? How is it going to hurt anyone that they are made sure to be responsible gun owners, before they get to purchase firearms?

And speaking of cars, I wonder how many of the deaths by motor vehicle have been premeditated? And out of those, how many have killed multiple people (nine, twelve people), and not just the driver, for example? And how many cars were originally built with the purpose to kill or wound other human beings?

Comparing cancer esearch is a bit of a stretch to gun control questions? As far as the car question...more people die in cars worldwide than from guns. Heck more people die from alcohol worldwide than guns. In the grand scheme of things shouldn't those two be banned then since they are cuaing so much more haem than guns? I mean it must be the cars fualt right? Or the alcohols fault? Can't possible be the user's fault?

But really, alcohol only kills the one person whose body it enters. Liver failure isn't contagious. Someone in a car is not likely to kill a lot of people in one go.

Alcohol and cars are pretty much only involved in the deaths of people who decide to use them in a way they're not meant to be used. You're not supposed to drink yourself to death, nor are you supposed to drive your car off a bridge, not to mention get in your car while drunk and mow someone down while speeding along the roads.

But what are guns for? The real, original, hey-I've-invented-a-gun purpose is to kill and maim other people. The fact that people are so eager to give weapons to anyone who wants one (because it's their right), with little to no control, hear someone having shot five, nine, twelve human beings with ease, and then say "Hey, they're killing less people than alcohol, nothin' I can do", is so mind-boggling I can't even think straight.

Yes, it is ultimately the user's fault. But why is it so important to give others the means to shoot up the neighbourhood in a fit of anger? Make it such an easy option that they don't even have time to think about crashing their car into a tree, or drowning their sorrows in vodka before six other people are dead? I don't get it.

If I don't make sense I do apologise, it is late and I'm going to bed.

Cosmo

DS1119 wrote:

You're a responsible car driver...but then again there is an overwhelmingly majority of responsible gun owners too. Probably more responsible gun owners percentage wise than car owners...yet it's the guns that are the problem...like the cars must be the problem. Ban the cars!!

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You are missing the point. And I know you are not one of those bumper slogan spewing gun nuts. You are a rational guy that can apply logic and reasoning to a discussion.
The numbers of gun related death will increase when you bring the numbers of guns closer towards equaling the number of cars on the road... and increasing the gun usage to the same as the average car's usage. Then, your NRA comparison of gun deaths vs. vehicular death would hold truths.
Example: Let's make it simple.
We'll say there are 1,000 people who own cars out there. Those 1,000 people use their cars 4 times a day, on average.
Of the 1,000 people, 10 of them own guns. They use their gun maybe 26 times a year (which sounds like alot, but I'm figuring hunting trips, weekend drives to shoot targets... just to keep it simple).
There will proably be more car related deaths. I get that. But the reason is simply because there are more cars out there and they are being used a lot more than the guns.
Now... if there were 1,000 guns that every one shot 4 times a day (or 1,460 time a year), you would be able to compare gun related deaths to car related deaths because the numbers would be equal.
In very basic terms, 1,000 is not equal to 10, and 1,460 is greater than 26, so you cannot compare the to because it would be like comparing apples to Volvos.
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Okay... let's take it into reverse.
Let's reduce the number of cars on the road to equal the amount of gun owners. And let's reduse the car usage to equal the same a the gun usage.
Are you telling me that you don't think the number of vehicular fatalities would be reduced?
If you think the number of vehicular deaths would remain the same... please, explain that reasoning to me.

cincybearcat

Byrnzie wrote:

9 people killed with a knife is an anomaly. Not easy to kill 9 people with a knife.

Good job there's no easy access to guns in China, or it would have been a lot worse.

Agreed. But let's not give too much credit to the Chinese for saving lives.

DS1119

Byrnzie wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Probably more responsible gun owners percentage wise than car owners...yet it's the guns that are the problem...like the cars must be the problem. Ban the cars!!

Or just improve road safety, and the quality of driving tests.

China and India are the biggest culprits when it comes to traffic fatalities. In India the main problem is bad infrastructure. In China the main problem is the pathetic driving lessons, and test - a test that can simply be paid for. Also, the police don't enforce any traffic rules. So people here drive how they want to.

To say we should ban cars is ridiculous. Not that anyone's saying that all guns should be banned. What people are calling for is tougher restrictions on gun ownership. Just as there should be tougher tests, and enforcement when it comes to driving cars in the countries I mentioned, and a few more places.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I don't like them, but I support people's right s to have them. I have a bigger chance of being killed by an auto. I still say band the cars.

DS1119

eMMI wrote:

But really, alcohol only kills the one person whose body it enters. Liver failure isn't contagious. Someone in a car is not likely to kill a lot of people in one go.

Alcohol and cars are pretty much only involved in the deaths of people who decide to use them in a way they're not meant to be used. You're not supposed to drink yourself to death, nor are you supposed to drive your car off a bridge, not to mention get in your car while drunk and mow someone down while speeding along the roads.

But what are guns for? The real, original, hey-I've-invented-a-gun purpose is to kill and maim other people. The fact that people are so eager to give weapons to anyone who wants one (because it's their right), with little to no control, hear someone having shot five, nine, twelve human beings with ease, and then say "Hey, they're killing less people than alcohol, nothin' I can do", is so mind-boggling I can't even think straight.

Yes, it is ultimately the user's fault. But why is it so important to give others the means to shoot up the neighbourhood in a fit of anger? Make it such an easy option that they don't even have time to think about crashing their car into a tree, or drowning their sorrows in vodka before six other people are dead? I don't get it.

If I don't make sense I do apologise, it is late and I'm going to bed.

But like I sadi more cars kill people annually than guns. Alcohol kills more people. Oh, here's the shocker...more people die in alcohol related crashes than by guns. Ban the cars and the alcohol! Guns don't kill people. Wackos kill people. If I were so inclined right now I could kick open my neighbores door...poor gass all over him and his family and light his house on fire. Maybe we should have better regualtions or bans on gas cans or matches?

DS1119

Cosmo wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

You're a responsible car driver...but then again there is an overwhelmingly majority of responsible gun owners too. Probably more responsible gun owners percentage wise than car owners...yet it's the guns that are the problem...like the cars must be the problem. Ban the cars!!

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You are missing the point. And I know you are not one of those bumper slogan spewing gun nuts. You are a rational guy that can apply logic and reasoning to a discussion.
The numbers of gun related death will increase when you bring the numbers of guns closer towards equaling the number of cars on the road... and increasing the gun usage to the same as the average car's usage. Then, your NRA comparison of gun deaths vs. vehicular death would hold truths.
Example: Let's make it simple.
We'll say there are 1,000 people who own cars out there. Those 1,000 people use their cars 4 times a day, on average.
Of the 1,000 people, 10 of them own guns. They use their gun maybe 26 times a year (which sounds like alot, but I'm figuring hunting trips, weekend drives to shoot targets... just to keep it simple).
There will proably be more car related deaths. I get that. But the reason is simply because there are more cars out there and they are being used a lot more than the guns.
Now... if there were 1,000 guns that every one shot 4 times a day (or 1,460 time a year), you would be able to compare gun related deaths to car related deaths because the numbers would be equal.
In very basic terms, 1,000 is not equal to 10, and 1,460 is greater than 26, so you cannot compare the to because it would be like comparing apples to Volvos.
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Okay... let's take it into reverse.
Let's reduce the number of cars on the road to equal the amount of gun owners. And let's reduse the car usage to equal the same a the gun usage.
Are you telling me that you don't think the number of vehicular fatalities would be reduced?
If you think the number of vehicular deaths would remain the same... please, explain that reasoning to me.

This is why I say ban the cars. Just think of the lives that will be saved and the benfit to the enviroment. All I say when people preach about gun control is becasue it doesn;t affect them. They don't own a gun. Hell I don't own a gun and never will becasue quite frankly I don't want the responsibilty that goes along with it. Unfortuantely there are people who want one. And by a huge majority they are very responsible with them. Most shootings are not done with legally obtained weapons btw.

It's funny that some of the same posters who came waiving the constitution in the thread about the borders, walls, guns, etc. don't waive the constitution when it comes to gun control.

Byrnzie

DS1119 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Probably more responsible gun owners percentage wise than car owners...yet it's the guns that are the problem...like the cars must be the problem. Ban the cars!!

Or just improve road safety, and the quality of driving tests.

China and India are the biggest culprits when it comes to traffic fatalities. In India the main problem is bad infrastructure. In China the main problem is the pathetic driving lessons, and test - a test that can simply be paid for. Also, the police don't enforce any traffic rules. So people here drive how they want to.

To say we should ban cars is ridiculous. Not that anyone's saying that all guns should be banned. What people are calling for is tougher restrictions on gun ownership. Just as there should be tougher tests, and enforcement when it comes to driving cars in the countries I mentioned, and a few more places.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I don't like them, but I support people's right s to have them. I have a bigger chance of being killed by an auto. I still say band the cars.

Actually, I watched the first part of Ken Burn's documentary on prohibition last night and it got me thinking about this. Maybe banning all guns - which nobody here as far as I can tell is calling for - would only cause people to aquire them illegally.
What people are calling for is stricter controls on gun ownership, just as in the case of alcohol, restrictions were placed on the promotion of alcohol, and on the price of t, e.t.c.

When you say you support people's right to have guns, what 'people' are you referring to? Every crazy fucking fruit-cake and his pet monkey? How about certified schizophrenics? Should they be allowed to just walk into a shop and buy a bunch of semi-automatic rifles?

DS1119

Byrnzie wrote:

Actually, I watched the first part of Ken Burn's documentary on prohibition last night and it got me thinking about this. Maybe banning all guns - which nobody here as far as I can tell is calling for - would only cause people to aquire them illegally.
What people are calling for is stricter controls on gun ownership, just as in the case of alcohol, restrictions were placed on the promotion of alcohol, and on the price of t, e.t.c.

When you say you support people's right to have guns, what 'people' are you referring to? Every crazy fucking fruit-cake and his pet monkey? How about certified schizophrenics? Should they be allowed to just walk into a shop and buy a bunch of semi-automatic rifles?

As long as they are law abiding citizens of their respective country at the time...then yes. There are a lot more fruit cakes...pet monkeys...certified schizophrenics...etc on the roadways than own guns. Ban the cars!

Byrnzie

DS1119 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Actually, I watched the first part of Ken Burn's documentary on prohibition last night and it got me thinking about this. Maybe banning all guns - which nobody here as far as I can tell is calling for - would only cause people to aquire them illegally.
What people are calling for is stricter controls on gun ownership, just as in the case of alcohol, restrictions were placed on the promotion of alcohol, and on the price of t, e.t.c.

When you say you support people's right to have guns, what 'people' are you referring to? Every crazy fucking fruit-cake and his pet monkey? How about certified schizophrenics? Should they be allowed to just walk into a shop and buy a bunch of semi-automatic rifles?

As long as they are law abiding citizens of their respective country at the time...then yes. There are a lot more fruit cakes...pet monkeys...certified schizophrenics...etc on the roadways than own guns. Ban the cars!

So you think schizophrenics, and/or individuals with past records of violent crime and/or murder should be allowed to freely buy guns?
Or are you just continuing this 'discussion' merely to stir shit up, or to try and be funny? I see you're very fond of the smilie, yet strangely I can't see anyone else laughing. Though maybe I'm missing something here.

I'll go ask Cincybearcat about it, as maybe mass murder is something I should lighten up about.

DS1119

Byrnzie wrote:

So you think schizophrenics, and/or individuals with past records of violent crime and/or murder should be allowed to freely buy guns?
Or are you just continuing this 'discussion' merely to stir shit up, or to try and be funny? I see you're very fond of the smilie, yet strangely I can't see anyone else laughing. Though maybe I'm missing something here.

I'll go ask Cincybearcat about it, as maybe mass murder is something I should lighten up about.

I'm fond of the laughing smiley becasue you make me laugh with your view points. Sorry can't help it. As far as your point of past criminals owning weapons...that's why there are laws and checks against that. If you're a convicted felon here in the US, you can't own a firearm. Prior to that...who's to say who's crazy? Maybe everyone we specualte that may do something should just be thrown into jail right now out of speculation? Hell if that were the case...and yes I go back to cars...half the people worldwide should never drive a car. Ban the cars I say!

DS1119

Also on this point. If only the Chinese government had done a better check on this indivdual before he bought the knife. I say ban all knives in China!

inmytree

DS1119 wrote:

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I don't like them, but I support people's right s to have them. I have a bigger chance of being killed by an auto. I still say band the cars.

great point...let's ban cars...

inmytree

DS1119 wrote:

Also on this point. If only the Chinese government had done a better check on this indivdual before he bought the knife. I say ban all knives in China!

and knives in China...

Cosmo

DS1119 wrote:

This is why I say ban the cars. Just think of the lives that will be saved and the benfit to the enviroment. All I say when people preach about gun control is becasue it doesn;t affect them. They don't own a gun. Hell I don't own a gun and never will becasue quite frankly I don't want the responsibilty that goes along with it. Unfortuantely there are people who want one. And by a huge majority they are very responsible with them. Most shootings are not done with legally obtained weapons btw.

It's funny that some of the same posters who came waiving the constitution in the thread about the borders, walls, guns, etc. don't waive the constitution when it comes to gun control.

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You are STILL missing the point... by about a mile.
You comparison is irrelevant, at best. Nothing to do with banning guns or cars... nothing to do with Constitutional Rights or the 2nd Amendment. Everything to do with the numbers.
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The total number of car related deaths is greater than the total number of gun related deaths, simply because more people own and drive cars, than own and fire guns.
Raise (or lower) the numbers so they are equal in both amounts and usage and the total number of deaths will change.
Your arguement is as silly and irrelevant as this one:
"More people in the U.S. died from gun related deaths last year than died from Polonium Radiation Poisoning. Possession of Polonium is illegal in the U.S., therefore, guns should be illegal, too."
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See what an assinine arguement that is... comparing guns to Polonium? Make absolutely no sense and is completely irrelevant, right?
Get the point, now?

ComeToTX

DS1119 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

So you think schizophrenics, and/or individuals with past records of violent crime and/or murder should be allowed to freely buy guns?
Or are you just continuing this 'discussion' merely to stir shit up, or to try and be funny? I see you're very fond of the smilie, yet strangely I can't see anyone else laughing. Though maybe I'm missing something here.

I'll go ask Cincybearcat about it, as maybe mass murder is something I should lighten up about.

I'm fond of the laughing smiley becasue you make me laugh with your view points. Sorry can't help it. As far as your point of past criminals owning weapons...that's why there are laws and checks against that. If you're a convicted felon here in the US, you can't own a firearm. Prior to that...who's to say who's crazy? Maybe everyone we specualte that may do something should just be thrown into jail right now out of speculation? Hell if that were the case...and yes I go back to cars...half the people worldwide should never drive a car. Ban the cars I say!

The laws are shitty. The guy in Seattle that killed 4 people had a long history of mental illness. He still had a carry permit. Even after his family went to the police and told them that they feared he might do something. The police couldn't do anything and 4 people are dead because of a shitty law.

fife

Oh for fuck sake. everyone buy a gun and if anyone looks at you funny just shoot the fuck out of them but i don't want to see one more fucken post the next time this shit happens. :evil:


I don't want to hear about this poor victims again. keep your guns and hope that this make you feel safe. :fp: