Was she "asking for it"?

Dissidentman

I've violated more than one hopper in my lifetime.

BinauralJam

Dissidentman wrote:

I've violated more than one hopper in my lifetime.

Dont Brag, it's not becoming

badbrains

BOTH are at fault and also add the mother to this. I'm sorry but at 15, she should've known better. And at 21 he def KNEW better. in my opinion, yes she was asking for it. Up until she got caught. If you're gonna blame 1 you have to blame both. All this talk about her only being 15, come on community, what were all of us doing at 15? And he's just a fucken idiot! And to be honest, prob not the first time HE'S done something like that. Prob preys on the young. Hey DS, do some of that price is right investigation shit on this guy and see if he ever was on "To Catch A Predator."

LiLiNY81

Everyone's got good points here. It's a shame that it happened, but with parents afraid to actually do any parenting nowadays, it's going to keep happening. Kids need a slap every now and then.

81

lured?

has the girl said anything about it being consensual? if yes, no case in my book....if she said no...then there should be issues.

RKCNDY

The lawsuit details that the young girl, named in the legal papers as Jan Doe, visited Hopper's home on several occasions during which the actor would supply her with alcohol before engaging in "sexually offensive conduct," which according to TMZ included "sexual intercourse, forced oral copulation and sodomy."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/3 ... ertainment

Looks like she visited him several times. Yes a 15 year old should 'know better', but everybody grows up in a different environment and she could have been very naive. She probably was also flattered some 'famous person' wanted to 'hang out' with her.

This part of the article makes me think that she liked the drugs and alcohol and Henry gave her the old, "I bought you beer, and drugs...do a little favor for me"

As people have said, "no means no"

covered in bliss

Who Princess wrote:

When I was 15, I had absolutely no realistic sense of what was a dangerous situation. I thought older guys were really cool and their interest in me was a sign of my own maturity. :fp:

I was very stupid. I'm extremely fortunate that I never came to any harm.

So I don't buy the idea that this girl knew the risk she was taking. It disgusts me that anyone would suggest that she knowingly put herself in situation where a man--who certainly knew what he was doing!--could take advantage of her.

I haven't gotten through all of the responses...

totally agree with you. What 15 year old has a realistic sense of anything? They want to be adults tomorrow yet they still watch the fricking disney channel!

I'm actually very offended with some comments here.. go watch Jodie Foster's "The Accused" and then think about it some more...

Who Princess

BinauralJam wrote:

i always put myself in the situation, like if i were a 15 year old boy and a 21 year old women invited me over for drinks and drugs and sex, i would think this is the greatest night of my life, and it would have been up to that point.

but in the same way by the time i was 21 i knew better than to do what this guy did.

does seem something of a double standard imo

THANK YOU.

I've already posted this but again, I did some spectacularly stupid things when I was 15. It makes me cringe to think about them. I thought I knew everything about the world and I didn't know a thing.

To say that just because you never did anything like this at that age, then a 15 year old girl must " know better" is blaming the victim. To ask "did he know she was just 15, she might have looked 22" is absolving the guy.

Teenagers take ridiculous risks ALL THE TIME. It's part of the nature of adolescence. They drink too much, drive too fast, have unprotected sex and do a host of other things. For most kids, it will be an occasional testing of their boundaries and they won't have any serious repercussions. Some kids though will pay for their mistakes in a big way. We all make mistakes. Just because ours didn't have such drastic consequences is no reason to say that we were right and this girl was wrong.

I was a rape crisis volunteer in the 1980s and I can't believe that in this day and time people are still suggesting that someone "asked for it."

dimitrispearljam

Who Princess wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

i always put myself in the situation, like if i were a 15 year old boy and a 21 year old women invited me over for drinks and drugs and sex, i would think this is the greatest night of my life, and it would have been up to that point.

but in the same way by the time i was 21 i knew better than to do what this guy did.

does seem something of a double standard imo

THANK YOU.

I've already posted this but again, I did some spectacularly stupid things when I was 15. It makes me cringe to think about them. I thought I knew everything about the world and I didn't know a thing.

To say that just because you never did anything like this at that age, then a 15 year old girl must " know better" is blaming the victim. To ask "did he know she was just 15, she might have looked 22" is absolving the guy.

Teenagers take ridiculous risks ALL THE TIME. It's part of the nature of adolescence. They drink too much, drive too fast, have unprotected sex and do a host of other things. For most kids, it will be an occasional testing of their boundaries and they won't have any serious repercussions. Some kids though will pay for their mistakes in a big way. We all make mistakes. Just because ours didn't have such drastic consequences is no reason to say that we were right and this girl was wrong.

I was a rape crisis volunteer in the 1980s and I can't believe that in this day and time people are still suggesting that someone "asked for it."

you are right..
for me ...15 years old is still a kid...
she think she knows,but she dont know shit,and easy to be fooled..as Lisa said,21 years old boy,kinda famous,probably rich,have it all..who wouldnt to hung out with him?
law must protect the girls at this age..

comebackgirl

Who Princess wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

i always put myself in the situation, like if i were a 15 year old boy and a 21 year old women invited me over for drinks and drugs and sex, i would think this is the greatest night of my life, and it would have been up to that point.

but in the same way by the time i was 21 i knew better than to do what this guy did.

does seem something of a double standard imo

THANK YOU.

I've already posted this but again, I did some spectacularly stupid things when I was 15. It makes me cringe to think about them. I thought I knew everything about the world and I didn't know a thing.

To say that just because you never did anything like this at that age, then a 15 year old girl must " know better" is blaming the victim. To ask "did he know she was just 15, she might have looked 22" is absolving the guy.

Teenagers take ridiculous risks ALL THE TIME. It's part of the nature of adolescence. They drink too much, drive too fast, have unprotected sex and do a host of other things. For most kids, it will be an occasional testing of their boundaries and they won't have any serious repercussions. Some kids though will pay for their mistakes in a big way. We all make mistakes. Just because ours didn't have such drastic consequences is no reason to say that we were right and this girl was wrong.

I was a rape crisis volunteer in the 1980s and I can't believe that in this day and time people are still suggesting that someone "asked for it."

Exactly! The part of the brain that has to do with risk taking hasn't completely formed yet, so of course teens take stupid risks. Most adults probably look back at situations and realize that. Poor judgment does not equate to "asking for it."

At 38 I still find it hard to understand that anyone could ever think they have a right to do something to my body unless I've consented to it. This is going to be even harder for a 15 year old to comprehend, especially if the guy has been nice to her. So at 15, many girls will spend time with a guy, maybe go to his house, maybe drink or do drugs, and truly believe that the guy will respect wherever the line is drawn. As adults we realized that's often not the case, yet that line should always be respected.

She didn't need to say no. The fact that she was underage and intoxicated is the "no." The law recognizes that. It was Hopper's job to know that. Shame on him if he didn't. In every other circumstance it's our job to know the law and respect it or face the consequence. If I don't realize the speed limit on a road is 45 and I get clocked doing 60, I'm getting that ticket regardless. "I didn't know" doesn't cut it.

LiLiNY81

"Qualifications?"
"Rape, murder, arson and rape."
"You said 'rape' twice."
"I like rape."



Sorry, just had to add a little humor. One of my favorite lines from a movie.

Sea

This thread is closed. Too many inappropriate posts & derailing topic integrity. There is nothing funny about rape.