Was she "asking for it"?

mca47

Forgot to include in my story...

My buddy and her were both their firsts when they were together. They broke up when he went to college and she became the class skank... A real "dumpster" if you know what I mean!
Anyways, she surpassed the double digit mark in those 6 months they were apart. She was also a really sheltered child with a very religious family.
Only when her mom found out about her relations with her ex did things happen.
After the court battle, 6 months later she was pregnant from a boy her own age. She aborted it and lost all ties with her family.

...seems fair.

catefrances

mca47 wrote:

Forgot to include in my story...

My buddy and her were both their firsts when they were together. They broke up when he went to college and she became the class skank... A real "dumpster" if you know what I mean!
Anyways, she surpassed the double digit mark in those 6 months they were apart. She was also a really sheltered child with a very religious family.
Only when her mom found out about her relations with her ex did things happen.
After the court battle, 6 months later she was pregnant from a boy her own age. She aborted it and lost all ties with her family.

...seems fair.

which part is fair????

mca47

catefrances wrote:

mca47 wrote:

Forgot to include in my story...

My buddy and her were both their firsts when they were together. They broke up when he went to college and she became the class skank... A real "dumpster" if you know what I mean!
Anyways, she surpassed the double digit mark in those 6 months they were apart. She was also a really sheltered child with a very religious family.
Only when her mom found out about her relations with her ex did things happen.
After the court battle, 6 months later she was pregnant from a boy her own age. She aborted it and lost all ties with her family.

...seems fair.

which part is fair????

I was joking. He got the shit just for being 9 months older and it'll follow him the rest of his life. Live and learn....

DS1119

mca47 wrote:

Forgot to include in my story...

My buddy and her were both their firsts when they were together. They broke up when he went to college and she became the class skank... A real "dumpster" if you know what I mean!
Anyways, she surpassed the double digit mark in those 6 months they were apart. She was also a really sheltered child with a very religious family.
Only when her mom found out about her relations with her ex did things happen.
After the court battle, 6 months later she was pregnant from a boy her own age. She aborted it and lost all ties with her family.

...seems fair.

Sounds like she has self esteem problems...nice. :corn:

mca47

DS1119 wrote:

mca47 wrote:

Forgot to include in my story...

My buddy and her were both their firsts when they were together. They broke up when he went to college and she became the class skank... A real "dumpster" if you know what I mean!
Anyways, she surpassed the double digit mark in those 6 months they were apart. She was also a really sheltered child with a very religious family.
Only when her mom found out about her relations with her ex did things happen.
After the court battle, 6 months later she was pregnant from a boy her own age. She aborted it and lost all ties with her family.

...seems fair.

Sounds like she has self esteem problems...nice. :corn:

I love hot chicks with self esteem problems!!!! At least those 18 and older!!

DS1119

mca47 wrote:

I love hot chicks with self esteem problems!!!! At least those 18 and older!!

:thumbup:

Mamasan23

I thought this thread was going to be about Courtney Love :fp:

LiLiNY81

LloydXmas wrote:

I don't know. Seems like this girl was hanging out, partying and doing other stuff that she shouldn't have been doing at 15 (not being lured). I'm not placing blame on her at all, I just think that the mother maybe got embarrassed by her daughter and sees this as a pay day.

Hopper Jr should be aware of his surroundings.

100% agree. What the mother fails to realize is that making this public and dragging her own daughter through the mud for the sake of some settlement money is what's going to do the most damage.

LiLiNY81

DS1119 wrote:

Sounds like she has self esteem problems...nice. :corn:

Or daddy issues

But in all seriousness, I was an impressionable 15 year old girl once too...but I knew where to draw the line. You can't tell me this girl is "mature" enough to drink and do drugs, but not mature enough to know that an older guy just wants to bang her? I'm sure this wasn't her first time at the rodeo, if you know what I'm sayin'.

DS1119

LiLiNY81 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Sounds like she has self esteem problems...nice. :corn:

Or daddy issues

But in all seriousness, I was an impressionable 15 year old girl once too...but I knew where to draw the line. You can't tell me this girl is "mature" enough to drink and do drugs, but not mature enough to know that an older guy just wants to bang her? I'm sure this wasn't her first time at the rodeo, if you know what I'm sayin'.

Probably not. :corn:

RideRick

LiLiNY81 wrote:

Thoughts?

Rape is rape..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpzCHUsGgZI

Loulou

catefrances wrote:

no she wasnt asking for it. henry hopper is an adult. what the fuck was he doing inviting a 15 year old to his place? bad form henry bad form.

100% agree!

comebackgirl

Don't want to be charged with rape? Know what the laws are and know that it's a crime about consent, not about force. Don't have sex with anyone under the legal age of consent. Don't have sex with someone who is unable to consent because they are under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Seems like he was batting 0 for 2 here. I'm not sure if she was asking for it, but seems as though he was.

P.S. - Not sure what state this was in or if it meets the technical guidelines of "statutory rape". In NJ there has to be an age difference of 4 or more years, but generally having sex with someone under 16 is going to be a fine line.

dimitrispearljam

Loulou wrote:

catefrances wrote:

no she wasnt asking for it. henry hopper is an adult. what the fuck was he doing inviting a 15 year old to his place? bad form henry bad form.

100% agree!

exactly..what a lame excuse is that she asking for it..?
15 years old is still a child,even now days they dont look like their age but older the way they dressed and put make up...
no matter what the girl look like,party girl or not,or whatever,when u invite your home a 15 years old ,you already doing a mistake and there are laws for those type of mistakes....

dunkman

did he know she was 15? I blame those stupid American pageant shows where they dress 6 year old girls to look like 14 year old Vietnamese lady-girl-thingies.

I also blame Dennis Hoppers son for being a bit of a sleazy fucker... but did he know she was 15? I think kids, both male and female, try to make themselves look older these days... when in my day I was still getting a half fare on the bus until i was 23.

pandora

Yes more than just trying to look older, kids are exposed to so much
from even elementary age on. That effects decisions when they are not mature enough
to understand consequence. They are growing up too soon.

All are to blame here. The parents most likely, the young man of 21,
he should be smart enough to know the law and consequences ...
isn't that rule one for a guy ? .... no jail bait.
The young lady because she must learn to protect her body, in more ways than one,
stay away from drugs and alcohol.

Some kids are without forethought and risk takers. It's all about fun
and hindsight is 20 20 ... how they learn, school of hard knocks. Just don't want
the knocks to be so hard that is ruins their life.

Kevinman

Everyone is in the wrong here, boy, girl, and mom. 1st of all, why the fuck are you inviting a 15 year old girl over for drinks and drugs? Arrestable offense right there.

From what I read online, the girl never said the sexual contact was without consent, not saying that this is right, but I just think that it does make a difference, that the girl did not have a problem with what was going on, it was the mother that had the problem. Don't get me wrong, it's still wrong, just maybe should have been handled privately.

Finally, what the fuck is wrong with this mother, dragging this all out in public. I know that I would be pissed and want to kill this guy if I were her, but doing this in public may fuck up her daughter's head for the rest of her life, if it isn't already. If she is after money, she could have done it privately. If she is out for revenge, she could have also done this out of the spotlight.

The sad thing is that this isn't the first time something like this happend, and it won't be the last.

Oh yeah, and all the stories that have been told on this thread really don't compare to this story. All of the cases you guys have stated about sleeping with an ex and getting in trouble really don't apply here. In your stories you were dating and were much closer in age than this story. It really is not the same at all here. I don't see anything wrong besides the law in all of your stories, but in this story I see everything wrong. You all seem to be good people, this does not seem like a story of "good people".

comebackgirl

comebackgirl wrote:

Don't want to be charged with rape? Know what the laws are and know that it's a crime about consent, not about force. Don't have sex with anyone under the legal age of consent. Don't have sex with someone who is unable to consent because they are under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Seems like he was batting 0 for 2 here. I'm not sure if she was asking for it, but seems as though he was.

P.S. - Not sure what state this was in or if it meets the technical guidelines of "statutory rape". In NJ there has to be an age difference of 4 or more years, but generally having sex with someone under 16 is going to be a fine line.

Had a chance to find out more about his case. I didn't know his age when I first responded. It appears that in California this would be considered statutory rape and he could be charged with a felony.

California

§ 261. 5(b)-(d)
Any person 21 years of age or older who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is under 16 years of age is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony

Aside from the age issue, the fact that she was under the influence of drugs and alcohol would mean she is also unable to consent. So again, he's 0 for 2 here.

BinauralJam

i always put myself in the situation, like if i were a 15 year old boy and a 21 year old women invited me over for drinks and drugs and sex, i would think this is the greatest night of my life, and it would have been up to that point.

but in the same way by the time i was 21 i knew better than to do what this guy did.

does seem something of a double standard imo

dimitrispearljam

comebackgirl wrote:

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Aside from the age issue, the fact that she was under the influence of drugs and alcohol would mean she is also unable to consent. So again, he's 0 for 2 here.

i agree 101%