ACLU backs Chick-fil-A

gimmesometruth27

ComeToTX wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Scary part... she was smart and funny and attractive and very likable.
It was that really, really strange rationale or justification that oral and anal sex was not really sex sex... so it wasn't really adultery. Oh, and there was also the excuse that since I wasn't married, I wasn't cheating on anyone... therefore, not an adulterer, so she wasn't violating the adultery clause. Odd, isn't it?
The other funny thing... she told me she was a virgin when they got married. Which.... technically, she was... i suppose. I guess her hyman was still intact. As for the lips and the bunghole... not so much.
I just thought that whole purity thing was all mixed up. She used to cry, telling me she worried about me burning in Hell and shit because i didn't believe. She told me how she prayed all the time, for me and my soul. That's probably where I started that, 'No need to pray for me.... I'm okay. Pray for the kid who just died from starvation. He needs your praryer more than I do' thing.
Kind of odd how that religious thing works sometimes, huh?

that in a nutshell is the essence of many religions ... self-rationalization of a faith to overlook the hypocrisies ...

I knew a couple in college that wanted to wait to have sex until they were married. So they only did anal. These morons are all around us.

anyone see the abstinance education episode of family guy?

ear sex haha....

Jason P

Well, nine days later ... safe to assume we have collectively moved passed this controversy?

Prince Of Dorkness

Jason P wrote:

Well, nine days later ... safe to assume we have collectively moved passed this controversy?

Not sure. My guess is that this is when we see what the longer-term effects are.

While Christian groups are still high-fiving each other over their one-day "eat in" and the resulting press coverage, it's really how the general public goes forward (most of whom thought that lining up and making such a big stink was a bit juvenile and over-the-top).

Coors Beer back in the mid 80s were caught up in a huge controversy about firing a gay CEO and doing it VERY openly for "being homosexual." They too donated millions of dollars to anti-gay groups and political campaigns. Of course back then the internet didn't turn every story into a meme. But a very well-organized boycott of Coors had massive repercussions for more than 20 years and now that it's almost 30 years later, Coors beer is still not able to get into a lot of venues.

Back in the 70s, Anita Bryant had two jobs... she promoted Orange Juice and she lead national campaigns to pass votes to fire any and all "homosexuals" from having jobs in schools. If you saw the movie MILK you know about it. What people don't generally know is that the resulting boycott on Florida Orange juice dropped sales so far that Anita Bryant was not only fired from her job as Orange juice spokeperson, she was blacklisted from Hollywood and just about any job other than singing on the odd TV show. Just her name mentioned today still elicits a very negative reaction. (side note, her ex-husband died last year broke and bitter. While he and his wife had forged an extremely negative campaign to fire gay people, he blamed the loss of his fortune and career and marriage on gay people who "ganged up on us to ruin us... it wasn't fair.")



So NOW we see how the public reacts to ChikFilA. Because while conservatives had their one-day show of "support," the name of the company is now synonymous with a divisive political issue that currently shows a pretty much even split down the middle in public opinion. Which means that just suggesting going to ChikFilA for lunch will result in anything from bruised feelings to an argument. I'm going to say that when the office orders in for Staff Appreciation Day, the employer will want to avoid the negative feelings among the staff and order from KFC to avoid it.

THAT is what happens when a company jumps so strongly into a divisive debate like this. And when there are so many choices for fast food out there, it's best to have the majority of people think of you as a place to get a good lunch, not a place to make a political statement in front of your friends, family and co-workers.

RW81233

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Well, nine days later ... safe to assume we have collectively moved passed this controversy?

Not sure. My guess is that this is when we see what the longer-term effects are.

While Christian groups are still high-fiving each other over their one-day "eat in" and the resulting press coverage, it's really how the general public goes forward (most of whom thought that lining up and making such a big stink was a bit juvenile and over-the-top).

Coors Beer back in the mid 80s were caught up in a huge controversy about firing a gay CEO and doing it VERY openly for "being homosexual." They too donated millions of dollars to anti-gay groups and political campaigns. Of course back then the internet didn't turn every story into a meme. But a very well-organized boycott of Coors had massive repercussions for more than 20 years and now that it's almost 30 years later, Coors beer is still not able to get into a lot of venues.

Back in the 70s, Anita Bryant had two jobs... she promoted Orange Juice and she lead national campaigns to pass votes to fire any and all "homosexuals" from having jobs in schools. If you saw the movie MILK you know about it. What people don't generally know is that the resulting boycott on Florida Orange juice dropped sales so far that Anita Bryant was not only fired from her job as Orange juice spokeperson, she was blacklisted from Hollywood and just about any job other than singing on the odd TV show. Just her name mentioned today still elicits a very negative reaction. (side note, her ex-husband died last year broke and bitter. While he and his wife had forged an extremely negative campaign to fire gay people, he blamed the loss of his fortune and career and marriage on gay people who "ganged up on us to ruin us... it wasn't fair.")



So NOW we see how the public reacts to ChikFilA. Because while conservatives had their one-day show of "support," the name of the company is now synonymous with a divisive political issue that currently shows a pretty much even split down the middle in public opinion. Which means that just suggesting going to ChikFilA for lunch will result in anything from bruised feelings to an argument. I'm going to say that when the office orders in for Staff Appreciation Day, the employer will want to avoid the negative feelings among the staff and order from KFC to avoid it.

THAT is what happens when a company jumps so strongly into a divisive debate like this. And when there are so many choices for fast food out there, it's best to have the majority of people think of you as a place to get a good lunch, not a place to make a political statement in front of your friends, family and co-workers.

prince I had the same feelings, without your prescient examples. Interestingly this year my chair gave me a Chik-fil-A calendar for the holidays (it comes with a monthly coupon) to thank me for being a faculty coordinator. I knew some of their political leanings, but accepted it nonetheless because, well, he was my boss and I wasn't going to throw a fit over a calendar. PLUS my wife happens to love the shitty chicken sandwiches with pickles on top. So I gave it to her. August was actually the best coupon because instead of a free coke or something you got a sandwich, but now, after the whole deal my wife won't use it because she doesn't want to be read as "hating gays". To borrow from the Hangover, making a political statement in this manner is like getting herpes - that shit stays with you.

Before this whole thing happened people could put aside their political differences with the company and purchase their stuff. Now it comes with a whole host of other meanings. If Chick Fil A maintains this stance as a professor committed to social justice there is no way in hell I can be caught eating their food FOREVER, because a student may see it and ask what the eff I'm doing, or, worse give me a thumbs up because they mistakenly think that I believe in their religion. Like you said no one is going to order that stuff for a lunch meeting anymore, and who outside of a really religious organization would have Chick Fil A cater one of their events/lunches for fear of backlash?

ComeToTX

My company is moving and we're selling our building. The other day the realtor brought in two potential buyers. Both were holding CFA cups. Maybe they were just eating lunch or maybe they were making a political statement but that's the risk of eating there now.

RW81233

ComeToTX wrote:

My company is moving and we're selling our building. The other day the realtor brought in two potential buyers. Both were holding CFA cups. Maybe they were just eating lunch or maybe they were making a political statement but that's the risk of eating there now.

exactly and you probably made some immediate assumptions about them whether they deserved it or not just based on the whole disagreement. the thing that sucks (?) for CFA is that if they recant now they lose their conservative fanbase and if they do nothing they will forever be proprietors of the "hate sandwich". so while the facebooking and blog posting and online arguing may be over CFA will eventually hurt itself over this.

polaris_x

the math is really quite simple:

which is greater? the number of people/organizations who would support CFA more than they may already be doing so or the number of people/organizations who would no longer support CFA?

i am guessing it is the latter ... for sure there are peeps who are "boycotting" this place but wouldn't normally eat their anyways but sometimes you find yourself in need of something and convenience is important - people are gonna go somewhere else now ...

ComeToTX

RW81233 wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

My company is moving and we're selling our building. The other day the realtor brought in two potential buyers. Both were holding CFA cups. Maybe they were just eating lunch or maybe they were making a political statement but that's the risk of eating there now.

exactly and you probably made some immediate assumptions about them whether they deserved it or not just based on the whole disagreement. the thing that sucks (?) for CFA is that if they recant now they lose their conservative fanbase and if they do nothing they will forever be proprietors of the "hate sandwich". so while the facebooking and blog posting and online arguing may be over CFA will eventually hurt itself over this.

I did.

It's kind of like the Komen/Planned Parenthood. If they back down then they've pissed off both sides.

cincybearcat

RW81233 wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

My company is moving and we're selling our building. The other day the realtor brought in two potential buyers. Both were holding CFA cups. Maybe they were just eating lunch or maybe they were making a political statement but that's the risk of eating there now.

exactly and you probably made some immediate assumptions about them

And who's fault would that be?

Cosmo

hedonist wrote:

Hell, it apparently also worked for Clinton and Lewinsky :P

...
You mean, by taking oral sex out of the "Oooo... that's sex and it is bad, don't do it" and turning it into "Blow jobs aren't really sex, because it's not like you are taking your clothes off or anything... it's more like kissing or heavy petting... you know, like just messing around and stuff" Monica Lewinsky, or as I like to call her,
'THE GREATEST WOMAN WHO HAS EVER LIVED IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF MANKIND'?

hedonist

Cosmo wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Hell, it apparently also worked for Clinton and Lewinsky :P

...
You mean, by taking oral sex out of the "Oooo... that's sex and it is bad, don't do it" and turning it into "Blow jobs aren't really sex, because it's not like you are taking your clothes off or anything... it's more like kissing or heavy petting... you know, like just messing around and stuff" Monica Lewinsky, or as I like to call her,
'THE GREATEST WOMAN WHO HAS EVER LIVED IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF MANKIND'?

ComeToTX

cincybearcat wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

My company is moving and we're selling our building. The other day the realtor brought in two potential buyers. Both were holding CFA cups. Maybe they were just eating lunch or maybe they were making a political statement but that's the risk of eating there now.

exactly and you probably made some immediate assumptions about them

And who's fault would that be?

mine, the news, this thread....I'll own it but I'm not alone by any means.

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

And who's fault would that be?

Well... I think a lot of the blame would go with the rather massive campaign from people like Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin who turned it into such a "with us or against us" story. I think a lot of the blame goes to the people who lined up for hours to make such a massive story.

While yes... the GLBT community did raise the issue to which Dan Cathy responded with his rather smug "guilty as charged" line, it wouldn't have gotten to be such a run-away train had it not become such a classless moment to grandstand and say that "supporting ChikFilA meansing supporting Traditional Marriage." Which is what the line of the day was.

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

And who's fault would that be?

Well... I think a lot of the blame would go with the rather massive campaign from people like Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin who turned it into such a "with us or against us" story. I think a lot of the blame goes to the people who lined up for hours to make such a massive story.

While yes... the GLBT community did raise the issue to which Dan Cathy responded with his rather smug "guilty as charged" line, it wouldn't have gotten to be such a run-away train had it not become such a classless moment to grandstand and say that "supporting ChikFilA meansing supporting Traditional Marriage." Which is what the line of the day was.

I think anytime you judge someone by their drink it's kinda on you.

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

I think anytime you judge someone by their drink it's kinda on you.

That was probably true when the choice between Coke and Pepsi was wether you were a fan of Bill Cobsy or Michael Jackson.

This is the first time I can really think of a product being THIS intrinsically linked with a divisive political issue. So like it or not, walking down the street holding a ChikFilA cup is now a political statement. And for proof of this, I direct you to...


Sarah Palin and the "First Dood."

Michelle Bachman

Mike Huckabee

Senator Lindsay Graham

Rep Jeff Duncan

Random Fatsos
:fp:

(do you remember any other time when politicians flocked to endorse a product like this?)

ComeToTX

I haven't had CFA in 3 years because of their politics. I never held it against or judged anyone that did before this because they might not know. Hard to plead ignorance now.

drinkbigredinstead

So much hate :(

Prince Of Dorkness

someone recently asked me "what does a vegan eat if they're against gay marriage?"

And I said "Find a vegan against gay marriage. I'll wait."

We're too cool for that shit.

EZ1221C

anybody post this picture yet?

ComeToTX

EZ1221C wrote:

anybody post this picture yet?

Mind boggling. You'd think that demographic could understand.