best and worse USA presidents

mcgruff10

Top five:
Lincoln
Fdr
JFK
teddy Roosevelt
Washington
Honorable mention: Jefferson


Worst:
James Buchanan
Herbert Hoover
Carter
George w bush
Lbj

Byrnzie

brianlux wrote:

aerial wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

obama. worst
best....still up for debate.


Godfather.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course, but there are no polls to support this opinion. You guys are in a small minority. Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler and a few others consistently rank lowest.

Funny, but I thought that your goofy, frat-boy President, George W. Bush was undoubtedly the most incompetent President your country has ever had.
I mean, I think it's clear to any reasonable person that Dubya was an idiot. He wasn't a leader. And he just did what he was told - even then, with great difficulty. Didn't he break the record for the least amount of public appearances, and foreign travel, of any President before him in the age of t.v? He was such a complete moron that even his puppet masters were afraid and embarrassed to wheel him out onto the public stage.

brianlux

Byrnzie wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course, but there are no polls to support this opinion. You guys are in a small minority. Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler and a few others consistently rank lowest.

Funny, but I thought that your goofy, frat-boy President, George W. Bush was undoubtedly the most incompetent President your country has ever had.
I mean, I think it's clear to any reasonable person that Dubya was an idiot. He wasn't a leader. And he just did what he was told - even then, with great difficulty. Didn't he break the record for the least amount of public appearances, and foreign travel, of any President before him in the age of t.v? He was such a complete moron that even his puppet masters were afraid and embarrassed to wheel him out onto the public stage.

Yes, personally I would rank Bush the Younger very low on the list. Time will tell. The names that I posted as low on the list are from various polls I looked at. My guess is that in the long run, W. will rank fairly low and Obama somewhere in the middle. My guess is the current negatively inflammatory opinions toward Obama will fade with time.

One thing for sure, most Americans- much of the world for that matter- are still waiting for a leader that inspires. Either that or no leader at all.

aerial

He was not the most charismatic President but we see what charisma does for this country.....why do people have to travel so much since we have the internet now....when Obama travels he is ether on one of his many Vacations or visiting countries to apologize for America....who asked him to go apologize on behalf of the American people? I forgot to mention his campaign travels..

Byrnzie

brianlux wrote:

Yes, personally I would rank Bush the Younger very low on the list. Time will tell. The names that I posted as low on the list are from various polls I looked at. My guess is that in the long run, W. will rank fairly low and Obama somewhere in the middle. My guess is the current negatively inflammatory opinions toward Obama will fade with time.

One thing for sure, most Americans- much of the world for that matter- are still waiting for a leader that inspires. Either that or no leader at all.

I think most Americans expect just one thing from their Presidents: War. If a U.S President doesn't start a war somewhere on foreign soil, then he's considered weak, or uninspiring.

Byrnzie

George W. Bush

aerial wrote:

He was not the most charismatic President

And Jesus wept.

g under p

Byrnzie wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Yes, personally I would rank Bush the Younger very low on the list. Time will tell. The names that I posted as low on the list are from various polls I looked at. My guess is that in the long run, W. will rank fairly low and Obama somewhere in the middle. My guess is the current negatively inflammatory opinions toward Obama will fade with time.

One thing for sure, most Americans- much of the world for that matter- are still waiting for a leader that inspires. Either that or no leader at all.

I think most Americans expect just one thing from their Presidents: War. If a U.S President doesn't start a war somewhere on foreign soil, then he's considered weak, or uninspiring.

I agree, it appears WAR and our presidency go together or you are deemed a push over.

Peace

pandora

Good thing I still agree with myself from pages back

hedonist

Byrnzie wrote:

I think most Americans expect just one thing from their Presidents: War. If a U.S President doesn't start a war somewhere on foreign soil, then he's considered weak, or uninspiring.

Really?

Maybe I'm not "most Americans", but that's not my expectation. Where are you getting that from?

From here, I expect anyone who claims they're qualified to lead this country, to do just that.

Be smart, be responsible, no hiding, no excuses, no double-talking, no shots, no strings. No divisiveness.

Follow through with the promises made.

Party affiliation means shit to me.

DO YOUR FUCKING JOB, AND DO IT WELL.

Maybe with some integrity too.

So tough to accomplish?

Godfather.

brianlux wrote:

aerial wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

obama. worst
best....still up for debate.


Godfather.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course, but there are no polls to support this opinion. You guys are in a small minority. Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler and a few others consistently rank lowest.

all long before my time,I was thinking in my era.

Godfather.

Godfather.

hedonist wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

I think most Americans expect just one thing from their Presidents: War. If a U.S President doesn't start a war somewhere on foreign soil, then he's considered weak, or uninspiring.

Really?

Maybe I'm not "most Americans", but that's not my expectation. Where are you getting that from?

From here, I expect anyone who claims they're qualified to lead this country, to do just that.

Be smart, be responsible, no hiding, no excuses, no double-talking, no shots, no strings. No divisiveness.

Follow through with the promises made.

Party affiliation means shit to me.

DO YOUR FUCKING JOB, AND DO IT WELL.

Maybe with some integrity too.

So tough to accomplish?

awesome post !
Byrnzie is just trying to push buttons.

Godfather.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

Byrnzie is just trying to push buttons.

Godfather.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2008-08 ... -president
Yes, America's economy is a war economy. Not a "manufacturing" economy. Not an "agricultural" economy. Nor a "service" economy. Not even a "consumer" economy.

Seriously, I looked into your eyes, America, saw deep into your soul. So let's get honest and officially call it "America's Outrageous War Economy." Admit it: we secretly love our war economy. And that's the answer to Jim Grant's thought-provoking question last month in the Wall Street Journal -- "Why No Outrage?"

There really is only one answer: Deep inside we love war. We want war. Need it. Relish it. Thrive on war. War is in our genes, deep in our DNA. War excites our economic brain. War drives our entrepreneurial spirit. War thrills the American soul. Oh just admit it, we have a love affair with war. We love "America's Outrageous War Economy."

Americans passively zone out playing video war games. We nod at 90-second news clips of Afghan war casualties and collateral damage in Georgia. We laugh at Jon Stewart's dark comedic news and Ben Stiller's new war spoof "Tropic Thunder" ... all the while silently, by default, we're cheering on our leaders as they aggressively expand "America's Outrageous War Economy," a relentless machine that needs a steady diet of war after war, feeding on itself, consuming our values, always on the edge of self-destruction.

Why else are Americans so eager and willing to surrender 54% of their tax dollars to a war machine, which consumes 47% of the world's total military budgets?
Why are there more civilian mercenaries working for no-bid private war contractors than the total number of enlisted military in Iraq (180,000 to 160,000), at an added cost to taxpayers in excess of $200 billion and climbing daily?
Why do we shake our collective heads "yes" when our commander-in-chief proudly tells us he is a "war president;" and his party's presidential candidate chants "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," as if "war" is a celebrity hit song?
Why do our spineless Democrats let an incompetent, blundering executive branch hide hundreds of billions of war costs in sneaky "supplemental appropriations" that are more crooked than Enron's off-balance-sheet deals?
Why have Washington's 537 elected leaders turned the governance of the American economy over to 42,000 greedy self-interest lobbyists?
And why earlier this year did our "support-our-troops" "war president" resist a new GI Bill because, as he said, his military might quit and go to college rather than re-enlist in his war; now we continue paying the Pentagon's warriors huge $100,000-plus bonuses to re-up so they can keep expanding "America's Outrageous War Economy?" Why? Because we secretly love war!

Smellyman

we do seem to grotesquely take great pride in war, military.

When we go to war the nation swells into a patriotic fervor, nothing can be questioned or you're an unpatirotic, unamerican, troop shater.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Byrnzie wrote:

Funny, but I thought that your goofy, frat-boy President, George W. Bush was undoubtedly the most incompetent President your country has ever had.
I mean, I think it's clear to any reasonable person that Dubya was an idiot. He wasn't a leader. And he just did what he was told - even then, with great difficulty. Didn't he break the record for the least amount of public appearances, and foreign travel, of any President before him in the age of t.v? He was such a complete moron that even his puppet masters were afraid and embarrassed to wheel him out onto the public stage.

To deny this means you a are a fucking imbecile. Pure and simple.

The 'worst president' portion of this thread should have been done with the very first responder simply stating the obvious. Everyone else should have said, "Okay. Well... the second worst president then."

The best president can definitely be up for debate.

otter

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Funny, but I thought that your goofy, frat-boy President, George W. Bush was undoubtedly the most incompetent President your country has ever had.
I mean, I think it's clear to any reasonable person that Dubya was an idiot. He wasn't a leader. And he just did what he was told - even then, with great difficulty. Didn't he break the record for the least amount of public appearances, and foreign travel, of any President before him in the age of t.v? He was such a complete moron that even his puppet masters were afraid and embarrassed to wheel him out onto the public stage.

To deny this means you a are a fucking imbecile. Pure and simple.

The 'worst president' portion of this thread should have been done with the very first responder simply stating the obvious. Everyone else should have said, "Okay. Well... the second worst president then."

The best president can definitely be up for debate.

Yinz are like a baby birdies, mouths agape swallowing what you are fed and happily ignorant to any other possibility. It's quite sick the influence media has over youzes brains. Bush can be considered a prez who could have been better. "He could have been better" because he was inherently good; his problem was not that he was too "right wing" his problem was that he was recklessly swayed by the congress gearing up for an Obama presidency.

Obama, the worst thing that has ever happened to the US, kept the destructive policies of Bush and added a sympathy for the enemy. Then took the bail out Mountra of Bush and threw borrowed money at anyone who would take it.

The current douche bag in the White House literally (and I mean literally) got all the money in the world and didn't do one lasting positive thing. At least FDR had some good ideas; BHO has zero, zilch, nada.

The dude only kept one campaign promise...he reversed global warming; it's fucking freezing here!

JonnyPistachio

otter wrote:

Bush can be considered a prez who could have been better. "He could have been better" because he was inherently good; his problem was not that he was too "right wing" his problem was that he was recklessly swayed by the congress gearing up for an Obama presidency.!

..Oh man, that is too funny! Thanks for the laugh.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

otter wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Funny, but I thought that your goofy, frat-boy President, George W. Bush was undoubtedly the most incompetent President your country has ever had.
I mean, I think it's clear to any reasonable person that Dubya was an idiot. He wasn't a leader. And he just did what he was told - even then, with great difficulty. Didn't he break the record for the least amount of public appearances, and foreign travel, of any President before him in the age of t.v? He was such a complete moron that even his puppet masters were afraid and embarrassed to wheel him out onto the public stage.

To deny this means you a are a fucking imbecile. Pure and simple.

The 'worst president' portion of this thread should have been done with the very first responder simply stating the obvious. Everyone else should have said, "Okay. Well... the second worst president then."

The best president can definitely be up for debate.

Yinz are like a baby birdies, mouths agape swallowing what you are fed and happily ignorant to any other possibility. It's quite sick the influence media has over youzes brains. Bush can be considered a prez who could have been better. "He could have been better" because he was inherently good; his problem was not that he was too "right wing" his problem was that he was recklessly swayed by the congress gearing up for an Obama presidency.

Obama, the worst thing that has ever happened to the US, kept the destructive policies of Bush and added a sympathy for the enemy. Then took the bail out Mountra of Bush and threw borrowed money at anyone who would take it.

The current douche bag in the White House literally (and I mean literally) got all the money in the world and didn't do one lasting positive thing. At least FDR had some good ideas; BHO has zero, zilch, nada.

The dude only kept one campaign promise...he reversed global warming; it's fucking freezing here!

It's clear to me that you have no idea how foolish you come across on these boards.

That is all.

Abuskedti

Best:
Obama (combating national racism and calming irrational hatrid, stopped torture again, shrinking wars)
Lincoln (we all know what he did)

Worst:
W (Iraq war - fueling hatred of Muslims - torture)
Jackson (indians)
Buchanan and Pierce (because we had to wait for Lincoln)

catefrances

Abuskedti wrote:

..Jackson (indians)...

he was a cleveland fan??

JimmyV

Too soon to fairly/accurately evaluate Obama, GWB or Clinton. Reagan was deified prematurely and undeservedly.