Posters at the shows

pjfan9110

if you want to trade fine...but don't buy like three or more posters at one show....then you're depriving other people who just want one...

Milestone

13PJ13 wrote:

I wish people would realize that vigilante justice is just immaturity in a different form. Anyone who takes it upon themselves to vandalize someone else's property, NO MATTER what the purpose of that property, is just a flat out asshole. And those of you who condone this behavior are assholes as well.

Well, I guess I'm an asshole. I condone this behavior. If 10 club isn't going to enforce the rules, and the vendors aren't going to enforce the rules, then I guess it's up to us.

Sharon_Hearts_PJ

Milestone wrote:

Well, I guess I'm an asshole. I condone this behavior. If 10 club isn't going to enforce the rules, and the vendors aren't going to enforce the rules, then I guess it's up to us.

10club does what it can to enforce. The signs are given to the vendors, and the rules are known by the vendors. In my experience (East Rutherford 2) the vendors WERE the problem, so they do get blamed.
Yes, the folks who buy multiples are selfish, and yes, they are assholes too. That is not even debatable. But nothing is up to us in this! That is fucking bullshit. The vendors allow it, the selfish do it, and at that point it is out of our hands. I'll say this again for the slow and learning imparied:
You DO NOT take it upon yourself to vandalize someone else's goddamn property, no matter what they plan to do with it. That's just plain fucked behavior.

pjfan9110

yeah i agree that you shouldn't destroy someone else's posters...it just sucks people are so greedy....like people have said before put a big black x on peoples hands once they've bought the posters

applenut

There is no reason multiples should not be allowed. You don't know the circumstances of someone's purchase. Perhaps they are buying one for a diehard fan who couldn't make it and want one for themself. Or some other reason, or to give as a gift or whatever.

It's not like you can truly enforce this anyway. What's the difference between me buying 2. Or me giving my gf who's with me the money to buy the 2nd when she wouldn't buy one before.

It doesn't matter. The rule is ridiculous and unenforceable. Just print more photos.

I'm tired of this art argument bullshit. Clearly the only reason you guys want the posters limited is so you can make money off of them yourself.

denverfan

stonewastheprblm wrote:

Youd be better off buying them a band aid. If it were me and someone spilt their beer on their posters I would knock their teeth out.

Ultimately your only screwing the person who ends up buying them. Do you think the seller is going to trash them. They will sell them anyway as "near mint"

this guy needs to meet my trick...normally I reserve it for those creeping from the 300 level to my 10c seats, but I suppose it would work in this situation..the ol' knock you out with one punch trick...

Sharon_Hearts_PJ

applenut wrote:

There is no reason multiples should not be allowed. You don't know the circumstances of someone's purchase. Perhaps they are buying one for a diehard fan who couldn't make it and want one for themself. Or some other reason, or to give as a gift or whatever.

It's not like you can truly enforce this anyway. What's the difference between me buying 2. Or me giving my gf who's with me the money to buy the 2nd when she wouldn't buy one before.

It doesn't matter. The rule is ridiculous and unenforceable. Just print more photos.

I'm tired of this art argument bullshit. Clearly the only reason you guys want the posters limited is so you can make money off of them yourself.

Again with your "art argument bullshit?" Clearly you cannot seperate, in your head, something having value and something making money for someone.
There are people in the world called art collectors. They may have something in their collection, to own and to keep forever, and have every right to not want the value to go down just because reproductions of it are made.

And there's a HUGE difference between someone and their girlfriend buying 2 between them, and a vendor selling a single person 5 or 6 or even 10 copies at once. You know this, I know this, and everyone else here knows this.
Your arguments have no substance my friend. Move on.

stonewastheprblm

falcon wrote:

Obviously you've never missed out on getting a poster at a show. If someone buys 6 of them, they should be ready to deal with 5 people who were denied posters because they weren't following the rules.

You have nobody to blame but yourself if you dont get a poster.Ive been to 9 shows so far this tour and gotten a poster everytime except for Cincy when I didnt even try because I didnt want to get to the venue until right when PJ went on.

If somebody in front of you bought 6 then you should have gotten in line before them.

By this same rational should all of us long time collectors get first dibs at posters because we have been collection for 10 years? If its about entitlement shouldnt the long term collectors who started this whole collectibility movement be rewarded before all the newbie parasites that have hopped on the poster bandwagon.

Anon

vein wrote:

There's no question the easiest thing the band can do to "help" slightly in this matter is to allow every 10c member that buys tickets to the show an option for 1 poster. This will at least put "most" posters in the hands of the right people.

You're mistaken if you think 10C members aren't some of the ones selling on ebay. I don't know what the solution is although I do like the big "X" on the forehead idea. The whole situation has gotten a little out of hand having to get into the venue when the doors open just to try and get one and then hanging out for 2+ hours waiting for PJ. I don't have a collection - just a few favorites. Most of the posters I buy are for people who didn't make it to the show.

applenut

13PJ13 wrote:

Again with your "art argument bullshit?" Clearly you cannot seperate, in your head, something having value and something making money for someone.
There are people in the world called art collectors. They may have something in their collection, to own and to keep forever, and have every right to not want the value to go down just because reproductions of it are made.

And there's a HUGE difference between someone and their girlfriend buying 2 between them, and a vendor selling a single person 5 or 6 or even 10 copies at once. You know this, I know this, and everyone else here knows this.
Your arguments have no substance my friend. Move on.

These posters are far from art.

They are concert bills. They have been around for ever. While some of them are now worth a good amount of money there was never an issue of suppply and demand like this. This is just stupid and very unPearl Jam and you know that.

What ever happen to innocent until proven guilty? Youu'd rather just assume everyone is a thief and should be hurt my a limit rather than be fair and trust people. Sure, there are always those who take advantage. That's part of life.

All they have to do is print 1,000 more and a lot of you would have no argument.

neartodeath

vein wrote:

There's no question the easiest thing the band can do to "help" slightly in this matter is to allow every 10c member that buys tickets to the show an option for 1 poster. This will at least put "most" posters in the hands of the right people.

this is the way.

applenut

neartodeath wrote:

this is the way.

oh yea. so the same people who are doing this get another one easily.

it's the 10 club people that are primarily at the show as soon as the gates open. and its them who actually care about this stuff.

denverfan

applenut wrote:

oh yea. so the same people who are doing this get another one easily.

it's the 10 club people that are primarily at the show as soon as the gates open. and its them who actually care about this stuff.

I was shut out last night, it didn't really suck as the posters were exactly the same from the night before, not even a color change? What the fuck! I do however collect the posters as I view them as art. I have all my posters framed and matted nice and always receive compliments on them. It's art to me, maybe a few more could be printed...but as I said earlier, I was one of those guys who bought two and sold one...until I was shut down, and now I feel for those who are shut down and stopped buying extras since 98'.

Bathgate66

MSG 03 , all over again.


blame the crooked concessionaires. Hoarding them, then flipping them later on eBay . ( especially when they see the foaming at the mouth fans scurrying about to get their hands on one )

Why are people consistantly blaming 10C ?
They have little or nothing to do with concession sales at any given venue . In fact, when they do put them up for sale, its explicitly 1 per member not to be resold .


One method would be to ticket- punch your ticket stub after purchasing your 1 allowed poster. Or, perhaps , marked in some fashion with a magic marker- or whatever. You need your ticketstub to get your 1 allowed poster . No ticket, no poster, plain and simple . This would severly cut down on multiples and eBay flippers .

liesandsays

Stupid People + ebay (the epitome of capitalism) = the real problem
problme
in my opinion the real losers are the idiots who buy a bunch of stuff and sell on ebay... they are just contributing to ebay's outrageous profits..

Meg Whitman makes how much? Why? Because ebay charges a small fortune in fees... you pay listing, and then a portion of your sales price...etc.. it is a hard way to make a buck and anyone who thinks they are getting rich on ebay is an idiot...

plus... they are exceptionally greedy to buy more than one item at a show..

BluntManGuy

denverfan wrote:

I was shut out last night, it didn't really suck as the posters were exactly the same from the night before, not even a color change? What the fuck! I do however collect the posters as I view them as art. I have all my posters framed and matted nice and always receive compliments on them. It's art to me, maybe a few more could be printed...but as I said earlier, I was one of those guys who bought two and sold one...until I was shut down, and now I feel for those who are shut down and stopped buying extras since 98'.

I was able to get the Pearl Jam only poster without any problems (night 2 they still had them at the end of the concert) but the Pearl Jam/Tom Petty one is the one I missed out on...if anyone found an extra please PM me!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/bluntmang420/denver2.jpg

Sharon_Hearts_PJ

stonewastheprblm wrote:

If somebody in front of you bought 6 then you should have gotten in line before them.

By your "logic" this means that any of us who want our poster should be very first in line. How in the fuck is this possible?

And I'm really happy for any of you who got a poster at every show you went to, but I'd be willing to bet you were not at East Rutherford 2.

Lukin2Not4You

if the posters are strictly limited i hope everyone is ready for the ebay prices to double and triple. i cant think of a solution besides increasing the print runs, however that will piss off even more people. its a no win situation.

stonewastheprblm

13PJ13 wrote:

By your "logic" this means that any of us who want our poster should be very first in line. How in the fuck is this possible?

And I'm really happy for any of you who got a poster at every show you went to, but I'd be willing to bet you were not at East Rutherford 2.

I was at E. Rutherford 2 and I got 2 posters. I only got there about 20 minutes before doors opened.

Sharon_Hearts_PJ

stonewastheprblm wrote:

I was at E. Rutherford 2 and I got 2 posters. I only got there about 20 minutes before doors opened.

I don't see how, but I'm not accusing you of lying. I assure you I was in line for doors by 5:30, with only 3 people ahead of my own group of friends. After the holdup at the door with the guy in front of us fighting the guard to bring his poster tube in, we got onto 1, 2, and then 3 poster lines to have them sell out in front of us each time. Meanwhile, we watched several people walk away from the vendors with anywhere from 5 to 10 posters each.