more lance armstrong allegations and now charges....

Idris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfynwibYot8&feature=related

An interview/news piece with/about Oscar Pistorius

guypjfreak

i agree mikepegg44 .......and Shelck out christ i missed that ..............that means ive lost a £10 already

i fancy Nibali to do well ..ive caught the race the last 4 years but doesnt look like ill do it this year but got sky in the garden this year so happy days ah..back in 2007 when it started in London we went to a place just outside Tonbridge Wells to catch it and painted the roads in white gloss .i thought we had had itwhen the old bill stopped us [we were pissed]but they just laughed at our white hands ..if you google earth and follow the route you can still just make out the old sons we wrote in the road

o to be young

mikepegg44

Idris wrote:

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and the rest of your post is quite similar to what I was going to reply with, with the exception of the MMA part, I'll YouTube some 'Anderson Silva' vids. I don't know too much about that world.
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check out the documentary Like Water about Anderson. The guy is amazingly skilled.



I will let you figure out who he is

gimmesometruth27

we must not forget that a lot of the elite level athletes have their own chemists as well. the drug testing does not test for the actual drug, it tests for the masking agents that athletes take to cover the substance in their bodies, or they test for the byproducts in the body once the drugs have been metabolized. drug testing is an ever evolving science, much like cyber security. the hackers (or drug cheats) are always one step ahead of those preventing the hacks (drug testers). it is a chemical game of cat and mouse.

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

we must not forget that a lot of the elite level athletes have their own chemists as well. the drug testing does not test for the actual drug, it tests for the masking agents that athletes take to cover the substance in their bodies, or they test for the byproducts in the body once the drugs have been metabolized. drug testing is an ever evolving science, much like cyber security. the hackers (or drug cheats) are always one step ahead of those preventing the hacks (drug testers). it is a chemical game of cat and mouse.

yep. That is why I just think it is pointless. If you bring it above board and allow these substances, it takes away the black market and allows supervised use to be the norm.

Plus, I like the fact that 300 lbs athletes in the NFL can run a .45 40 yard dash and jump out of the gym...it just feels right... I can tell you that I will be starting a regimen of human growth hormone the second it becomes legal OTC...that stuff works wonders. I will be like mickey rooney as fallout boy...Jiminy Jilickers

ComeToTX

I have mixed feeling about Lance. The guy has done a lot to inspire people and has raised awareness and money for cancer research. There's no doubt in my mind he doped though. The guy is a piece of crap in his personal life. Cheats on his wife and girlfriends habitually. I've personaly seen him around Austin treat people like shit and talk to people like they are beneath him. I've actually never heard anyone say anything good about him...

polaris_x

sooo ... despite the overwhelming evidence of not only lance cheating and lying, it is also evident that he is scum and an asshole ... yet, i would say, only in america could this guy still walk around with his head high ... one of the biggest frauds out there is still supported by all his major sponsors and corporations ... frig ... even tiger lost sponsors and he didn't even lie ... it is no wonder, that the political climate is so divided and toxic ... people are so indoctrinated in their nationalism that even in the light of epic scumbagness - so many people turn a blind eye ... it really explains why the US continues to sell arms around the world continue to support oppressive regimes ... absolutely no accountability ...

consider this my anti-american rant for the week ...

catefrances

mikepegg44 wrote:

yep. That is why I just think it is pointless. If you bring it above board and allow these substances, it takes away the black market and allows supervised use to be the norm.

Plus, I like the fact that 300 lbs athletes in the NFL can run a .45 40 yard dash and jump out of the gym...it just feels right... I can tell you that I will be starting a regimen of human growth hormone the second it becomes legal OTC...that stuff works wonders. I will be like mickey rooney as fallout boy...Jiminy Jilickers

WHAT!? so i want to perform at the elite level in my sports and you want me to use PED to do so just cause some arseholes cant play fair?? that is just bullshit. and exactly what message are you sending to all those kids out there... that its ok to use PED to be the best in the world at your sport cause "everyone" is doing it?.. and that it may well be the only way to beat the other athletes??? what a shocking example to set. how about the druggos just fuck off and form their own competition.

even flow - question mark

When my buddy and I were hooked on watching the tour, one of our fave things that happened was that Lance and Ullrich, were climbing the mountains and Lance looks at the guy, says a few words and then just pulls away like he had sooooo much extra mustard. We joked for years that Lance said to him, I have better drugs then you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHJErrp4eOw

1:38 mark

g under p

even flow - question mark wrote:

When my buddy and I were hooked on watching the tour, one of our fave things that happened was that Lance and Ullrich, were climbing the mountains and Lance looks at the guy, says a few words and then just pulls away like he had sooooo much extra mustard. We joked for years that Lance said to him, I have better drugs then you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHJErrp4eOw

1:38 mark

Oh man do I ever remember that, I called it *THe Look*. I hope one day to climb Alpe D'Huez and climb the 21 switchbacks, 8% incline in record time.

Peace

polaris_x

g under p wrote:

Oh man do I ever remember that, I called it *THe Look*. I hope one day to climb Alpe D'Huez and climb the 21 switchbacks, 8% incline in record time.

Peace

there are rumours that next year's tour (100th anniversary) will actually end on alpe d'huez! ... that would be sooo awesome ...

g under p

polaris_x wrote:

g under p wrote:

Oh man do I ever remember that, I called it *THe Look*. I hope one day to climb Alpe D'Huez and climb the 21 switchbacks, 8% incline in record time.

Peace

there are rumours that next year's tour (100th anniversary) will actually end on alpe d'huez! ... that would be sooo awesome ...

I can see that something unusual and different is surely needed to bring the TDF into and through a whole new era of cycling.

Peace

lukin2006

Tour would vacate titles if UCI strips Armstrong

The Tour de France will have no official winners for the seven races from 1999-2005 if Lance Armstrong is stripped of his victories by the UCI for doping.

Tour director Christian Prudhomme told The Associated Press on Friday that the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency's report on Armstrong is "damning" and called into question "a system and an era."

Prudhomme said a final decision still was contingent on cycling's international governing body. UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani said it was "too early to say" what will happen.

"We have a deadline of Oct. 31 to respond (to the USADA report)," Carpani said.

A decision not to reattribute Armstrong's victories would leave a seven-year hole in Tour de France record books. It would also mark a shift in how Tour organizers treated similar cases in the past.

When Alberto Contador was stripped of his 2010 Tour victory for a doping violation, organizers held a ceremony to award the race winner's yellow jersey to Luxembourg's Andy Schleck. In 2006, Oscar Pereiro was awarded the victory and a place in the record books after the doping disqualification of American rider Floyd Landis.

Prudhomme refused to talk about the discrepancy in treatment.

In an interview with the AP last month, UCI President Pat McQuaid said he also would prefer to leave those years blank.

"The podium of those tours, second and third, by and large a lot of them either have been convicted of doping some way or another, or would be suspected in terms of doping," McQuaid said. "If it's a question that we would declare that era as a black era, then I'm not afraid to do so."

gimmesometruth27

armstrong lost his nike sponsorship...

http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/201 ... trong?lite


i guess he can always fall back on a milk sponsorship..



"i'm completely miserable san diego...........it's so damn hot.......milk was a baad choice...."

polaris_x

biggest sports fraud ever ...

pandora

I admit I haven't been following but who did he piss off?

He swears he's innocent so lets just say that is true.
Who's out for blood and wants him off the charity board?

Hopefully the charity will remain strong.

redrock

I gave him the benefit the doubt for a long time but it seems that now, evidence is overwhelming. It is very, very disappointing to say the least. He was such an inspiration for many, only to find out that he was the main protagonist in a very sophisticated and sustained doping 'program' (not sure what to call this). A cheat and a fake really.... What a let down.

I guess it's only right for the sponsors to dump him and for Armstrong to be removed from the chairmanship of Livestrong.

As far as I gather Anheuser-Busch and Nike will continue to support Livestrong.


Here is the "USADA's raft of documents, which is known collectively as its "reasoned decision" in banning Armstrong from competitive cycling and stripping him of his seven Tour de France titles following his refusal to engage in arbitration over the doping charges, were sent to the International Cycling Union (UCI), the World Anti-Doping Agency and the World Triathlon Corporation on Oct. 10, 2012." if you fancy reading 200+ pages. Or maybe just look at the Table of Contents and go to the bits of interest.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/docume ... strong/72/

polaris_x

redrock wrote:

I guess it's only right for the sponsors to dump him and for Armstrong to be removed from the chairmanship of Livestrong.

As far as I gather Anheuser-Busch and Nike will continue to support Livestrong.

don't be fooled by the sponsors ... it's strictly a business decision ... they are still supporting lance ... just not in the open ... also, if the reports are true ... companies like nike and oakley are directly linked to the scam that is lance armstrong ... reports say that the ex-president of the UCI was bribed by both lance and nike to cover up his positive test in the tour de suisse ...

redrock

I didn't know about the links/bribed/cover-ups polaris! Far fetching all of this. Of course for the sponsors (whether the likes of Nike or charities), it's a business decision. They can't be seen to be 'condoning' his actions by keeping him as a figurehead.

Also, though he is no longer chairman of Livestrong, I think he is still on the board....

g under p

polaris_x wrote:

redrock wrote:

I guess it's only right for the sponsors to dump him and for Armstrong to be removed from the chairmanship of Livestrong.

As far as I gather Anheuser-Busch and Nike will continue to support Livestrong.

don't be fooled by the sponsors ... it's strictly a business decision ... they are still supporting lance ... just not in the open ... also, if the reports are true ... companies like nike and oakley are directly linked to the scam that is lance armstrong ... reports say that the ex-president of the UCI was bribed by both lance and nike to cover up his positive test in the tour de suisse ...

As much I liked him he sure was very confident he could have kept this doping of his quiet. Don't these people who do these cheating in sports know it's just not worht it you are going to get caught. Even if you don't get caught I find it very hard to live with the fact that you didn't beat your opponents fair and square or is the thinking everybody is cheating so why don't I?

Peace