The battle for Wisconsin- WI needs all of you!

Go Beavers

Jason P wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

You're trying to claim that the Wisconsin vote was a statement about reducing spending, which it wasn't. You're only backing your stance up with spin. I could say the Ohio vote was the first litmus test, not the Wisconsin vote. I could outspin you with the Ohio example.

What would have been your response if Walker had lost??? What would have the voters wanted? Or can we only calculate voter thoughts based on a question from an exit poll?

San Jose ... liberal hot-bed city voting on similar measures?

San Diego ... better known as "the whale's vagina" voting on similar measures?

Several pretty liberal cities ... even though no recall, they must have not liked recalls either, right?

Good questions. I would say that people shouldn't draw conclusions without additional data. Without the polling data, people make their conclusion based on how the battle was framed by media before hand. In this case, it was made to be Walker vs. the unions, and since Walker won, people then falsely conclude that it was a declaration against unions. But the polling data suggests otherwise, so that should be incorporated into the dialogue.

There's more information to gather about San Jose and San Diego. Those were essentially votes about budgeting. Voter turnout and attitudes about fiscal responsibility would be good to know. There's also always hardcore conservatives in liberal areas.

If Walker would have lost of course at first I would view it as a liberal victory over a jack-ass conservative. In that case exit polling would have shown that he was recall worthy. I'd be open to hearing the reasons why people thought he was recall worthy. Maybe those wouldn't be liberal in nature.

Johnny Abruzzo

Jason P wrote:

San Diego ... better known as "the whale's vagina" voting on similar measures?

San Diego had many notorious public pension increases when they had a "surplus" in the 90s. They were long overdue for pension adjustments.

These elections are largely based on local issues and are not really a reflection of the national climate.

If Obama loses Wisconsin it will only be because the electoral map is a sea of red.

EdsonNascimento

Go Beavers wrote:

Good questions. I would say that people shouldn't draw conclusions without additional data. Without the polling data, people make their conclusion based on how the battle was framed by media before hand. In this case, it was made to be Walker vs. the unions, and since Walker won, people then falsely conclude that it was a declaration against unions. But the polling data suggests otherwise, so that should be incorporated into the dialogue.

There's more information to gather about San Jose and San Diego. Those were essentially votes about budgeting. Voter turnout and attitudes about fiscal responsibility would be good to know. There's also always hardcore conservatives in liberal areas.

If Walker would have lost of course at first I would view it as a liberal victory over a jack-ass conservative. In that case exit polling would have shown that he was recall worthy. I'd be open to hearing the reasons why people thought he was recall worthy. Maybe those wouldn't be liberal in nature.

I didn't say anything about Unions. As a matter of fact I stated it should not be spun as an anti-union commentary, but solely an anti-spending. Which, is the unspun truth.

It was Walker vs. Spending with the Union twist to get in the way (of interpretation, etc. as you say). But, at it's core, it's clearly an anti-spending vote. Like you said - the media may have framed it as a Union battle, and we should not take those simple terms. Those like you and me are way too smart to fall for that. We know it was truly about spending in general.