Tom Gabel of Against Me! transgendered

sleeplikeadog

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... r-20120508


Didn't see that coming! I guess I should have known considering he wrote a song that said, "If I could have chosen I would have been born a woman, my mother once told me she would have named me Laura". I just thought he was singing from someone elses perspective.
Good for him, though. The only thing that bothers me is that the hormones will probably affect his voice. Does that mean no more Against Me? They are my favorite band besides PJ

gimmesometruth27

yeah that is pretty crazy. i never would have guessed. i hope that everyone respects his decision and gives him their support. i am thinking that the punk community will be a little more accepting of him. could you imagine the backlash if a rapper decided to do this? good luck to laura!

i am thinking that their voice will definitely change. i can't read the article at work so i can not speculate on the future of the band, but i hope that they continue to tour and write. i love those guys too.

catefrances

good vibes laura.

samjam

So courageous for her to do this. I wish Laura the best!

peacefrompaul

Good for Laura! All my best

DewieCox

samjam wrote:

So courageous for her to do this. I wish Laura the best!

I think it's the opposite of courageous. I think he needs mental help.

halv

All my respect to Tom soon to be Laura for being brave and embracing who she really is. I really hope people in general are understanding and kind to her. So far the comments I have read are mostly supportive. It will be interesting to see how this affects Against Me! and their upcoming new album. She will still be an amazing musician but you would think there would definitely be a voice change. I guess we'll find out.

Indifference71

sleeplikeadog wrote:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-gabel-of-against-me-comes-out-as-transgender-20120508


Didn't see that coming! I guess I should have known considering he wrote a song that said, "If I could have chosen I would have been born a woman, my mother once told me she would have named me Laura". I just thought he was singing from someone elses perspective.
Good for him, though. The only thing that bothers me is that the hormones will probably affect his voice. Does that mean no more Against Me? They are my favorite band besides PJ

Wow. That's a shocker.

Like you said, there will definitely be a voice change. Too bad because I love Gabel's voice.

sleeplikeadog

DewieCox wrote:

samjam wrote:

So courageous for her to do this. I wish Laura the best!

I think it's the opposite of courageous. I think he needs mental help.

I'm gonna pretend like you didn't say that :shock:

DewieCox

sleeplikeadog wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

samjam wrote:

So courageous for her to do this. I wish Laura the best!

I think it's the opposite of courageous. I think he needs mental help.

I'm gonna pretend like you didn't say that :shock:

Please, don't.

I just don't buy into the fact that he or anyone was born a woman in a man's body or vice versa.

quimby20

I'm going to see them on June 2nd, let you know what I think after the show. What a great Band.

Wilds

DewieCox wrote:

sleeplikeadog wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

I think it's the opposite of courageous. I think he needs mental help.

I'm gonna pretend like you didn't say that :shock:

Please, don't.

I just don't buy into the fact that he or anyone was born a woman in a man's body or vice versa.

How can you not understand that?

There are people born with both organs. They are going to be sexually attracted to whomever they are attracted to.

If surgery is done (say at a young age) to remove the penis, and the person was oriented to be attracted to woman, then that person will probably have wished to become a man.

This is not some type of high physics. It's a fact of being born oriented however you are oriented.

:fp:



As for Tom Gable, may he find as much happiness as possible as he becomes Laura.

Good for her. She must be a very strong person to do this in the face of so much ignorance in this world.

Bravo.

sleeplikeadog

Please, don't.

I just don't buy into the fact that he or anyone was born a woman in a man's body or vice versa.[/quote]

You are entitled to your opinion, and I don't have to like it ......and vice versa.

DewieCox

Wilds wrote:

How can you not understand that?

There are people born with both organs. They are going to be sexually attracted to whomever they are attracted to.

If surgery is done (say at a young age) to remove the penis, and the person was oriented to be attracted to woman, then that person will probably have wished to become a man.

This is not some type of high physics. It's a fact of being born oriented however you are oriented.

:fp:

Is that what happened here? Was he born with both sets of genitalia and his parents or doctors or whoever makes the call "guessed" wrong? Doesn't seem that way from the stuff I've read.

On one hand I can respect the level of bravery it took to come to his decision, but that's really where it ends. I think it's become far too easy in general for people to do these drastic life changing surgeries. There's gotta be a better way.

Nobody's life is perfect, but there are surely ways to maximize fulfillment without completely altering the hand your dealt.

catefrances

DewieCox wrote:

Wilds wrote:

How can you not understand that?

There are people born with both organs. They are going to be sexually attracted to whomever they are attracted to.

If surgery is done (say at a young age) to remove the penis, and the person was oriented to be attracted to woman, then that person will probably have wished to become a man.

This is not some type of high physics. It's a fact of being born oriented however you are oriented.

:fp:

Is that what happened here? Was he born with both sets of genitalia and his parents or doctors or whoever makes the call "guessed" wrong? Doesn't seem that way from the stuff I've read.

On one hand I can respect the level of bravery it took to come to his decision, but that's really where it ends. I think it's become far too easy in general for people to do these drastic life changing surgeries. There's gotta be a better way.

Nobody's life is perfect, but there are surely ways to maximize fulfillment without completely altering the hand your dealt.

so you want laura to settle for being tom even if shes miserable and doesnt feel that tom is who shes suppose to be? you basically want her to live a lie cause you have aproblem with it? bit selfish dont you think?

mysticweed

Rock On SISTER

DewieCox

catefrances wrote:

so you want laura to settle for being tom even if shes miserable and doesnt feel that tom is who shes suppose to be? you basically want her to live a lie cause you have aproblem with it? bit selfish dont you think?

No, don't settle for being Tom. Be the best fucking Tom they can be. I don't want anybody to live a lie, but to counter your point, I think it's as much of a lie for him to get surgery to become a woman.

I fail to see how my opinion on this is selfish. I'm all for everybody being happy, I just wonder if there is a better more natural way.

catefrances

DewieCox wrote:

catefrances wrote:

so you want laura to settle for being tom even if shes miserable and doesnt feel that tom is who shes suppose to be? you basically want her to live a lie cause you have aproblem with it? bit selfish dont you think?

No, don't settle for being Tom. Be the best fucking Tom they can be. I don't want anybody to live a lie, but to counter your point, I think it's as much of a lie for him to get surgery to become a woman.

I fail to see how my opinion on this is selfish. I'm all for everybody being happy, I just wonder if there is a better more natural way.

i think tom was already the best tom he could be but in the end he decided tom wasnt who he was... he was a she and she is laura.

and you dont see being laura as being the natural way for tom? cause you know i dont think tom woke up one day and thought i think i want to be a girl now.

Wilds

DewieCox wrote:

Wilds wrote:

How can you not understand that?

There are people born with both organs. They are going to be sexually attracted to whomever they are attracted to.

If surgery is done (say at a young age) to remove the penis, and the person was oriented to be attracted to woman, then that person will probably have wished to become a man.

This is not some type of high physics. It's a fact of being born oriented however you are oriented.

:fp:

Is that what happened here? Was he born with both sets of genitalia and his parents or doctors or whoever makes the call "guessed" wrong? Doesn't seem that way from the stuff I've read.

On one hand I can respect the level of bravery it took to come to his decision, but that's really where it ends. I think it's become far too easy in general for people to do these drastic life changing surgeries. There's gotta be a better way.

Nobody's life is perfect, but there are surely ways to maximize fulfillment without completely altering the hand your dealt.

I'm not saying that is what happened here.

I'm trying to make a simple example as to not confuse anyone.


If you woke up tomorrow and found out that your body was transformed from a man to a woman, would you automatically start to be attracted to men.

Of course not.

You would feel the exact same way as you do now, except your 'parts' would not match your feelings.

I bet it would take you about 30 seconds before deciding that you want to change back.


And she is dealing with it. The way she chooses. Why is your version of how someone should deal the correct one?


:nono:

facepollution

Wilds wrote:

I'm not saying that is what happened here.

I'm trying to make a simple example as to not confuse anyone.

If you woke up tomorrow and found out that your body was transformed from a man to a woman, would you automatically start to be attracted to men.

Of course not.

You would feel the exact same way as you do now, except your 'parts' would not match your feelings.

I bet it would take you about 30 seconds before deciding that you want to change back.

And she is dealing with it. The way she chooses. Why is your version of how someone should deal the correct one? :nono:

I'd throw that back at you and say why is yours correct?

Formation of identity is a very gray area, there is no factual evidence to say that it is ALL biological, nor is there evidence to say it is ALL nurture/environment.

I read something a while back where a guy had surgery to make him a woman, and after some time of living that way decided he wanted to change back - you can imagine the difficulties! A lot of transgendered people (particularly men changing to women) often suffer because society doesn't accept their new identity - all the surgery in the world won't make some men look like women, meaning they swap one set of problems for another.

I'm not about to judge the guy, I'm sure he must be suffering with a lot of issues, but on the other hand I don't believe that surgery is the only way for such a person to find happiness.

sleeplikeadog

I don't see why it bothers anyone, or why anyone who doesn't have anything nice or positive to say would say anything at all.