north carolina const. amendmnt on gay marraige

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    No, denying a person the right to choose is ignorant.

    Let's not go here in this thread. Surely you recognize that the abortion issue is more than just a simple right to choose or not. I think you're just being argumentative.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    know1 wrote:
    justam wrote:
    know1 wrote:

    And yet, they are still being put into a separate pile. Why?!

    Because they're not the same. .... By your logic, everyone should just be called a person or something is wrong. .

    :shock:
    If 'they' are not the same(as what/who) , ie a person, a human being, what are 'they'? Why label? I know we do this all the time - the coloured person, the redhead, etc. but labels are not what makes a person.

    A person can expect to have the same equal rights as another. Not the "I'm all for equal rights but not really because I don't agree with your lifestyle/colour/label/etc, so I will not allow you the right to use a certain word/ceremony to describe this supposedly equal right". Not 'equal right' then, is it?

    If one doesn't agree with the homosexual 'lifestyle' and does not approve of a same sex marriage (with all it's legal implications) as it goes against his/her values/morals, that's fine but let's not try to disguise it under false pretenses.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    redrock wrote:
    know1 wrote:

    Because they're not the same. .... By your logic, everyone should just be called a person or something is wrong. .

    :shock:
    If 'they' are not the same(as what/who) , ie a person, a human being, what are 'they'? Why label? I know we do this all the time - the coloured person, the redhead, etc. but labels are not what makes a person.

    A person can expect to have the same equal rights as another. Not the "I'm all for equal rights but not really because I don't agree with your lifestyle/colour/label/etc, so I will not allow you the right to use a certain word/ceremony to describe this supposedly equal right". Not 'equal right' then, is it?

    If one doesn't agree with the homosexual 'lifestyle' and does not approve of a same sex marriage (with all it's legal implications) as it goes against his/her values/morals, that's fine but let's not try to disguise it under false pretenses.

    I'm not even sure what you're talking about here (and nice selective quoting, by the way). You took my comment totally out of context and ignored the conversation string to which I was replying. The "they" I was referring was gay marriages in general, not people.

    Here's a recap:

    1. Someone asked why couldn't gay marriages just be called something else. They were thinking this might be a compromise to make them legal.
    2. A subsequent comment stated that calling gay marriages something different was akin to black people having separate drinking fountains, etc.
    3. I stated that it was nothing like blacks having separate drinking fountains.
    4. The comment was made that if that were the case, why were gay marriages put into a separate pile.
    5. I stated that it was because they were different and that we label things that are different all the time with not real negative consequences (man, woman, child, blonde, etc.)
    6. Then your comment came out of left field.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    people are people. and if people are allowed to get married then ALL people should be allowed to get married regardless of the sexuality. its quite simple when you think about it. but think too much....
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    how can you have the same thing under different names?

    man + woman = marriage

    man + man
    > same thing but different name?? :? :?

    i'm sorry, but it should be be called marriage if it is marriage.
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  • EmBleve
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    catefrances wrote:
    people are people. and if people are allowed to get married then ALL people should be allowed to get married regardless of the sexuality. its quite simple when you think about it. but think too much....
    Yes, I agree. If two people are in love and want to get married, nobody should have any right to tell them they can't get married, including having it legally recognized. If homosexuals are banned from marriage, why not ban interracial marriages? To me it's pretty analagous.
  • MotoDC
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    Rosdower wrote:
    ya know what, you're all correct. i apologize for having an opinion on a certain matter. I should have just agreed with the OP. For a second there i thought i had the right to free speech. Again, Forgive me for having an opinion.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    MotoDC wrote:
    Rosdower wrote:
    ya know what, you're all correct. i apologize for having an opinion on a certain matter. I should have just agreed with the OP. For a second there i thought i had the right to free speech. Again, Forgive me for having an opinion.
    :lol: New to the Train I see? Settle in, grab a beer (fridge is on the left), and be prepared to be expected to justify your comments.

    Maybe we should all go by the Lounge Car and have a drink!
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    redrock wrote:
    MotoDC wrote:
    Rosdower wrote:
    ya know what, you're all correct. i apologize for having an opinion on a certain matter. I should have just agreed with the OP. For a second there i thought i had the right to free speech. Again, Forgive me for having an opinion.
    :lol: New to the Train I see? Settle in, grab a beer (fridge is on the left), and be prepared to be expected to justify your comments.

    Maybe we should all go by the Lounge Car and have a drink!

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    but first maybe we should consult who owns the word "lounge" and what were the traditional uses of the word "lounge" so as to not soil it's meaning to some people ... 8-)
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    how can you have the same thing under different names?
    Why not? if it has all the same legal boundaries and with equal rights?
    It is not marriage because it is not between a man and a woman.
    It is a gay civil union.

    Once gay unions acquire the legal civil status nationwide with equality
    the only thing missing would be the religious reference to marriage
    and the government is not involved there,
    that is within the churches to recognize the unions.
    And I would think many churches would do just that.

    This would be a good move now for the current administration ...
    to pass an amendment recognizing civil gay unions with equal rights nationwide.
    Not touching the current marriage issue but granting equality to gay unions.

    Great big step for change
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    catefrances wrote:
    people are people. and if people are allowed to get married then ALL people should be allowed to get married regardless of the sexuality. its quite simple when you think about it. but think too much....

    I still don't think it's a right, but if you think about it, everyone actually can get married now.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    know1 wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    people are people. and if people are allowed to get married then ALL people should be allowed to get married regardless of the sexuality. its quite simple when you think about it. but think too much....

    I still don't think it's a right, but if you think about it, everyone actually can get married now.

    yeah you know what? i dont think marriage is a right either BUT i feel every single person should be allowed by law to get married and have it recognised as such.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    know1 wrote:
    but if you think about it, everyone actually can get married now.

    Know1, you make some good points, but this one always just seems to rub me the wrong way. Yes, I understand what you're saying - that we all have the opportunity to marry (someone of the opposite sex), but that line just makes me think that people are suggesting homosexuality is a choice. (i'm not saying you're saying that though). Point is, if you're gay, you're flat out exempt from marrying the person you love.

    Are you suggesting that gay folks should just cave in and marry someone of the opposite sex?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Are you suggesting that gay folks should just cave in and marry someone of the opposite sex?

    worked for john travolta. ;)8-)
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    catefrances wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Are you suggesting that gay folks should just cave in and marry someone of the opposite sex?

    worked for john travolta. ;)8-)

    :lol: and Tom Cruise!
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Why does it matter what its called? The problem lies with people thinking they have the right to tell other people how to live their lives. Why shouldnt a gay couple be allowed share health benefits?

    Marriage is a man made institution. God or the bible didn't create it. I would live to hear an argument opposing gay marriage that doesn't include god created Adam and eve not Adam and Steve. And I would like to hear how it affects you personally without hearing "I don't want me or my kids seeing two men kiss".
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,439
    pandora wrote:
    marriage...
    "the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc."

    A proponent of the law yesterday stated perhaps the gay community could leave marriage as is
    and establish a new amendment, giving a new name for the union of same sex couples
    with the same legal rights.

    Was curious about this. Dictionary.com:
    1. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
    2. a similar instituion involving partners of the same gender; gay marriage
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  • ComeToTX
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    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Why does it matter what its called? The problem lies with people thinking they have the right to tell other people how to live their lives. Why shouldnt a gay couple be allowed share health benefits?

    Marriage is a man made institution. God or the bible didn't create it. I would live to hear an argument opposing gay marriage that doesn't include god created Adam and eve not Adam and Steve. And I would like to hear how it affects you personally without hearing "I don't want me or my kids seeing two men kiss".

    At least people that say those things are honest about why they don't like a group of people. It's the people with 5 marriages (Rush) yelling about the preservation of marriage values that piss me off.
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  • know1
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    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    but if you think about it, everyone actually can get married now.

    Know1, you make some good points, but this one always just seems to rub me the wrong way. Yes, I understand what you're saying - that we all have the opportunity to marry (someone of the opposite sex), but that line just makes me think that people are suggesting homosexuality is a choice. (i'm not saying you're saying that though). Point is, if you're gay, you're flat out exempt from marrying the person you love.

    Are you suggesting that gay folks should just cave in and marry someone of the opposite sex?

    I'm actually saying that marriage is a choice.

    Although they're typically closely linked, marriage does not exactly equal sex or sexual preference either.

    What I'm saying is exactly what I'm saying - that everyone already does have an equal opportunity to choose to marry (I'm not using the word right).
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