People opposed clearly do not want a gay union to be called 'marriage'.
It is not marriage by definition nor history.
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time to look into the future instead of looking back at the past. there was a time quite recently when in my country the indigenous were not even considered people. we got over that and i think those who dont want gay union to be called marriage should get over it and embrace the future world. one where equality trumps outdated tradition.
Cate, this is VERY well put and exactly to the point. It's time to make equality more important than tradition!
Pandora, please don't take this lack of agreement to mean anyone hates your opinion or religion. You're still a lovely human being.
It's just that it's time for the world to change so that homosexuals are treated as equally valuable human beings.
I want to ban southerners from having children....
sadly in will not come to pass
Ive lived in the north and the south. Both have ignorance. I've known just as many yankees that think a woman shouldn't have the choose as rebels who think gays should be allowed to marry.
The common denominator of ignorance isn't where someone was raised, its religion.
So being anti-abortion is ignorance? That statement itself is ignorance.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Personally I do not think gay marriages are right. But I also think couples shouldn't live together without being married either.
That being said, I'm not out campaigning against either of them.
The biggest issue to me is why is our government wasting so much time on this issue. I think the government should get out of sanctioning marriages and let people do whatever they want to do.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
it's disturbing what this world is coming to, pretty soon people will want the right to be "married to their pet" or claim their dog or cat on their tax form, claiming that it's "my child". And when this happens i can't wait to hear all of you defending them quoting "the world is changing, just accept it for what it is bro" "get with the times"
it's disturbing what this world is coming to, pretty soon people will want the right to be "married to their pet" or claim their dog or cat on their tax form, claiming that it's "my child". And when this happens i can't wait to hear all of you defending them quoting "the world is changing, just accept it for what it is bro" "get with the times"
riiight
Did you really seriously just compare gay marriage to people wanting to marry their pets?! :roll: ..talk about disturbing... :?
it's disturbing what this world is coming to, pretty soon people will want the right to be "married to their pet" or claim their dog or cat on their tax form, claiming that it's "my child". And when this happens i can't wait to hear all of you defending them quoting "the world is changing, just accept it for what it is bro" "get with the times"
riiight
who cares if any of those things happen. explain to me how it affects you. Claiming a cat on taxes would just show how ridiculous our tax code is...it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. what is wrong with marrying a pet...how does that affect you specifically? how does it change your life?
the idea that we all must care about what our neighbor does in their own time is strange to me. Quit trying to legislate your morality, it isn't the same as everyone else and it isn't every going to be...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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- Joe Rogan
it's disturbing what this world is coming to, pretty soon people will want the right to be "married to their pet" or claim their dog or cat on their tax form, claiming that it's "my child". And when this happens i can't wait to hear all of you defending them quoting "the world is changing, just accept it for what it is bro" "get with the times"
riiight
Did you really seriously just compare gay marriage to people wanting to marry their pets?! :roll: ..talk about disturbing... :?
mark my words. when that day comes, i want to hear all the backers come out and support it.
it's disturbing what this world is coming to, pretty soon people will want the right to be "married to their pet" or claim their dog or cat on their tax form, claiming that it's "my child". And when this happens i can't wait to hear all of you defending them quoting "the world is changing, just accept it for what it is bro" "get with the times"
riiight
Do pets have legal rights as human beings?
Didn't think so.
Moving on.
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it's disturbing what this world is coming to, pretty soon people will want the right to be "married to their pet" or claim their dog or cat on their tax form, claiming that it's "my child". And when this happens i can't wait to hear all of you defending them quoting "the world is changing, just accept it for what it is bro" "get with the times"
riiight
gay perople aren't animals or pets. they are people. people just want to marry the people they love..what's wrong with that? I think it's disturbing what this world has come to when people like you continue to make ignorant statements.
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it's disturbing what this world is coming to, pretty soon people will want the right to be "married to their pet" or claim their dog or cat on their tax form, claiming that it's "my child". And when this happens i can't wait to hear all of you defending them quoting "the world is changing, just accept it for what it is bro" "get with the times"
riiight
Did you really seriously just compare gay marriage to people wanting to marry their pets?! :roll: ..talk about disturbing... :?
mark my words. when that day comes, i want to hear all the backers come out and support it.
Gay marriage is a pretty serious issue. Your analogy is pathetic. I can see people wanting to "marry their pets" to try to make people realize, to make a point, how stupid it is to prevent two people in love from marriage. If that's what they have to do, then I say marry Fido all day long, put a suit on a dog and have a ceremony for all I care...it doesnt change my marriage one bit...I know why I got married, and that's all that matters.
ya know what, you're all correct. i apologize for having an opinion on a certain matter. I should have just agreed with the OP. For a second there i thought i had the right to free speech. Again, Forgive me for having an opinion.
ya know what, you're all correct. i apologize for having an opinion on a certain matter. I should have just agreed with the OP. For a second there i thought i had the right to free speech. Again, Forgive me for having an opinion.
why shouldn't people be allowed to marry who they love?
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You have the right to free speech and to have an opinion, as much as I have to tell you I think your opinion is wrong.
Kinda how this free speech thing works.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
ya know what, you're all correct. i apologize for having an opinion on a certain matter. I should have just agreed with the OP. For a second there i thought i had the right to free speech. Again, Forgive me for having an opinion.
You certainly did ignore my question...how do any of the things you described affect you?
You have the right to your opinion, I would just like to find out why you have the one you do?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Gay marriage is a pretty serious issue. Your analogy is pathetic. I can see people wanting to "marry their pets" to try to make people realize, to make a point, how stupid it is to prevent two people in love from marriage. If that's what they have to do, then I say marry Fido all day long, put a suit on a dog and have a ceremony for all I care...it doesnt change my marriage one bit...I know why I got married, and that's all that matters.
It may be a poor choice to pick a dog for this analogy, but the poster makes a valid point. Let's say a group of men and women decide that they are all in love with each other and deserve the "right" to marry as a group. They could essentially make the same claim as those wanting gay marriage.
Again, my position is that government should get out of the business of sanctioning marriages and try to fix the real problems. This should be a personal issue.
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The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
ya know what, you're all correct. i apologize for having an opinion on a certain matter. I should have just agreed with the OP. For a second there i thought i had the right to free speech. Again, Forgive me for having an opinion.
Nice try, turn yourself into the victim after comparing gay marriage to marrying a dog. Sorry you got called out for that inane analogy. Please, continue on with your free speech...If you had a point, or answered Mikes question, that would be more conducive to discussion.
To these people who propose that it's equal if they call it something else... *sigh*
How is this any different from making colored people use "different" water fountains, and different bathrooms and sit on the back of the bus?!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: One could say they had their own, but EVERYONE knew they weren't being treated as equals if they had to be segregated!!!!!!!
For those speaking of the definition of the word marriage and what is has meant for 'thousands' of years and it's history - all is not what is seems really...
Marriage is quite a 'recent' word. The history of 'marriage' (or 'unions' if before c.1300) is not really ideal either. Unions were rarely for love (and not always between one man and one woman!). They were there to seal deals, for political unions, to ensure 'legitimacy' of a heir, etc.
It is also only a recent 'celebration' - unions were often without ceremony or witness or anything, as long as consent was given by both parties. The institution as some may understand it now, ie officiated, witnesses, contracts, etc. is based on christian dogma.
Naturally, I am speaking of the 'western world'. Different cultures will have different views.
The word, like the 'institution' has evolved over the centuries (not millenia). Like anything, it's organic and will continue to evolve. Now that we have a chance to 'unite' for love and love only, let's embrace this, whatever our preferences may be.
To these people who propose that it's equal if they call it something else... *sigh*
How is this any different from making colored people use "different" water fountains, and different bathrooms and sit on the back of the bus?!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: One could say they had their own, but EVERYONE knew they weren't being treated as equals if they had to be segregated!!!!!!!
If it's the same in every way other than being labeled with a different term, then it's a LOT different from the things you mentioned.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
To these people who propose that it's equal if they call it something else... *sigh*
How is this any different from making colored people use "different" water fountains, and different bathrooms and sit on the back of the bus?!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: One could say they had their own, but EVERYONE knew they weren't being treated as equals if they had to be segregated!!!!!!!
If it's the same in every way other than being labeled with a different term, then it's a LOT different from the things you mentioned.
And yet, they are still being put into a separate pile. Why?!
Gay marriage is a pretty serious issue. Your analogy is pathetic. I can see people wanting to "marry their pets" to try to make people realize, to make a point, how stupid it is to prevent two people in love from marriage. If that's what they have to do, then I say marry Fido all day long, put a suit on a dog and have a ceremony for all I care...it doesnt change my marriage one bit...I know why I got married, and that's all that matters.
It may be a poor choice to pick a dog for this analogy, but the poster makes a valid point. Let's say a group of men and women decide that they are all in love with each other and deserve the "right" to marry as a group. They could essentially make the same claim as those wanting gay marriage.
Again, my position is that government should get out of the business of sanctioning marriages and try to fix the real problems. This should be a personal issue.
Now that is a more reasonable proposition... at least its between people. I don't know the legal ramifications, but as long as they have the same rights, I guess its not a problem really. But I see your point and agree, govt should stay out of it maybe.
To these people who propose that it's equal if they call it something else... *sigh*
How is this any different from making colored people use "different" water fountains, and different bathrooms and sit on the back of the bus?!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: One could say they had their own, but EVERYONE knew they weren't being treated as equals if they had to be segregated!!!!!!!
No segreagation all equal rights
it is extremely different than your analogy, the gay union will be the same in all respects.
Again trying to change the definition of marriage that was founded thousands of years ago
one that is the union of a man and woman is hindering gays from receiving equal rights today.
The preservers of marriage showed that yesterday and may show it in the future.
I would like to see a solution, a new name for gay union going into this new century,
an amendment and equal rights granted now.
ya know what, you're all correct. i apologize for having an opinion on a certain matter. I should have just agreed with the OP. For a second there i thought i had the right to free speech. Again, Forgive me for having an opinion.
You have the right to free speech, the same way everyone else has a right to criticise what you say and point out what you say is actually wrong
I want to ban southerners from having children....
sadly in will not come to pass
Ive lived in the north and the south. Both have ignorance. I've known just as many yankees that think a woman shouldn't have the choose as rebels who think gays should be allowed to marry.
The common denominator of ignorance isn't where someone was raised, its religion.
So being anti-abortion is ignorance? That statement itself is ignorance.
No, denying a person the right to choose is ignorant.
And yet, they are still being put into a separate pile. Why?!
Because they're not the same. We use different terms for lots of things. Homosexuals call themselves "gay" as well. That's a differentiation by term. By your logic, everyone should just be called a person or something is wrong.
Comparing having a different label put on a gay marriage to blacks having different drinking fountains is just ridiculous.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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Cate, this is VERY well put and exactly to the point. It's time to make equality more important than tradition!
Pandora, please don't take this lack of agreement to mean anyone hates your opinion or religion. You're still a lovely human being.
It's just that it's time for the world to change so that homosexuals are treated as equally valuable human beings.
So being anti-abortion is ignorance? That statement itself is ignorance.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
That being said, I'm not out campaigning against either of them.
The biggest issue to me is why is our government wasting so much time on this issue. I think the government should get out of sanctioning marriages and let people do whatever they want to do.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
riiight
between a man and a woman. It is the definition and the intention.
This is important to many people to preserve this fact
and that is what is hindering the progression of equal rights.
So if we create a new word a new definition and amendment with equal rights
we can move forward and have resolution.
I think the passing of this law tells us we need a resolution as we are facing
further division.
:wave:
It is not my opinion nor do I have a religion ... besides having God with me
I just see the Preservers of marriage side clearly.
I am proposing total equality ... absolute equality and rights for the gay union.
Did you really seriously just compare gay marriage to people wanting to marry their pets?! :roll: ..talk about disturbing... :?
who cares if any of those things happen. explain to me how it affects you. Claiming a cat on taxes would just show how ridiculous our tax code is...it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. what is wrong with marrying a pet...how does that affect you specifically? how does it change your life?
the idea that we all must care about what our neighbor does in their own time is strange to me. Quit trying to legislate your morality, it isn't the same as everyone else and it isn't every going to be...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
mark my words. when that day comes, i want to hear all the backers come out and support it.
Didn't think so.
Moving on.
gay perople aren't animals or pets. they are people. people just want to marry the people they love..what's wrong with that? I think it's disturbing what this world has come to when people like you continue to make ignorant statements.
Gay marriage is a pretty serious issue. Your analogy is pathetic. I can see people wanting to "marry their pets" to try to make people realize, to make a point, how stupid it is to prevent two people in love from marriage. If that's what they have to do, then I say marry Fido all day long, put a suit on a dog and have a ceremony for all I care...it doesnt change my marriage one bit...I know why I got married, and that's all that matters.
That being said, everyone currently can lawfully marry someone from the opposite sex. Doesn't that make things equal?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
why shouldn't people be allowed to marry who they love?
discrimination based on gender, race, religion, illness, handicap or sexual orientation is an issue of human rights ...
Kinda how this free speech thing works.
You certainly did ignore my question...how do any of the things you described affect you?
You have the right to your opinion, I would just like to find out why you have the one you do?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
It may be a poor choice to pick a dog for this analogy, but the poster makes a valid point. Let's say a group of men and women decide that they are all in love with each other and deserve the "right" to marry as a group. They could essentially make the same claim as those wanting gay marriage.
Again, my position is that government should get out of the business of sanctioning marriages and try to fix the real problems. This should be a personal issue.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Nice try, turn yourself into the victim after comparing gay marriage to marrying a dog. Sorry you got called out for that inane analogy. Please, continue on with your free speech...If you had a point, or answered Mikes question, that would be more conducive to discussion.
How is this any different from making colored people use "different" water fountains, and different bathrooms and sit on the back of the bus?!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: One could say they had their own, but EVERYONE knew they weren't being treated as equals if they had to be segregated!!!!!!!
Marriage is quite a 'recent' word. The history of 'marriage' (or 'unions' if before c.1300) is not really ideal either. Unions were rarely for love (and not always between one man and one woman!). They were there to seal deals, for political unions, to ensure 'legitimacy' of a heir, etc.
It is also only a recent 'celebration' - unions were often without ceremony or witness or anything, as long as consent was given by both parties. The institution as some may understand it now, ie officiated, witnesses, contracts, etc. is based on christian dogma.
Naturally, I am speaking of the 'western world'. Different cultures will have different views.
The word, like the 'institution' has evolved over the centuries (not millenia). Like anything, it's organic and will continue to evolve. Now that we have a chance to 'unite' for love and love only, let's embrace this, whatever our preferences may be.
A sweet lil' article about the word..
http://web.archive.org/web/200406072050 ... 20661.html
If it's the same in every way other than being labeled with a different term, then it's a LOT different from the things you mentioned.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
And yet, they are still being put into a separate pile. Why?!
Now that is a more reasonable proposition... at least its between people. I don't know the legal ramifications, but as long as they have the same rights, I guess its not a problem really. But I see your point and agree, govt should stay out of it maybe.
And, it's not fair to gay people.
it is extremely different than your analogy, the gay union will be the same in all respects.
Again trying to change the definition of marriage that was founded thousands of years ago
one that is the union of a man and woman is hindering gays from receiving equal rights today.
The preservers of marriage showed that yesterday and may show it in the future.
I would like to see a solution, a new name for gay union going into this new century,
an amendment and equal rights granted now.
You have the right to free speech, the same way everyone else has a right to criticise what you say and point out what you say is actually wrong
:roll:
Because they're not the same. We use different terms for lots of things. Homosexuals call themselves "gay" as well. That's a differentiation by term. By your logic, everyone should just be called a person or something is wrong.
Comparing having a different label put on a gay marriage to blacks having different drinking fountains is just ridiculous.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.