Patriotism is curable

GetALife

!!!

CH156378

MotoDC

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Byrnzie

It would be interesting if a major tectonic shift occurred and we all ended up sharing the same space as our previous 'neighbours', or even our 'enemies'. I wonder what would happen to patriotism then?

CH156378

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZnkLoGJ7SI

brianlux

Not so, friend. My patriotism to planet earth is incurable.

DriftingByTheStorm

CH156378 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZnkLoGJ7SI

one of my top 3 PJ performances of all time.

DriftingByTheStorm

CH156378 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZnkLoGJ7SI

one of my top 3 PJ performances of all time.


i know this is way off topic, but i did this a long time ago, cuz i learned enough to know poor LHO got the SHAFT (BIG TIME) by our Gov. regardless of what "really" happened. i dunno. i did mix the audience and the SNDBD though ... i thought it sounded better that way.

GetALife

"...I got no place left to go..." - ?!

...tell me more about the joys of "national identity"...please! I am desperate to get my soul saved by this "philosophy".

GetALife

Byrnzie wrote:

It would be interesting if a major tectonic shift occurred and we all ended up sharing the same space as our previous 'neighbours', or even our 'enemies'. I wonder what would happen to patriotism then?

Then it would be useless. Your utopia is based on the idea, that geographic closeness leads to "friendship". ... You know about the term "illegal immigrants" - would that be the term for aliens then?

GetALife

brianlux wrote:

Not so, friend. My patriotism to planet earth is incurable.

Knowing the original meanings of a word or what it relates to makes you (appear) smart!

Byrnzie

GetALife wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

It would be interesting if a major tectonic shift occurred and we all ended up sharing the same space as our previous 'neighbours', or even our 'enemies'. I wonder what would happen to patriotism then?

Then it would be useless. Your utopia is based on the idea, that geographic closeness leads to "friendship". ... You know about the term "illegal immigrants" - would that be the term for aliens then?

Patriotism being useless - redundant - wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing though, would it? Maybe we could learn to be patriotic - pantheistic - towards the Earth, instead of to any imaginary, abstract border.

GetALife

Byrnzie wrote:

GetALife wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

It would be interesting if a major tectonic shift occurred and we all ended up sharing the same space as our previous 'neighbours', or even our 'enemies'. I wonder what would happen to patriotism then?

Then it would be useless. Your utopia is based on the idea, that geographic closeness leads to "friendship". ... You know about the term "illegal immigrants" - would that be the term for aliens then?

Patriotism being useless - redundant - wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing though, would it? Maybe we could learn to be patriotic - pantheistic - towards the Earth, instead of to any imaginary, abstract border.

The idea itself is nothing to question, it's a good and spiritual ideal that includes every living being to identify with - I like it. Let's cross out the word "patriotism" because it stands for one's "love" for his country and/or constitution. The idea of a border erases the idea of patriotism in that way...and I do not know another meaning of patriotism.

GetALife

...hmmm...I suppose most of you do not disagree with me

brianlux

GetALife wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Not so, friend. My patriotism to planet earth is incurable.

Knowing the original meanings of a word or what it relates to makes you (appear) smart!

Looks can be deceiving. After giving a talk to one of the classes I worked with at our local college, a student came up to me and said, "You're not as dumb as you look!"

CH156378

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnivJb3Rv5A

brianlux

CH156378 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnivJb3Rv5A

Johnny Cash, a complicated and contradictory man- and that's how he described himself.

GetALife

The lyrics seem deep but they make me sick. Can you relate to a flag as something that symbolizes things you didn't live through? That "we" or "our" is an illusion. Even if my grandfather build up and my father tore down the german wall, I still wouldn't be proud of that shabby thing that stands for nothing but imperialism and power fetish masked as brotherhood. I think I have more in common with you guys standing at a PJ show than with some drunk clown at Oktoberfest (which I never attended in my life because Munich is a 10 hrs drive away and not in my neighbourhood (as some people happen to think when they find out I am from germany)). SKOL and Keep on RITFW!

Aaron 23

Of course a German is the one starting this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism#Surveys

:P

GetALife

Aaron 23 wrote:

Of course a German is the one starting this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism#Surveys

:P

I knew this was coming

Problem is IMO that statistics like this don't show if one is honest about his opinion. In germany there is a climate of partially supressed and partially joyous forms of patriotism. In 2006 it started that the Soccer World Championship led to an outburst of patriotic celebrations with publi viewing and flags on the cars and stuff. I believe that the conservative mass media pushed this to a ridiculous extreme. - I do not see the (viewable) lack of patriotism as a problem - IMO it is actually a chance to get beyond patriotism, a chance of social progression. It becomes a problem when people believe that they are not allowed to be patriotic although they'd like to be. People want to identify with something. Patriotism gives a chance to not take individual responsibilty for one's life and identity. You get sucked up by "the mass". I do not feel guilty for what my grandfather did nor not - it was his decision, not mine. That generation gave me a good example of how NOT to live.

CH156378

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4iIt0Ino0w