I'm sorry, but you seem to be deluded about China ... The mink/fur/meat industry is very very common place in China, and those are their methods. I understand you love China, but I don't understand why you are denying facts about what's wrong with it (as the person who also said that personal freedoms are greater in China than N. America, I don't think there is any doubt that you have blinders on).
No, It's you that's deluded. You think you know all about China because you've watched a few Youtube clips about animal cruelty. You really need to climb down from your high-horse and get out more.
As for denying anything, I've not denied that cruelty to animals takes place in China. But it's not widespread, as you believe it to be, and dog meat is a rarity in any city here. The majority of Chinese are not cruel to animals in way shape or form.
For informational purposes only, my opinion is also one that has come to be formed that China is one country in which mistreatment of animals is more widespread than what I've learned about from any other one country.
I like to watch Link TV which tries to present unpoliitical, unbiased, intelligent, collegiate-type news and information from all around the world about all areas/cultures of the world.
Also last month I was talking to a friend who does business in China and he showed me various pictures of restaurants and markets where dead animals just hang there on a hook. I understand that a dead animal is a dead animal.....maybe the Chinese take on a different attitude towards animals as food whereas in Amerrica the people are more like....if I don't see it, it ain't happening (?) I don't know.
I don't think people's attitudes come just from a few youtube videos. Turtles in keychains and tiger penis soup seems....shocking.
You can tell me that i'm absolutely wrong about how the Chinese treat their animals vs. how the rest of the world treats/mistreats their animals and I won't argue with you one bit.
I'm only just sharing, whether right or wrong, that my knowledge base as acquired over the years IS that the Chinese mistreatment of animals is more widespread and accepted than is other countries.
Also last month I was talking to a friend who does business in China and he showed me various pictures of restaurants and markets where dead animals just hang there on a hook. I understand that a dead animal is a dead animal.....maybe the Chinese take on a different attitude towards animals as food whereas in Amerrica the people are more like....if I don't see it, it ain't happening (?) I don't know.
I saw the same thing in Chinatown in San Francisco when I was there.
Although in most places in the West, the dead animal or bird, is wrapped in cellophane and placed on a polystyrene tray, and then displayed on a supermarket shelf instead.
Personally, I think the Chinese - Asian way - is preferable. It's a less sanitized approach that let's you see just what it is you're buying.
I'm only just sharing, whether right or wrong, that my knowledge base as acquired over the years IS that the Chinese mistreatment of animals is more widespread and accepted than is other countries.
As for the thing described above - key chains, & a zoo where people are encouraged to throw animals to the big cats to be eaten, I've never come across that, or even heard about it here, so t can't be that popular. And I keep my ear to the ground. So, I'm not doubting these things happen, but they are not widespread, and they are not in any way popular with the Chinese people. Some Chinese people do mistreat animals - a friend of mine told me how her boss dropped a live puppy in a hotpot to be eaten, or to give the hotpot some added flavour or something. She was just as disgusted and shocked by it as me. She's Chinese. Isolated incidents like this do occur here, and it's despicable. But they are mostly looked down upon by the majority of people here just as they would be in any Western country.
The Chinese do have a long way to go to improve animal welfare, but the problem is not as widespread or tolerated as PJ_Soul would have you believe. Though I get the impression she just has a problem with China in general.
And by the way, your comments to me really don't need to contain so much trepidation. I'm not gonna bite your head off.
Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....
war is not the same as cramming turtles, fishes, and salamanders into rubber/plastic keychains. yes the united states government seems to enjoy a bit of war. again, it isn't the same thing, war and turtle, fish or salamander stuffed into keychains.
Not the same, but maybe similar (I feel this way in my heart). War and cramming turtles into plastic key chains. Remember earlier when we were talking (agreeing) about how 'disconnected' the concept is, and it rings true for war as well.
A form of dissociation.
Like we slaughter our animals, we think because we slaughter them quickly, that = better, same with our mind towards war, we tend to think that dropping a bomb on a person is somehow less barbaric than a suicide attack or whatever else.
But I feel that if we had to slaughter our own animals, we would take better care in the manner it is done, we may also appreciate things a bit more.
Like we are at a point where war is like a video game, pressing buttons. Like how we slaughter our animals, so easily, shock them and slice them. 1000 chickens an hr. Press of a button and the machine does the rest.
Losing the connection of each life that is taken. Because we kill them with such a 'disconnect'.
Maybe we do this, if we want war we should be the ones fighting them, if we want to eat meat, we should kill the animal ourselves.
I'm sorry, but you seem to be deluded about China ... The mink/fur/meat industry is very very common place in China, and those are their methods. I understand you love China, but I don't understand why you are denying facts about what's wrong with it (as the person who also said that personal freedoms are greater in China than N. America, I don't think there is any doubt that you have blinders on).
No, It's you that's deluded. You think you know all about China because you've watched a few Youtube clips about animal cruelty. You really need to climb down from your high-horse and get out more.
As for denying anything, I've not denied that cruelty to animals takes place in China. But it's not widespread, as you believe it to be, and dog meat is a rarity in any city here. The majority of Chinese are not cruel to animals in way shape or form.
Hmm. Well, also my cousin lived there for two years and just came back recently, my mom's best friend is a Chinese immigrant, j have three friends whose whole family came from China, two other friends who spent a few years there, and am literally surrounded by other Chinese immigrants who share about it too... and then there is all the other stuff I read and hear and see... but I am glad you're so happy with life in China (where is that btw? Hong Kong?).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Hmm. Well, also my cousin lived there for two years and just came back recently, my mom's best friend is a Chinese immigrant, j have three friends whose whole family came from China, two other friends who spent a few years there, and am literally surrounded by other Chinese immigrants who share about it too... and then there is all the other stuff I read and hear and see... but I am glad you're so happy with life in China (where is that btw? Hong Kong?).
No, not Hong Kong. I live on the mainland. Sorry to deprive you of a chance to claim I haven't experienced the 'real China'.
Hmm. Well, also my cousin lived there for two years and just came back recently, my mom's best friend is a Chinese immigrant, j have three friends whose whole family came from China, two other friends who spent a few years there, and am literally surrounded by other Chinese immigrants who share about it too... and then there is all the other stuff I read and hear and see... but I am glad you're so happy with life in China (where is that btw? Hong Kong?).
No, not Hong Kong. I live on the mainland. Sorry to deprive you of a chance to claim I haven't experienced the 'real China'.
No, that's not where I was going (if you think I'm sounding aggressive,.sorry). I just thought that a few days before your location said Hong Kong, and now it just says china. Must've been someone else.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Ugh! The seal slaughter is horrible!! It's one of IFAW's major campaigns. I've personally written letters to Harper about it. It's one of the great shames of Canada I think.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
No, that's not where I was going (if you think I'm sounding aggressive,.sorry). I just thought that a few days before your location said Hong Kong, and now it just says china. Must've been someone else.
No, that's not where I was going (if you think I'm sounding aggressive,.sorry). I just thought that a few days before your location said Hong Kong, and now it just says china. Must've been someone else.
Smellyman lives in Hong Kong.
Ah ha.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Ugh! The seal slaughter is horrible!! It's one of IFAW's major campaigns. I've personally written letters to Harper about it. It's one of the great shames of Canada I think.
A Great Shame indeed.
Has that 'Marshmallow' Stephen Harper responded to any of your letters?
What's the next step you feel one can take to stop the killing? Perhaps we should throw ourselves on top of the baby seals during the hunt?
That entire year would be a bust for the Seal Hunters and it could possibly quite quickly bring an end to whats going on. Or at the very least make it a PR nightmare for the industry.
But that of course is real action, and dedicated people is something that is needed, people who have the time or are able to find the time for this specific cause and that action. Since it is (like you said) one of Canada's great shames, it would be great if thousands of Canadians one day end up catching those clubs.
South Korea is going after smugglers who peddle capsules from China containing the flesh of dead babies.
Korea Customs Service had found 35 cases of capsule smuggling from August 2011 to March 2012. About 17,450 such capsules were disguised as stamina-boosters and were sought after because they’re believed to be a panacea for diseases.
The disturbing practice was brought to light last month on the Korean TV program, “Lee Yeong-don’s Food X File,” South Korean newspaper Dong-a Ilbo said Monday.
“Since human flesh capsules are confirmed to contain ingredients lethal to humans, including super bacteria, we will preemptively curb their smuggling at borders to protect public health,” customs authorities told the newspaper.
The flesh is taken from fetuses and babies from northeastern China who died shortly after they were born, according to the report.
Smugglers have tried to dupe customs agents by mixing the capsules with vegetable extract or putting the pills into packaging of other products.
Korea’s Yonhap News Agency said customs is looking at packages in particular coming from the Chinese cities of Yanji, Jilin, Qingdao and Tianjin — where the flesh capsules are believed to be produced.
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South Korea is going after smugglers who peddle capsules from China containing the flesh of dead babies.
Korea Customs Service had found 35 cases of capsule smuggling from August 2011 to March 2012. About 17,450 such capsules were disguised as stamina-boosters and were sought after because they’re believed to be a panacea for diseases.
The disturbing practice was brought to light last month on the Korean TV program, “Lee Yeong-don’s Food X File,” South Korean newspaper Dong-a Ilbo said Monday.
“Since human flesh capsules are confirmed to contain ingredients lethal to humans, including super bacteria, we will preemptively curb their smuggling at borders to protect public health,” customs authorities told the newspaper.
The flesh is taken from fetuses and babies from northeastern China who died shortly after they were born, according to the report.
Smugglers have tried to dupe customs agents by mixing the capsules with vegetable extract or putting the pills into packaging of other products.
Korea’s Yonhap News Agency said customs is looking at packages in particular coming from the Chinese cities of Yanji, Jilin, Qingdao and Tianjin — where the flesh capsules are believed to be produced.
With News Wire Services
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:shock: :shock: Whoa man, that's pretty fucked up. Instead of going after the smugglers, maybe they should start with whoever is taking the dead baby flesh at the source... I mean, aren't there parents who want the remains? And isn't it only doctors and other hospital staff, family members, and morticians who would really have access to it? Whoever is harvesting it should be the ones arrested.... fuck! Also, the article basically says that these pills are illegal because they might contain bacteria that is bad for humans... Um, is THAT the reason this is illegal??? What about cannibalism?! Who are these people who want to take dead baby pills?! Fuckers!
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
“While an exception to Indiana’s cruelty statute states that it does not apply to fishing, hunting, or trapping, it does not allow for wanton abuse of any animal after that animal has been trapped,” explains ALDF’s director of litigation Carter Dillard. “The Department of Natural Resources’ misinterpretation of this law has allowed the shameful abuse of turtles at Snapperfest for the past fifteen years—and would literally allow someone to torture a turtle, a deer, a coyote, or any animal to death, so long as that animal had been trapped first. It is time for this legal misinterpretation to be corrected and for the state to put an end to this pathetic event once and for all.”
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While shopping at 99 Ranch Market on Barber Lane in Milpitas, California, I found a mutilated turtle on display in the fish department. Its top shell was sheared off, displaying its entire innards. I tried to avert my eyes but then noticed what I thought was a dead turtle lift its head. I couldn't believe it. As disgusted as I was about what I saw, I was compelled to return to take video and photo evidence.
I called the San Jose Animal Control which has jurisdiction in Milpitas and was told there was nothing they could do because a turtle is not an animal. When I pressed about what constitutes an animal, they said they are only equipped to handle cats and dogs.
I then called the California State Department of Fish and Game who has offered to help, although their interest is more in if the turtle was legally caught, not whether it was being tortured. I'm still awaiting their call back next week.
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This is in Brooklyn, a yearly ritual. The vid below shows only a fraction of what happens.
“While an exception to Indiana’s cruelty statute states that it does not apply to fishing, hunting, or trapping, it does not allow for wanton abuse of any animal after that animal has been trapped,” explains ALDF’s director of litigation Carter Dillard. “The Department of Natural Resources’ misinterpretation of this law has allowed the shameful abuse of turtles at Snapperfest for the past fifteen years—and would literally allow someone to torture a turtle, a deer, a coyote, or any animal to death, so long as that animal had been trapped first. It is time for this legal misinterpretation to be corrected and for the state to put an end to this pathetic event once and for all.”
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While shopping at 99 Ranch Market on Barber Lane in Milpitas, California, I found a mutilated turtle on display in the fish department. Its top shell was sheared off, displaying its entire innards. I tried to avert my eyes but then noticed what I thought was a dead turtle lift its head. I couldn't believe it. As disgusted as I was about what I saw, I was compelled to return to take video and photo evidence.
I called the San Jose Animal Control which has jurisdiction in Milpitas and was told there was nothing they could do because a turtle is not an animal. When I pressed about what constitutes an animal, they said they are only equipped to handle cats and dogs.
I then called the California State Department of Fish and Game who has offered to help, although their interest is more in if the turtle was legally caught, not whether it was being tortured. I'm still awaiting their call back next week.
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This is in Brooklyn, a yearly ritual. The vid below shows only a fraction of what happens.
thank you, Idris
those poor turtles are suffering big-time. that is flat out cruelty. somehow maybe tomorrow i will be able to watch the videos, been a very long day, need rest and soon.
South Korea is going after smugglers who peddle capsules from China containing the flesh of dead babies.
Korea Customs Service had found 35 cases of capsule smuggling from August 2011 to March 2012. About 17,450 such capsules were disguised as stamina-boosters and were sought after because they’re believed to be a panacea for diseases.
The disturbing practice was brought to light last month on the Korean TV program, “Lee Yeong-don’s Food X File,” South Korean newspaper Dong-a Ilbo said Monday.
“Since human flesh capsules are confirmed to contain ingredients lethal to humans, including super bacteria, we will preemptively curb their smuggling at borders to protect public health,” customs authorities told the newspaper.
The flesh is taken from fetuses and babies from northeastern China who died shortly after they were born, according to the report.
Smugglers have tried to dupe customs agents by mixing the capsules with vegetable extract or putting the pills into packaging of other products.
Korea’s Yonhap News Agency said customs is looking at packages in particular coming from the Chinese cities of Yanji, Jilin, Qingdao and Tianjin — where the flesh capsules are believed to be produced.
With News Wire Services
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
For informational purposes only, my opinion is also one that has come to be formed that China is one country in which mistreatment of animals is more widespread than what I've learned about from any other one country.
I like to watch Link TV which tries to present unpoliitical, unbiased, intelligent, collegiate-type news and information from all around the world about all areas/cultures of the world.
Also last month I was talking to a friend who does business in China and he showed me various pictures of restaurants and markets where dead animals just hang there on a hook. I understand that a dead animal is a dead animal.....maybe the Chinese take on a different attitude towards animals as food whereas in Amerrica the people are more like....if I don't see it, it ain't happening (?) I don't know.
I don't think people's attitudes come just from a few youtube videos. Turtles in keychains and tiger penis soup seems....shocking.
You can tell me that i'm absolutely wrong about how the Chinese treat their animals vs. how the rest of the world treats/mistreats their animals and I won't argue with you one bit.
I'm only just sharing, whether right or wrong, that my knowledge base as acquired over the years IS that the Chinese mistreatment of animals is more widespread and accepted than is other countries.
I saw the same thing in Chinatown in San Francisco when I was there.
Although in most places in the West, the dead animal or bird, is wrapped in cellophane and placed on a polystyrene tray, and then displayed on a supermarket shelf instead.
Personally, I think the Chinese - Asian way - is preferable. It's a less sanitized approach that let's you see just what it is you're buying.
As for the thing described above - key chains, & a zoo where people are encouraged to throw animals to the big cats to be eaten, I've never come across that, or even heard about it here, so t can't be that popular. And I keep my ear to the ground. So, I'm not doubting these things happen, but they are not widespread, and they are not in any way popular with the Chinese people. Some Chinese people do mistreat animals - a friend of mine told me how her boss dropped a live puppy in a hotpot to be eaten, or to give the hotpot some added flavour or something. She was just as disgusted and shocked by it as me. She's Chinese. Isolated incidents like this do occur here, and it's despicable. But they are mostly looked down upon by the majority of people here just as they would be in any Western country.
The Chinese do have a long way to go to improve animal welfare, but the problem is not as widespread or tolerated as PJ_Soul would have you believe. Though I get the impression she just has a problem with China in general.
And by the way, your comments to me really don't need to contain so much trepidation. I'm not gonna bite your head off.
...unless you really piss me off :P
Your in good company my friend. A wise man named Socrates once said the same thing:
"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."
Socrates
Not the same, but maybe similar (I feel this way in my heart). War and cramming turtles into plastic key chains. Remember earlier when we were talking (agreeing) about how 'disconnected' the concept is, and it rings true for war as well.
A form of dissociation.
Like we slaughter our animals, we think because we slaughter them quickly, that = better, same with our mind towards war, we tend to think that dropping a bomb on a person is somehow less barbaric than a suicide attack or whatever else.
But I feel that if we had to slaughter our own animals, we would take better care in the manner it is done, we may also appreciate things a bit more.
Like we are at a point where war is like a video game, pressing buttons. Like how we slaughter our animals, so easily, shock them and slice them. 1000 chickens an hr. Press of a button and the machine does the rest.
Losing the connection of each life that is taken. Because we kill them with such a 'disconnect'.
Maybe we do this, if we want war we should be the ones fighting them, if we want to eat meat, we should kill the animal ourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDRz15Wsqzg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Sroq7PraE&feature=related
No, not Hong Kong. I live on the mainland. Sorry to deprive you of a chance to claim I haven't experienced the 'real China'.
Smellyman lives in Hong Kong.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
A Great Shame indeed.
Has that 'Marshmallow' Stephen Harper responded to any of your letters?
What's the next step you feel one can take to stop the killing? Perhaps we should throw ourselves on top of the baby seals during the hunt?
That entire year would be a bust for the Seal Hunters and it could possibly quite quickly bring an end to whats going on. Or at the very least make it a PR nightmare for the industry.
But that of course is real action, and dedicated people is something that is needed, people who have the time or are able to find the time for this specific cause and that action. Since it is (like you said) one of Canada's great shames, it would be great if thousands of Canadians one day end up catching those clubs.
Their human and animal rights are a disgrace.
Korea Customs Service had found 35 cases of capsule smuggling from August 2011 to March 2012. About 17,450 such capsules were disguised as stamina-boosters and were sought after because they’re believed to be a panacea for diseases.
The disturbing practice was brought to light last month on the Korean TV program, “Lee Yeong-don’s Food X File,” South Korean newspaper Dong-a Ilbo said Monday.
“Since human flesh capsules are confirmed to contain ingredients lethal to humans, including super bacteria, we will preemptively curb their smuggling at borders to protect public health,” customs authorities told the newspaper.
The flesh is taken from fetuses and babies from northeastern China who died shortly after they were born, according to the report.
Smugglers have tried to dupe customs agents by mixing the capsules with vegetable extract or putting the pills into packaging of other products.
Korea’s Yonhap News Agency said customs is looking at packages in particular coming from the Chinese cities of Yanji, Jilin, Qingdao and Tianjin — where the flesh capsules are believed to be produced.
With News Wire Services
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:shock: :shock: Whoa man, that's pretty fucked up. Instead of going after the smugglers, maybe they should start with whoever is taking the dead baby flesh at the source... I mean, aren't there parents who want the remains? And isn't it only doctors and other hospital staff, family members, and morticians who would really have access to it? Whoever is harvesting it should be the ones arrested.... fuck! Also, the article basically says that these pills are illegal because they might contain bacteria that is bad for humans... Um, is THAT the reason this is illegal??? What about cannibalism?! Who are these people who want to take dead baby pills?! Fuckers!
How fucked up is that WTF ?! :shock:
Good thing we have laws protecting animals (living creatures) from abuse,
This is in Indiana http://www.aldf.org/article.php?id=1925
“While an exception to Indiana’s cruelty statute states that it does not apply to fishing, hunting, or trapping, it does not allow for wanton abuse of any animal after that animal has been trapped,” explains ALDF’s director of litigation Carter Dillard. “The Department of Natural Resources’ misinterpretation of this law has allowed the shameful abuse of turtles at Snapperfest for the past fifteen years—and would literally allow someone to torture a turtle, a deer, a coyote, or any animal to death, so long as that animal had been trapped first. It is time for this legal misinterpretation to be corrected and for the state to put an end to this pathetic event once and for all.”
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This from a Chinese Market in Cali http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3x8pzS1nDk
(Video Blurb)
While shopping at 99 Ranch Market on Barber Lane in Milpitas, California, I found a mutilated turtle on display in the fish department. Its top shell was sheared off, displaying its entire innards. I tried to avert my eyes but then noticed what I thought was a dead turtle lift its head. I couldn't believe it. As disgusted as I was about what I saw, I was compelled to return to take video and photo evidence.
I called the San Jose Animal Control which has jurisdiction in Milpitas and was told there was nothing they could do because a turtle is not an animal. When I pressed about what constitutes an animal, they said they are only equipped to handle cats and dogs.
I then called the California State Department of Fish and Game who has offered to help, although their interest is more in if the turtle was legally caught, not whether it was being tortured. I'm still awaiting their call back next week.
---
This is in Brooklyn, a yearly ritual. The vid below shows only a fraction of what happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PccGaPRJB5k&feature=related
those poor turtles are suffering big-time. that is flat out cruelty. somehow maybe tomorrow i will be able to watch the videos, been a very long day, need rest and soon.
goodnight.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce