keychains in china (animal cruelty)

chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
edited May 2012 in A Moving Train
http://youtu.be/UU1XGXMELyw
http://youtu.be/J6bNustb0GM

i stumbled across this just moments ago and figured it needs to be found out about. so apparently ya place a tiny turtle, fish or another small animal in a water filled air tight rubber bag and you have yourself a chinese keychain :wtf:

i am very appalled.
for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."

Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited April 2012
    what the fuck is wrong with them people over there? Brynzie, what the fuck is the deal here, man? do you see this kind of thing? what do you see over there? also, i just saw a video where they pretty much cut on and remove soft shell turtle meat from a living soft shell turtle until it dies on its own. it laid on display at the meat section of the market like common knowledge and the poor animal still was alive but only part there

    over and over again, the videos i have watched show that the chinese are flat out cruel to animals. day in and day out.

    who needs (who even wants one for that matter) a living turtle keychain?
    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,428
    Insane, cruel, disgusting, disconnected, and sickening. WFT is wrong with these people?
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
    -Neil Young













  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    brianlux wrote:
    Insane, cruel, disgusting, disconnected, and sickening. WFT is wrong with these people?
    disconnected. very nice description
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    the bear bile videos i saw some months back are completely disgusting

    i suggested the navy seals go in there and clean house :twisted: :evil: :twisted:
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,428
    chadwick wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Insane, cruel, disgusting, disconnected, and sickening. WFT is wrong with these people?
    disconnected. very nice description

    That's what it seem like- that people who view animal life as if it were there for their amusement are disconnected from the rest of the planet which is an integrated whole.
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
    -Neil Young













  • mikalinamikalina Posts: 7,206
    I don't understand this at all .... it very disgusting and sad. :(
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  • Bronx BombersBronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    China is a land of contradictions. While U.S. pet owners rail against the poisoned pet treats exported from China, and Chinese zoos make news with their cruel animal circuses, a devoted group of Chinese animal lovers struggle to change things for animals in their country. This weekend, more than two hundred volunteers cared for almost 500 dogs, some of them stolen pets, that were rescued Thursday on their way to be slaughtered as food.

    According to The Daily Mail UK, The dogs were caged in a truck on its way to Yulin, the Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region. Afraid that the dogs were being illegally brought to sale, a driver brought the truck to a stop by cutting it off, reported the shipment to police and blogged the news. Hundreds of advocates turned out at the toll station to stop the truck from passing through.

    The caged dogs and rescuers were forced to stay the night at the police station while officials tried to determine if the shipment was legal. Rescuers tried to provide water and food for the dogs, but were not permitted to uncage them. The driver, who was questioned by police, said he had been employed to take the animals from Mianning county, Xichang city in the southwest of Sichuan province, to restaurants in Yulin city in south China’s Guangxi province, but he was not able to produce official paperwork. The animals were going to be released by the Animal Quarantine Office, but when the Kunming AQ officer phoned the AQ office in Xichang, Sichuan Province, where the shipment had originated, he was told that they had a certificate for the shipment. Police were preparing to allow the transport to continue, even though it was clear to rescuers that some of the dogs in the shipment were stolen pets.

    The dogs that are farm raised in china for food are non-descript black or yellow dogs peculiar to the region. At least 100 of the dogs in the weekend rescue were varied in breed and had the appearance of family pets. Some of the dogs were Golden Retrievers, Huskies and Samoyeds, with many wearing leads and wearing clothes. Many of the dogs that were rescued still had collars with bells and name tags. 

    “They are obviously stolen,” said the organizer of the temporary shelter.

    http://news.petpardons.com/stolen-pets- ... slaughter/
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    incredible story, bronx bombers
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Bronx BombersBronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    Lions3DM0401_468x307.jpg

    The smiling children giggled as they patted the young goat on its head and tickled it behind the ears.

    Some of the more boisterous ones tried to clamber onto the animal's back but were soon shaken off with a quick wiggle of its bottom.

    It could have been a happy scene from a family zoo anywhere in the world but for what happened next.

    Children feed goats before the 'show' starts. One that has been 'bought' by a visitor is carried off

    A man hoisted up the goat and nonchalantly threw it over a wall into a pit full of hungry lions. The poor goat tried to run for its life, but it didn't stand a chance. The lions quickly surrounded it and started tearing at its flesh.

    "Oohs" and "aahs" filled the air as the children watched the goat being ripped limb from limb. Some started to clap silently with a look of wonder in their eyes.

    The scenes witnessed at Badaltearing Safari Park in China are rapidly becoming a normal day out for many Chinese families.

    Once the goat is carried from its pen, it is swiftly thrown into the lion enclosure

    Baying crowds now gather in zoos across the country to watch animals being torn to pieces by lions and tigers.

    Just an hour's drive from the main Olympic attractions in Beijing, Badaling is in many ways a typical Chinese zoo.

    Next to the main slaughter arena is a restaurant where families can dine on braised dog while watching cows and goats being disembowelled by lions.

    The zoo also encourages visitors to "fish" for lions using live chickens as bait. For just £2, giggling visitors tie terrified chickens onto bamboo rods and dangle them in front of the lions, just as a cat owner might tease their pet with a toy.

    The ravenous big cats quickly attack the goat and start to tear it limb from limb, all in the name of 'entertainment' for the Badaling zoo visitors

    During one visit, a woman managed to taunt the big cats with a petrified chicken for five minutes before a lion managed to grab the bird in its jaws.

    The crowd then applauded as the bird flapped its wings pathetically in a futile bid to escape. The lion eventually grew bored and crushed the terrified creature to death.

    The tourists were then herded onto buses and driven through the lions' compound to watch an equally cruel spectacle. The buses have specially designed chutes down which you can push live chickens and watch as they are torn to shreds.

    Once again, children are encouraged to take part in the slaughter.

    The lions tear the goat to pieces within seconds of landing in the enclosure

    "It's almost a form of child abuse," says Carol McKenna of the OneVoice animal welfare group. "The cruelty of Chinese zoos is disgusting, but think of the impact on the children watching it. What kind of future is there for China if its children think this kind of cruelty is normal?

    "In China, if you love animals you want to kill yourself every day out of despair."

    But the cruelty of Badaling doesn't stop with animals apart. For those who can still stomach it, the zoo has numerous traumatised animals to gawp at.

    A pair of endangered moon bears with rusting steel nose rings are chained up in cages so small that they cannot even turn around.

    One has clearly gone mad and spends most of its time shaking its head and bashing into the walls of its prison.

    There are numerous other creatures, including tigers, which also appear to have been driven insane by captivity. Predictably, they are kept in cramped, filthy conditions.

    !Zoos like this make me want to boycott everything Chinese," says Emma Milne, star of the BBC's Vets In Practice.

    "I'd like to rip out everything in my house that's made in China. I have big problems with their culture.

    "If you enjoy watching an animal die then that's a sad and disgusting reflection on you.

    "Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised by their behaviour towards animals, as the value of human life is so low in China."

    East of Badaling lies the equally horrific Qingdao zoo. Here, visitors can take part in China's latest craze ? tortoise baiting.

    Simply put, Chinese families now gather in zoos to hurl coins at tortoises.

    Legend has it that if you hit a tortoise on the head with a coin and make a wish, then your heart's desire will come true. It's the Chinese equivalent of a village wishing well.

    To feed this craze, tortoises are kept in barbaric conditions inside small bare rooms.

    When giggling tourists begin hurling coins at them, they desperately try to protect themselves by withdrawing into their shells.

    But Chinese zoo keepers have discovered a way round this: they wrap elastic bands around the animals' necks to stop them retracting their heads.

    "Tortoises aren't exactly fleet of foot and can't run away," says Carol McKenna.

    "It's monstrous that people hurl coins at the tortoises, but strapping their heads down with elastic bands so they can't hide is even more disgusting.

    "Because tortoises can't scream, people assume they don't suffer. But they do. I can't bear to think what it must be like to live in a tiny cell and have people hurl coins at you all day long."

    Even worse is in store for the animals of Xiongsen Bear and Tiger Mountain Village near Guilin in south-east China.

    Here, live cows are fed to tigers to amuse cheering crowds. During a recent visit, I watched in horror as a young cow was stalked and caught. Its screams and cries filled the air as it struggled to escape.

    A wild tiger would dispatch its prey within moments, but these beasts' natural killing skills have been blunted by years of living in tiny cages.

    The tiger tried to kill ? tearing and biting at the cow's body in a pathetic looking frenzy ? but it simply didn't know how.

    Eventually, the keepers broke up the contest and slaughtered the cow themselves, much to the disappointment of the crowd.

    Although the live killing exhibition was undoubtedly depressing, an equally disturbing sight lay around the corner: the "animal parade".

    Judging by the rest of the operation, the unseen training methods are unlikely to be humane, but what visitors view is bad enough.

    Tigers, bears and monkeys perform in a degrading "entertainment". Bears wear dresses, balance on balls and not only ride bicycles but mount horses too.

    The showpiece is a bear riding a bike on a high wire above a parade of tigers, monkeys and trumpet-playing bears.

    Astonishingly, the zoo also sells tiger meat and wine produced from big cats kept in battery-style cages.

    Tiger meat is eaten widely in China and the wine, made from the crushed bones of the animals, is a popular drink.

    Although it is illegal, the zoo is quite open about its activities. In fact, it boasts of having 140 dead tigers in freezers ready for the plate.

    In the restaurant, visitors can dine on strips of stir-fried tiger with ginger and Chinese vegetables. Also on the menu are tiger soup and a spicy red curry made with tenderised strips of big cat.

    And if all that isn't enough, you can dine on lion steaks, bear's paw, crocodile and several different species of snake.

    "Discerning" visitors can wash it all down with a glass or two of vintage wine made from the bones of Siberian tigers.

    The wine is made from the 1,300 or so tigers reared on the premises. The restaurant is a favourite with Chinese Communist Party officials who often pop down from Beijing for the weekend.

    China's zoos claim to be centres for education and conservation. Without them, they say, many species would become extinct.

    This is clearly a fig leaf and some would call it a simple lie. Many are no better than "freak shows" from the middle ages and some are no different to the bloody tournaments of ancient Rome.

    "It's farcical to claim that these zoos are educational," says Emma Milne.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -see.html#
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Lions3DM0401_468x307.jpg

    The smiling children giggled as they patted the young goat on its head and tickled it behind the ears.

    Some of the more boisterous ones tried to clamber onto the animal's back but were soon shaken off with a quick wiggle of its bottom.

    It could have been a happy scene from a family zoo anywhere in the world but for what happened next.

    Children feed goats before the 'show' starts. One that has been 'bought' by a visitor is carried off

    A man hoisted up the goat and nonchalantly threw it over a wall into a pit full of hungry lions. The poor goat tried to run for its life, but it didn't stand a chance. The lions quickly surrounded it and started tearing at its flesh.

    "Oohs" and "aahs" filled the air as the children watched the goat being ripped limb from limb. Some started to clap silently with a look of wonder in their eyes.

    The scenes witnessed at Badaltearing Safari Park in China are rapidly becoming a normal day out for many Chinese families.

    Once the goat is carried from its pen, it is swiftly thrown into the lion enclosure

    Baying crowds now gather in zoos across the country to watch animals being torn to pieces by lions and tigers.

    Just an hour's drive from the main Olympic attractions in Beijing, Badaling is in many ways a typical Chinese zoo.

    Next to the main slaughter arena is a restaurant where families can dine on braised dog while watching cows and goats being disembowelled by lions.

    The zoo also encourages visitors to "fish" for lions using live chickens as bait. For just £2, giggling visitors tie terrified chickens onto bamboo rods and dangle them in front of the lions, just as a cat owner might tease their pet with a toy.

    The ravenous big cats quickly attack the goat and start to tear it limb from limb, all in the name of 'entertainment' for the Badaling zoo visitors

    During one visit, a woman managed to taunt the big cats with a petrified chicken for five minutes before a lion managed to grab the bird in its jaws.

    The crowd then applauded as the bird flapped its wings pathetically in a futile bid to escape. The lion eventually grew bored and crushed the terrified creature to death.

    The tourists were then herded onto buses and driven through the lions' compound to watch an equally cruel spectacle. The buses have specially designed chutes down which you can push live chickens and watch as they are torn to shreds.

    Once again, children are encouraged to take part in the slaughter.

    The lions tear the goat to pieces within seconds of landing in the enclosure

    "It's almost a form of child abuse," says Carol McKenna of the OneVoice animal welfare group. "The cruelty of Chinese zoos is disgusting, but think of the impact on the children watching it. What kind of future is there for China if its children think this kind of cruelty is normal?

    "In China, if you love animals you want to kill yourself every day out of despair."

    But the cruelty of Badaling doesn't stop with animals apart. For those who can still stomach it, the zoo has numerous traumatised animals to gawp at.

    A pair of endangered moon bears with rusting steel nose rings are chained up in cages so small that they cannot even turn around.

    One has clearly gone mad and spends most of its time shaking its head and bashing into the walls of its prison.

    There are numerous other creatures, including tigers, which also appear to have been driven insane by captivity. Predictably, they are kept in cramped, filthy conditions.

    !Zoos like this make me want to boycott everything Chinese," says Emma Milne, star of the BBC's Vets In Practice.

    "I'd like to rip out everything in my house that's made in China. I have big problems with their culture.

    "If you enjoy watching an animal die then that's a sad and disgusting reflection on you.

    "Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised by their behaviour towards animals, as the value of human life is so low in China."

    East of Badaling lies the equally horrific Qingdao zoo. Here, visitors can take part in China's latest craze ? tortoise baiting.

    Simply put, Chinese families now gather in zoos to hurl coins at tortoises.

    Legend has it that if you hit a tortoise on the head with a coin and make a wish, then your heart's desire will come true. It's the Chinese equivalent of a village wishing well.

    To feed this craze, tortoises are kept in barbaric conditions inside small bare rooms.

    When giggling tourists begin hurling coins at them, they desperately try to protect themselves by withdrawing into their shells.

    But Chinese zoo keepers have discovered a way round this: they wrap elastic bands around the animals' necks to stop them retracting their heads.

    "Tortoises aren't exactly fleet of foot and can't run away," says Carol McKenna.

    "It's monstrous that people hurl coins at the tortoises, but strapping their heads down with elastic bands so they can't hide is even more disgusting.

    "Because tortoises can't scream, people assume they don't suffer. But they do. I can't bear to think what it must be like to live in a tiny cell and have people hurl coins at you all day long."

    Even worse is in store for the animals of Xiongsen Bear and Tiger Mountain Village near Guilin in south-east China.

    Here, live cows are fed to tigers to amuse cheering crowds. During a recent visit, I watched in horror as a young cow was stalked and caught. Its screams and cries filled the air as it struggled to escape.

    A wild tiger would dispatch its prey within moments, but these beasts' natural killing skills have been blunted by years of living in tiny cages.

    The tiger tried to kill ? tearing and biting at the cow's body in a pathetic looking frenzy ? but it simply didn't know how.

    Eventually, the keepers broke up the contest and slaughtered the cow themselves, much to the disappointment of the crowd.

    Although the live killing exhibition was undoubtedly depressing, an equally disturbing sight lay around the corner: the "animal parade".

    Judging by the rest of the operation, the unseen training methods are unlikely to be humane, but what visitors view is bad enough.

    Tigers, bears and monkeys perform in a degrading "entertainment". Bears wear dresses, balance on balls and not only ride bicycles but mount horses too.

    The showpiece is a bear riding a bike on a high wire above a parade of tigers, monkeys and trumpet-playing bears.

    Astonishingly, the zoo also sells tiger meat and wine produced from big cats kept in battery-style cages.

    Tiger meat is eaten widely in China and the wine, made from the crushed bones of the animals, is a popular drink.

    Although it is illegal, the zoo is quite open about its activities. In fact, it boasts of having 140 dead tigers in freezers ready for the plate.

    In the restaurant, visitors can dine on strips of stir-fried tiger with ginger and Chinese vegetables. Also on the menu are tiger soup and a spicy red curry made with tenderised strips of big cat.

    And if all that isn't enough, you can dine on lion steaks, bear's paw, crocodile and several different species of snake.

    "Discerning" visitors can wash it all down with a glass or two of vintage wine made from the bones of Siberian tigers.

    The wine is made from the 1,300 or so tigers reared on the premises. The restaurant is a favourite with Chinese Communist Party officials who often pop down from Beijing for the weekend.

    China's zoos claim to be centres for education and conservation. Without them, they say, many species would become extinct.

    This is clearly a fig leaf and some would call it a simple lie. Many are no better than "freak shows" from the middle ages and some are no different to the bloody tournaments of ancient Rome.

    "It's farcical to claim that these zoos are educational," says Emma Milne.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -see.html#
    that aint worth a fuck. i could very easily type some thing here that would get me banned. these chinese in these stories are beyond cruel, they are ignorant
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    all forms of animal cruelty is horrible.

    from foie gras and little bird drowning in France.

    bullfighting and throwing goats out windows in Spain.

    Dogfighting in US and elsewhere

    Planned "hunts" in the US

    the animals that don't die in the first attempts and mass killing stockyards

    cockfighting

    etc. etc. etc.

    China and Japan can be particularly cruel. Hopefully as more eyes are on them they start to be real about curbing these actions.

    It largely has never stopped Japan (or France or Spain or the US...).....
  • Cruelty to living things in China? Really? You don't say.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,021
    I think there should be embargoes against China but instead they're everyone's favorite trading partner.Mkes me sick. The world could make China change. Just stop doing business with them until they start acting like decent human beings towards animals and each other (might be nice if they would stop supporting North Korea too, eh?).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I think there should be embargoes against China but instead they're everyone's favorite trading partner.Mkes me sick. The world could make China change. Just stop doing business with them until they start acting like decent human beings towards animals and each other (might be nice if they would stop supporting North Korea too, eh?).
    thank you. add spain to your list for its bullfighting practices.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I think there should be embargoes against China but instead they're everyone's favorite trading partner.Makes me sick. The world could make China change. Just stop doing business with them until they start acting like decent human beings towards animals and each other (might be nice if they would stop supporting North Korea too, eh?).

    Well put. It is amazing to me: all this talk of socialism in the U.S., and yet we--THE AMERICAN CONSUMER--support a quasi-communist, environmentally destructive, human rights abusing, animal rights destroying nation like China to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars a year. But, the goods are cheap, and people in the U.S. purchase the goods due to the decline in real wages and the recession. Talk about a paradox (I use that word loosely here.)

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang ... n-the-u-s/

    Apologize for the generalizations and the mini rant. Just upset.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,021
    Smellyman wrote:
    Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....
    Please don't derail thread. That is way off topic. Thanks! :)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....
    Please don't derail thread. That is way off topic. Thanks! :)


    just pointing out the hypocrisy.

    but ok boss.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,021
    Smellyman wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....
    Please don't derail thread. That is way off topic. Thanks! :)


    just pointing out the hypocrisy.

    but ok boss.
    Sorry, that did come off kind of bossy. I just pictured what that statement might get others talking about, and i just didn't want the thread to get locked! I caught your drift though. :D
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    I should have known better than to look at this thread. :( :x The things mentioned here nauseate me, literally, and are so wrong and disgusting on so many levels. I really and truly hate people sometimes.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Smellyman wrote:
    Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....
    war is not the same as cramming turtles, fishes, and salamanders into rubber/plastic keychains. yes the united states government seems to enjoy a bit of war. again, it isn't the same thing, war and turtle, fish or salamander stuffed into keychains.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Bronx BombersBronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    Smellyman wrote:
    Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

    Sounds like you're trying to justify this behavior because I cannot understand how this has anything at all to do with the barbaric treatment of animals by the Chinese people?
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Cruelty to living things in China? Really? You don't say.

    That's a very smug comment. Are you suggesting that Americans have a right to get on their moral high horse with regards to any other country?
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Some Chinese mistreat animals, though the majority of people don't. There are also some places that are worse than others for such things - Guangzhou in the south is known for it's dog meat, and it's markets where you can buy cats and dogs for food. But If I'm not wrong, the famous market down there was closed down about ten years ago.
    Still, in a lot of the big cities now keeping pets has become very popular. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that 'the Chinese ' treat animals like shit. China is a country of over a billion people. Most people probably couldn't afford to have pets until fairly recently, so that may explain why generally China isn't known as an animal-loving nation.
    One thing I am aware of is how most of the people I know with pets don't give their pet a name. I sometimes ask my students what their pets name is and they tell me they haven't given it a name. It's pretty weird. I think a lot of people here just regard animals as objects.

    But yeah, fuck anyone who mistreats an animal. Though I've not seen anyone mistreat an animal here yet, and I've been here for four years.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,021
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Some Chinese mistreat animals, though the majority of people don't. There are also some places that are worse than others for such things - Guangzhou in the south is known for it's dog meat, and it's markets where you can buy cats and dogs for food. But If I'm not wrong, the famous market down there was closed down about ten years ago.
    Still, in a lot of the big cities now keeping pets has become very popular. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that 'the Chinese ' treat animals like shit. China is a country of over a billion people. Most people probably couldn't afford to have pets until fairly recently, so that may explain why generally China isn't known as an animal-loving nation.
    One thing I am aware of is how most of the people I know with pets don't give their pet a name. I sometimes ask my students what their pets name is and they tell me they haven't given it a name. It's pretty weird. I think a lot of people here just regard animals as objects.

    But yeah, fuck anyone who mistreats an animal. Though I've not seen anyone mistreat an animal here yet, and I've been here for four years.
    Apparently another popular activity in those cities where pet ownership has grown is people buying expensive designer dogs as a display of their monetary wealth (a big focus in Chinese culture now... the biggest), and apparently one of these purchases don't cut it. It's common for them to throw their dog into the street once they either get sick of owning it or want to further display their wealth by buying another, yet more expensive designer dog. So what is going on now is that these poor dogs that are tossed into the street are often either picked up by unfit owners or for unsavory means (ie puppy mills), or just die miserable deaths in the streets.

    And then, of course, there are all the stray non-designer dogs, who authorities just go out and kill with bats or collect for slaughter on a semi-regular basis - dog culls aren't uncommon in the cities. Here near where I live there is an area that is about 65% Chinese immigrants, and there is a massive rabbit infestation there now, because they all went through a phase where buying rabbits for pets got stylish... and then most of them would regret their choice (as many do who buy bunnies), and they all just released them into city parks, and the city was forced to do a rabbit cull. I was told all this by a friend of my mother's, who is from China and came to Canada to get the fuck out of her own country because she says their culture is going to ... the dogs. Badump-bum.

    Many other Chinese who have left have said the same thing (it's a rather common subject around Vancouver because the Chinese immigrant population is massive, which has been creating some degree of culture clash given the significant incompatibility between Chinese and Western cultures, making the subject of the state of the Chinese culture a more common conversation, often being carried by certain Chinese people who are very unhappy about the direction it's taking (and that it is migrating to Chinese communities abroad). I know not very PC, but still true; don't shoot the messenger. It's a shame... a result, one would assume, of the good ol' cultural revolution, totalitarian "communist" government, population crisis, growth and normalization of corruption in government, business, and education, and the uncontrolled rapid push towards industrialization; they all seem to have combined to create something quite unfortunate as a whole).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Smellyman wrote:
    Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

    Sounds like you're trying to justify this behavior because I cannot understand how this has anything at all to do with the barbaric treatment of animals by the Chinese people?

    No. No my earlier post condemned it greatly. There isn't anything I hate more than animal cruelty and am a vegetarian for that reason.

    I made the point of the US killing millions of innocent people around the world because of all the talk about sanctions to China. US and other "western" countries love to sit on their high horse and claim moral superiority when it is just not the case.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,021
    Smellyman wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

    Sounds like you're trying to justify this behavior because I cannot understand how this has anything at all to do with the barbaric treatment of animals by the Chinese people?

    No. No my earlier post condemned it greatly. There isn't anything I hate more than animal cruelty and am a vegetarian for that reason.

    I made the point of the US killing millions of innocent people around the world because of all the talk about sanctions to China. US and other "western" countries love to sit on their high horse and claim moral superiority when it is just not the case.
    Yeah, it's just that this is a thread about animal cruelty in China... We could all mention other bad shit that all kinds of other countries do, but I just don't understand what it has to do with this thread, because the people posting here aren't blowing up people all over the world - the U.S. isn't posting in this forum... :?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I was told all this by a friend of my mother's, who is from China and came to Canada to get the fuck out of her own country because she says their culture is going to ... the dogs. Badump-bum.

    ...certain Chinese people who are very unhappy about the direction it's taking (and that it is migrating to Chinese communities abroad). I know not very PC, but still true; don't shoot the messenger. It's a shame... a result, one would assume, of the good ol' cultural revolution, totalitarian "communist" government, population crisis, growth and normalization of corruption in government, business, and education, and the uncontrolled rapid push towards industrialization; they all seem to have combined to create something quite unfortunate as a whole).

    The Cultural Revolution ended in 1976. As for Chinese emigrating to escape a bad situation, I call bullshit. If any Chinese are leaving for this reason then it's a tiny minority who have probably run into trouble with the uthorities. But generally, the Chinese as a whole have it better now than they ever have before. There's probably more opportunity and money to be made here for them than there is in Vancouver. It's predeicted that China will have overtaken the U.S by the year 2020.
    Also, you need to realise that the Chinese are a very patriotic people. This is not an oppressed society, despite what you may see on U.S, or Canadian t.v. People here more personal freedom here than anything I've seen in the West. Maybe not more political freedom, but certainly more personal freedom. I've never met anyone here in China who has expressed a desire to leave. The only people I know who have left are students who have gone abroad to study.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,021
    Byrnzie wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I was told all this by a friend of my mother's, who is from China and came to Canada to get the fuck out of her own country because she says their culture is going to ... the dogs. Badump-bum.

    ...certain Chinese people who are very unhappy about the direction it's taking (and that it is migrating to Chinese communities abroad). I know not very PC, but still true; don't shoot the messenger. It's a shame... a result, one would assume, of the good ol' cultural revolution, totalitarian "communist" government, population crisis, growth and normalization of corruption in government, business, and education, and the uncontrolled rapid push towards industrialization; they all seem to have combined to create something quite unfortunate as a whole).

    The Cultural Revolution ended in 1976. As for Chinese emigrating to escape a bad situation, I call bullshit. If any Chinese are leaving for this reason then it's a tiny minority who have probably run into trouble with the uthorities. But generally, the Chinese as a whole have it better now than they ever have before. There's probably more opportunity and money to be made here for them than there is in Vancouver. It's predeicted that China will have overtaken the U.S by the year 2020.
    Also, you need to realise that the Chinese are a very patriotic people. This is not an oppressed society, despite what you may see on U.S, or Canadian t.v. People here more personal freedom here than anything I've seen in the West. Maybe not more political freedom, but certainly more personal freedom. I've never met anyone here in China who has expressed a desire to leave. The only people I know who have left are students who have gone abroad to study.
    I know the cultural revolution ended. I was talking about what it did to Chinese culture in the long run.
    After that... are you kidding?? You think people have more personal freedom in China? That is just completely false; I don't understand why you're saying it. People don't have freedom of speech or expression, their human and workers' rights are terrible... they can't even use the internet freely, and they can't have more than one child in urban areas. What are you talking about???
    You've never met anyone with a desire to leave? Okay... tell that to the 30,000 Chinese immigrants that are allowed into Canada alone every year (not to mention the ones who aren't accepted, some of whom are found in shipping containers as they try to smuggle themselves in). Sooo.... just not really sure what you're talking about. I will agree, however, that the Chinese are very "patriotic." They really don't seem want to have anything to do with anyone over here other than other Chinese people; many of them don't bother learning English, ever. It seems to be a very closed society/community. So that tells me they're pretty happy with their culture... but I think they still like that they have way more personal freedom. I'm sure the lack of filthy air and water is something they appreciate as well. Have you seen the thread about the blind dissident (can't remember his name right now... Guangcheng?)? Well, he's incredibly patriotic clearly, and therefore FIGHTS for the freedom that isn't in China right now... and now he's trying to get Hilary Clinton to take him and his family to the US before they all get jailed or beaten to death. :cry:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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