Axl Says "Thanks, But No Thanks" About HOF

Callaway

I heard the real reason he isn't going is because he heard that Tommy Hilfiger was going to be there and he doesn't want to get his ass kicked yet again by him. His friends told him to just go but don't be a douche and Hilfiger wouldn't beat him down.......but he knows it's impossible for him to not be a douche so he isn't risking getting beat down again by an old man fashion designer.

EdsonNascimento

Callaway wrote:

I heard the real reason he isn't going is because he heard that Tommy Hilfiger was going to be there and he doesn't want to get his ass kicked yet again by him. His friends told him to just go but don't be a douche and Hilfiger wouldn't beat him down.......but he knows it's impossible for him to not be a douche so he isn't risking getting beat down again by an old man fashion designer.

When you've run out of good arguments, here comes the classic - I know you are but what am I?

How many threads have you put this in now? Ok. We get it. There's an overblown story of Tommy H hitting Axl.

Your avatar is awesome, by the way. Goes with your "discussion point."

Callaway

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Callaway wrote:

I heard the real reason he isn't going is because he heard that Tommy Hilfiger was going to be there and he doesn't want to get his ass kicked yet again by him. His friends told him to just go but don't be a douche and Hilfiger wouldn't beat him down.......but he knows it's impossible for him to not be a douche so he isn't risking getting beat down again by an old man fashion designer.

When you've run out of good arguments, here comes the classic - I know you are but what am I?

How many threads have you put this in now? Ok. We get it. There's an overblown story of Tommy H hitting Axl.

Your avatar is awesome, by the way. Goes with your "discussion point."

I will probably put it in every thread about Guns N Roses when I'm in the mood to post anyway. I didn't beat him up, it was a 60 year old clothing mogul who did it so don't be mad at me.

Is the guy who wears the Kentucky Fried Chicken bucket on his head going to be there too? What a sorry excuse for a band these dolts were.

lowbudgetlush

Callaway wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Callaway wrote:

I heard the real reason he isn't going is because he heard that Tommy Hilfiger was going to be there and he doesn't want to get his ass kicked yet again by him. His friends told him to just go but don't be a douche and Hilfiger wouldn't beat him down.......but he knows it's impossible for him to not be a douche so he isn't risking getting beat down again by an old man fashion designer.

When you've run out of good arguments, here comes the classic - I know you are but what am I?

How many threads have you put this in now? Ok. We get it. There's an overblown story of Tommy H hitting Axl.

Your avatar is awesome, by the way. Goes with your "discussion point."

I will probably put it in every thread about Guns N Roses when I'm in the mood to post anyway. I didn't beat him up it was a 60 year old clothing mogul who did it so don't be mad at me. Is the guy who wears the Kentucky Fried Chicken bucket on his head going to be there too? What a sorry excuse for a band these dolts were.

Wow! Callaway you are something else. Guns N Roses are/were a great rock band and helped usher in bands like Pearl Jam & Nirvana by destroying the hair metal scene. You can bad mouth Guns all you want but as Kurt Cobain once said "Pearl Jam has a lot more in common with guns N roses than the Melvins". If you cant hear that than you are deaf. Ten is the '90's version of Appetite in my opinion.

mulva9

EdsonNascimento wrote:

You did notice that G 'n R Greatest Hits was back in the top 10 during/following the club tour? Has any of those guys (as much as I like them all, too) done that with ANY of their albums?

Interpret that how you will - popular doesn't matter, it's a greatest hits, it's new fans (which would be an ironic rationalization). But, it MEANS something.

Not disagreeing with the rest of your post. But the greatest hits wasn't in the top 10 because of the club tour. Amazon was selling it for 25 cents.

EdsonNascimento

mulva9 wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

You did notice that G 'n R Greatest Hits was back in the top 10 during/following the club tour? Has any of those guys (as much as I like them all, too) done that with ANY of their albums?

Interpret that how you will - popular doesn't matter, it's a greatest hits, it's new fans (which would be an ironic rationalization). But, it MEANS something.

Not disagreeing with the rest of your post. But the greatest hits wasn't in the top 10 because of the club tour. Amazon was selling it for 25 cents.

So, if they sold Slash's Snakepit for 10 cents it would shoot to the top 10? Not trying to put him down, but I'm guessing most folks wouldn't even know it existed.

EDIT: But truthfully, I did not know that to be the case. I'm only laying this out if it was.

Holtzmn

Mike Gossard wrote:

I just hope the rest of the guys will play. 1 song with Steven and 1 song with Matt and yes bring Myles Kennedy, and Izzy because he hasn't said yes yet.

Izzy told Duff/Slash over a week ago that he wasn't going.

BamaPJFan

I'm a big fan of each GNR. I have no problem whatsoever with Axl's statement. First and foremost, the Rock Hall is a sham. Everyone knows that. They induct non-rock bands and ignore some of the greatest, most influential bands of all time. Eventually, they'll induct Nirvana, while ignoring superior bands Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains. Just wait, it's going to happen.

Furthermore, Axl was not going to allow a bunch of hacks at the Hall try and dictate when (and if) the original GNR lineup would get back together. Screw the Hall. Long live dysfunctional rock stars!!!!!!!

PKTrekGirl

uninnocent- wrote:

Mike Gossard wrote:

I'm with Trek Girl. Bring in Myles Kennedy. It was so great to see Slash open for Ozzy last year and play some of those songs. Those are the songs of my youth and they bring back such great memories It really made me feel great and energized for a few weeks after the show.

I'd definitely pay to see these shows.

I would too. And I would NOT pay to see Axl and nuGnR. So that says something.

Of course the impression is gonna be that Axl sings the old GnR songs 'better' than Myles - he sang them originally, and many of the lyrics were his. And anyone else singing them sounds sort of cover-ish, even if they are singing with Slash.

However, IMO, Myles Kennedy has the better voice...and I'll but Starlight up against pretty much any GnR song (certainly any recent GnR song - no contest!!) and give Myles the nod on sound. Myles Kennedy is a great singer with an incredible range. Just listen to Summergirl from his Mayfield Four days - we are talking Chris Cornell range here.

Plus, and this is a HUGE plus - he's not a Massive Fucking Douchebag. I don't care what kind of talent Axl has - he's an asshole of epic proportions. A guy who is so All About ME that he can't see anything except in terms of how it effects HIM. And every time he doesn't get his way or what he believes to be the appropriate amount of worship and adoration from everyone around him, he pouts like a toddler and pitches hissy fits. And frankly, I'm over it.

I hope Slash rounds up the rest of the original GnR, grabs Myles Kennedy, and rocks the house at the HoF. Since Axl wants to act like a child, he can sit at home and watch it on TV. Because frankly, this was was last straw for me and Axl Rose. I'm done with him. Axl needs to save his drama for his mama more than anyone in the fucking universe.

uninnocent-

I'll admit that I've paid twice to see Axl's current GnR and had a great time. I'll also admit I've only seen one YouTube video of Myles singing, so I can't accurately judge. My belief however is that if Axl feels the musicians are replaceable, why can't the musicians find their singer replaceable? I saw Velvet Revolver do some GnR and it sounded awesome. Different, yes, but it was still great. I would love to see a full set of the former band play the music that made them big.

EdsonNascimento

PKTrekGirl wrote:

I would too. And I would NOT pay to see Axl and nuGnR. So that says something.

You would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. At least the shows they put on for the club show were incredible, and Slash was not missed.

Why do we (I exclude me in the we b/c I don't) care about the personal lives of people we don't know (even if we think we do)? Who give a spit if Axl's an ass (which I think if you read up on what's out there, you will see it's clear there's wrong on both sides)? I can understand if you were at a show they cancelled or cut short - fine - you've had a direct hit. But, to think that was Axl all on his lonesome and not his bandmates, then, I guess we'll just believe everything that's written.

He's not harming babies or starting wars in the Middle East. So, who gives a crap if the media paints him one way or the other? OR, if he actually is one way or another? I guess I'm a product of the sports steroid era - I don't give a crap if you fight with your guitarist or shorten your life. As long as I'm enjoying, destroy yourself. I bet most folks talking crap about Axl glorify Kurt who took the easy way out. Now, that's pathetic.

It's about the music. And your statement only lessens your potential enjoyment of life b/c this current line-up puts on a kick ass show.

perfectlefts14

The real reason Axl isn't going is because the HOF told him he couldn't change his outfit twenty times because there are schedules to keep.

capthowdy1027

EdsonNascimento wrote:

PKTrekGirl wrote:

I would too. And I would NOT pay to see Axl and nuGnR. So that says something.

You would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. At least the shows they put on for the club show were incredible, and Slash was not missed.

Why do we (I exclude me in the we b/c I don't) care about the personal lives of people we don't know (even if we think we do)? Who give a spit if Axl's an ass (which I think if you read up on what's out there, you will see it's clear there's wrong on both sides)? I can understand if you were at a show they cancelled or cut short - fine - you've had a direct hit. But, to think that was Axl all on his lonesome and not his bandmates, then, I guess we'll just believe everything that's written.

He's not harming babies or starting wars in the Middle East. So, who gives a crap if the media paints him one way or the other? OR, if he actually is one way or another? I guess I'm a product of the sports steroid era - I don't give a crap if you fight with your guitarist or shorten your life. As long as I'm enjoying, destroy yourself. I bet most folks talking crap about Axl glorify Kurt who took the easy way out. Now, that's pathetic.

It's about the music. And your statement only lessens your potential enjoyment of life b/c this current line-up puts on a kick ass show.

Great post. I never got the chance to see GNR back in the day but I saw the band a few months ago and loved every second of it. I thought Chinese Democracy was a fantastic album but obviously not many other people agree. I also think most people that talk shit about it didn't even listen to it or just couldn't keep an open mind going into it. I don't care that Slash ain't in the band anymore. Was he a good guitar player? Of course. Is there anything that he can do that DJ Ashba can't? Not really. And what has Slash done without Axl? His solo stuff sucked. He guest starred at the Super Bowl with the damn Black Eye Peas and had a ton of shitty guest singers on his last album. I personally didn't care for Velvet Revolver but I understand that some people did, so that's cool.

But I'm sorry, I miss the days of "rock stars". All these new bands are so damn tame and corporate that it just makes it boring. At least Axl keeps it interesting.

Holtzmn

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/168299 ... tter.jhtml


An Open Letter To Axl Rose And Guns N' Roses Fans Everywhere
Our columnist comes out in support of the last remaining rock star after Axl's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame kiss-off.

By James Montgomery

To: W. Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

Greetings from New York City, which is approximately 490 miles from Cleveland, site of this weekend's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony and roughly 50 bazillion miles from whatever Bedouin caravan Mr. Rose is currently encamped with — though, to be honest, it feels much farther removed from both. Especially given the reaction most GN'R fans have had to Rose's open letter to the Hall of Fame, which he published Wednesday and which has subsequently turned him into the most hated man on the Internet.

Here's the thing (and, really, the reason I'm writing this letter): Despite the thousands of comments his letter has generated — which largely run the gamut from "YOU SUCK" to "Axl Rose is a freaking whiny-ass bitch" — I'm happy to be in the minority of people who seemingly have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, I think it's pretty awesome.

Because I support Axl Rose. And yes, I am aware that, in the past, I have called him "the creepy old guy with the Raiders jersey who lives on top of the hill" and compared him to Lil Wayne. And sure, I realize his recent, uh, output might not be on par with Guns' previous efforts (anyone can have a bad 20 years). But after reading his letter, none of those things matter. Or, if anything, they actually made it better for me. Because Axl Rose is a rock star. Maybe the last one standing. He is an anachronism and an enigma. There will never be another like him, and really, his missive to the Rock Hall is just further proof of all those points.

To wit: There are a lot of words in Rose's letter (more than 1,000 of them), none of which are "apology." This is because Axl never apologizes. Because he doesn't have to, and he doesn't care if that offends you. He also never allows himself to be backed into a corner — and everything from his unrelenting blood feud with Slash to the 15-year wait for Chinese Democracy is basically proof of this — and he intimates at several points in his letter that everyone from the HOF committee to his former bandmates was basically attempting to do just that. So rather than be intimidated, Rose just decided to walk away from the whole thing. As he writes, "No one's taking the ball and going home. ... From my perspective ... the ball's never been in our court."

It's easy to call Rose a jerk for doing this, but, really, he is a jerk. It's what makes him who he is and why he's still able to sell out arenas around the world. We've come to expect nothing less, and yet we're willing to vilify him for acting the way he always has.

In some bizarre way, by skipping the induction (and asking his name not be mentioned in absentia), Rose displays a supreme level of actual integrity. Unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who previously asked that his band Black Sabbath no longer be considered for the Hall only to show up at the 2006 induction and call it an "achievement," Axl won't come crawling back. And unlike fellow 2006 inductees Blondie, he spared anyone the ugly onstage feud that surely would've erupted by simply saying, "No thanks." He does what he wants and only what he wants. And the same goes for that much-discussed GN'R reunion, which he shuts down in the letter because, really, it's "time to move on."

And that last quote should be taken to heart by all the Guns fans out there raging against Rose today. Because, really, it is time to move on. Move on from your misguided beliefs that Rose is ever going to change or suddenly have a moment of clarity. It's been, like, 20 years now, and he's never wavered from his original point: No reunion, not ever. Guns N' Roses are still a band and they still tour, and if you don't like it, then don't come out to the shows. Even though you probably still will.

So, sure, be angry with Axl today. Make claims of never listening to his music again (which would suppose he's ever going to make music again) and accuse him of putting himself before his fans. But don't take him to task for being the same person he's been for 25 years now, because, really, you wouldn't want him to change. Not for a reunion tour, not for an induction ceremony, not for anything. He will continue to blaze his own path whether you follow him or not. And I applaud him for doing so. He is Axl Rose, after all. He is rock and roll in an era where that phrase has increasingly less clout. We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall. It's about the only way we can sleep at night, knowing somewhere, Axl is watching over us all. And writing open letters to let us know he still cares.

Sincerely,
James Montgomery

PissBottleMan

Nice read...thanks for posting. As I mentioned earlier, I give him credit for standing up and being honest about the whole thing.

PBM

Bronx Bombers

Former Guns N’ Roses drummer Steven Adler is making all kinds of headlines leading up to the band’s induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame next week.

Desperate to perform with a reunited GNR at the event, Alder went off last week during an interview with Loudwire about his frustration over the upcoming event, including a hefty slam against the band’s current lineup.

“He [Slash] wants to do it. I want to do it,” said Adler. “Just from what I hear, Izzy [Stradlin]‘s not gonna show up and Axl [Rose] will probably want to play with his hack band — his band of hacks. ‘Axl and His Hacks’ — it shouldn’t even be Guns N’ Roses. He’s just driving that name into the freakin’ ground. ‘Axl and His Hacks.’”

Adler had second thoughts about his comments, and offered an apology to those involved, which was accepted by Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal.

"Sometimes my emotions get the best of me when talking about my former band,” explained Adler. “It's hard to see your ex in bed with somebody else. We created one of the biggest-selling debut albums of all time and it's no secret that I want to finish what we started 25 years ago and play together at the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. The guys that Axl has put together are all great players. They're not hacks in the sense that they can't play, they're all incredible musicians. I just meant that they are not the original lineup. I would like to apologize to Axl, Bumblefoot, D.J., Tommy, Dizzy, Richard, Frank, and Chris for my statement."

Now, in another interview about the Rock Hall, Adler has decided to rephrase his choice of insults about the current GNR band members.

"I apologized to them,” Adler told Artisan News (See video below). “I said the wrong word. I meant to say 'scabs.' But, you see, 'scabs' are something that… Big factories, when the main workers would go on strike, the factory would get people off the street and they would call them scabs. I wouldn't say they can't play. I would just say more the main people are on strike, [and] this is what Axl's got going. Of course they're great players, or they wouldn't be playing with Axl.

http://www.hennemusic.com/2012/04/steve ... roses.html

Wouldn't doubt that adlers recent comments may have played a role in all of this.

EdsonNascimento

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Former Guns N’ Roses drummer Steven Adler is making all kinds of headlines leading up to the band’s induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame next week.

Desperate to perform with a reunited GNR at the event, Alder went off last week during an interview with Loudwire about his frustration over the upcoming event, including a hefty slam against the band’s current lineup.

“He [Slash] wants to do it. I want to do it,” said Adler. “Just from what I hear, Izzy [Stradlin]‘s not gonna show up and Axl [Rose] will probably want to play with his hack band — his band of hacks. ‘Axl and His Hacks’ — it shouldn’t even be Guns N’ Roses. He’s just driving that name into the freakin’ ground. ‘Axl and His Hacks.’”

Adler had second thoughts about his comments, and offered an apology to those involved, which was accepted by Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal.

"Sometimes my emotions get the best of me when talking about my former band,” explained Adler. “It's hard to see your ex in bed with somebody else. We created one of the biggest-selling debut albums of all time and it's no secret that I want to finish what we started 25 years ago and play together at the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. The guys that Axl has put together are all great players. They're not hacks in the sense that they can't play, they're all incredible musicians. I just meant that they are not the original lineup. I would like to apologize to Axl, Bumblefoot, D.J., Tommy, Dizzy, Richard, Frank, and Chris for my statement."

Now, in another interview about the Rock Hall, Adler has decided to rephrase his choice of insults about the current GNR band members.

"I apologized to them,” Adler told Artisan News (See video below). “I said the wrong word. I meant to say 'scabs.' But, you see, 'scabs' are something that… Big factories, when the main workers would go on strike, the factory would get people off the street and they would call them scabs. I wouldn't say they can't play. I would just say more the main people are on strike, [and] this is what Axl's got going. Of course they're great players, or they wouldn't be playing with Axl.

http://www.hennemusic.com/2012/04/steve ... roses.html

Wouldn't doubt that adlers recent comments may have played a role in all of this.

this is the side the anti-Axl folks are taking. You can have Adler and the others that are with him. Do you maybe get some insight into the problem? Izzy said he wasn't going BEFORE Axl. Of course these guys want to perform with Axl. $$$$$

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Adler has always reminded me of Uncle whatshisname from Napoleon Dynamite. Living in the past. Complete loser that can't move on with life. He was on ONE FUCKING ALBUM. He got booted before UYI were even recorded. Who in their right mind would want to attach their wagon to his star? He's a train wreck.

And I have to say, as much of a dick as Axl's been in the past, I can't say a bad word about his letter. He seems to have his shit in order and he isn't afraid to serve it up.

Good for him.

Velvet Revolver should play in the GNR slot. That would be awesome.

capthowdy1027

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Adler has always reminded me of Uncle whatshisname from Napoleon Dynamite. Living in the past. Complete loser that can't move on with life. He was on ONE FUCKING ALBUM. He got booted before UYI were even recorded. Who in their right mind would want to attach their wagon to his star? He's a train wreck.

And I have to say, as much of a dick as Axl's been in the past, I can't say a bad word about his letter. He seems to have his shit in order and he isn't afraid to serve it up.

Good for him.

Velvet Revolver should play in the GNR slot. That would be awesome.

I laughed my ass off last year when I seen QOTSA at a small club and there was a flyer in the bathroom saying that Adler's Appetite was coming soon. He's in a damn cover band that plays shit from the one album he was on. Like you said, move on.

rrivers

Interesting from Duff:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/thelife/ ... id=7799013