Trayvon Martin

Godfather.

A resident of the Florida community where George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin last year told jurors Friday afternoon how he encountered a bloodied Zimmerman immediately after the confrontation and took pictures of the murder defendant's injuries.

State witness Joe Manalo testified that he took the photos with his cell phone that showed blood on Zimmerman's lip and scalp.

"He had blood running down his nose from both nostrils and over his lips," Manalo told Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

Manalo said Zimmerman asked him to call his wife, Shellie, and tell her that he just shot someone as cops arrived on the scene.

"He had a cell phone in his hand and he tossed it on the ground asking if I could call his wife," Manalo testified. "He gave me her number. I had a connection right away and said, 'Your husband has been involved in a shooting. He's detained by Sanford police.'"

"Just tell her I shot someone," Manalo recalled Zimmerman saying, to which he obliged.

On cross-examination, defense attorney Don West read a transcript of what Manalo claims Zimmerman told him after the shooting.

"This guy was beating me up and I was defending myself. I shot him," the statement read.

West then asked Manalo, "George Zimmerman asked, 'Am I bleeding?'" Manalo confirmed that he did.

Manalo also confirmed his earlier statement that when the police officer asked him who shot Martin, Zimmerman replied immediately saying that he had.

Earlier on Friday, another neighbor, John Good, testified how he witnessed an MMA-style fracas between Zimmerman and Martin. He described seeing one person straddling another and throwing punches down at the person which he described in a statement as a "ground and pound."

Good said he was watching TV with his wife when they heard a noise and he went out to investigate, despite his wife warning him not to. At first, he thought a dog might be attacking someone, but as he moved closer, he said he observed what looked like "a tussle" between two people.

"It looked like a tussle," Good said. "I could only see one person. At one point, I yelled out, 'What's going on? Stop it,' I believe.

Under questioning by De la Rionda, Good said one of the combatants was straddling a man lying face up on the pavement, and throwing punches. The testimony appeared to corroborate Zimmerman's claims that he shot the 17-year-old African-American with a legally registered gun in self defense, as he was being pummeled.

"I could tell that the person on the bottom had a lighter skin color," testified Good, who also said the person on the bottom appeared to be wearing "white or red," while the one on top wore dark clothing. Zimmerman identified that day as Hispanic and was wearing a red jacket. That also would corroborate Zimmerman's claims he was on the losing end of a violent confrontation when he fired the fatal shot.

But Good said he did not see the person on top slam the other one's head into the pavement. Zimmerman had wounds to his scalp following the confrontation.

Good, who went back inside and was calling 911 when he heard a gunshot, listened as an audio recording of his call was played in the courtroom.

"It looks like there's a black guy down, and he's dead," Good said on the call.

During cross examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Good to be more specific as to the exact positions of the two men on the ground and even demonstrated in the courtroom asking for visual confirmation. He also asked what Good meant on the 911 call when he said the person on top was engaged in an "MMA-style" move of "ground and pound". The witness also said during testimony that the person on the bottom was unable to move under a flurry of punches.

When O'Mara asked him if the person on top was Martin, Good said: "Correct, that's what it looked like."

Good also said he believed the person on the bottom yelled for help, but later conceded that he was not 100 percent sure it was the person on the bottom calling for help while he was in his house placing the emergency call, only that it "sounded like" it came from the person being attacked.



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Guitar92player

I guarantee there are still many things about the fight we don't know.

For all we know, they could have switched positions various times, Martin on top beating Zimmerman and vice versa. It's just a matter of who started it.


I am watching the trial now, and basically they are saying the wounds he received do not match how Zimmerman described it. He said his head was being beat into the ground (which is why he shot Martin), but the wound on the back of his head does not show such force was used on his head (and not enough blood). How Zimmerman described it is that his head was "about to explode." I bet it did hurt, but not as bad as he described it, and not much damage to have to pull a gun on someone.

vant0037

Godfather. wrote:

A resident of the Florida community where George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin last year told jurors Friday afternoon how he encountered a bloodied Zimmerman immediately after the confrontation and took pictures of the murder defendant's injuries.

State witness Joe Manalo testified that he took the photos with his cell phone that showed blood on Zimmerman's lip and scalp.

"He had blood running down his nose from both nostrils and over his lips," Manalo told Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

Manalo said Zimmerman asked him to call his wife, Shellie, and tell her that he just shot someone as cops arrived on the scene.

"He had a cell phone in his hand and he tossed it on the ground asking if I could call his wife," Manalo testified. "He gave me her number. I had a connection right away and said, 'Your husband has been involved in a shooting. He's detained by Sanford police.'"

"Just tell her I shot someone," Manalo recalled Zimmerman saying, to which he obliged.

On cross-examination, defense attorney Don West read a transcript of what Manalo claims Zimmerman told him after the shooting.

"This guy was beating me up and I was defending myself. I shot him," the statement read.

West then asked Manalo, "George Zimmerman asked, 'Am I bleeding?'" Manalo confirmed that he did.

Manalo also confirmed his earlier statement that when the police officer asked him who shot Martin, Zimmerman replied immediately saying that he had.

Earlier on Friday, another neighbor, John Good, testified how he witnessed an MMA-style fracas between Zimmerman and Martin. He described seeing one person straddling another and throwing punches down at the person which he described in a statement as a "ground and pound."

Good said he was watching TV with his wife when they heard a noise and he went out to investigate, despite his wife warning him not to. At first, he thought a dog might be attacking someone, but as he moved closer, he said he observed what looked like "a tussle" between two people.

"It looked like a tussle," Good said. "I could only see one person. At one point, I yelled out, 'What's going on? Stop it,' I believe.

Under questioning by De la Rionda, Good said one of the combatants was straddling a man lying face up on the pavement, and throwing punches. The testimony appeared to corroborate Zimmerman's claims that he shot the 17-year-old African-American with a legally registered gun in self defense, as he was being pummeled.

"I could tell that the person on the bottom had a lighter skin color," testified Good, who also said the person on the bottom appeared to be wearing "white or red," while the one on top wore dark clothing. Zimmerman identified that day as Hispanic and was wearing a red jacket. That also would corroborate Zimmerman's claims he was on the losing end of a violent confrontation when he fired the fatal shot.

But Good said he did not see the person on top slam the other one's head into the pavement. Zimmerman had wounds to his scalp following the confrontation.

Good, who went back inside and was calling 911 when he heard a gunshot, listened as an audio recording of his call was played in the courtroom.

"It looks like there's a black guy down, and he's dead," Good said on the call.

During cross examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Good to be more specific as to the exact positions of the two men on the ground and even demonstrated in the courtroom asking for visual confirmation. He also asked what Good meant on the 911 call when he said the person on top was engaged in an "MMA-style" move of "ground and pound". The witness also said during testimony that the person on the bottom was unable to move under a flurry of punches.

When O'Mara asked him if the person on top was Martin, Good said: "Correct, that's what it looked like."

Good also said he believed the person on the bottom yelled for help, but later conceded that he was not 100 percent sure it was the person on the bottom calling for help while he was in his house placing the emergency call, only that it "sounded like" it came from the person being attacked.



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Wait wait wait, these are witnesses for the State? Why on Earth would the prosecutor call witnesses with testimony that corroborates Zimmerman? Where did you find this recitation of the testimony? Oh wait...never mind.

Guitar92player

vant0037 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

A resident of the Florida community where George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin last year told jurors Friday afternoon how he encountered a bloodied Zimmerman immediately after the confrontation and took pictures of the murder defendant's injuries.

State witness Joe Manalo testified that he took the photos with his cell phone that showed blood on Zimmerman's lip and scalp.

"He had blood running down his nose from both nostrils and over his lips," Manalo told Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

Manalo said Zimmerman asked him to call his wife, Shellie, and tell her that he just shot someone as cops arrived on the scene.

"He had a cell phone in his hand and he tossed it on the ground asking if I could call his wife," Manalo testified. "He gave me her number. I had a connection right away and said, 'Your husband has been involved in a shooting. He's detained by Sanford police.'"

"Just tell her I shot someone," Manalo recalled Zimmerman saying, to which he obliged.

On cross-examination, defense attorney Don West read a transcript of what Manalo claims Zimmerman told him after the shooting.

"This guy was beating me up and I was defending myself. I shot him," the statement read.

West then asked Manalo, "George Zimmerman asked, 'Am I bleeding?'" Manalo confirmed that he did.

Manalo also confirmed his earlier statement that when the police officer asked him who shot Martin, Zimmerman replied immediately saying that he had.

Earlier on Friday, another neighbor, John Good, testified how he witnessed an MMA-style fracas between Zimmerman and Martin. He described seeing one person straddling another and throwing punches down at the person which he described in a statement as a "ground and pound."

Good said he was watching TV with his wife when they heard a noise and he went out to investigate, despite his wife warning him not to. At first, he thought a dog might be attacking someone, but as he moved closer, he said he observed what looked like "a tussle" between two people.

"It looked like a tussle," Good said. "I could only see one person. At one point, I yelled out, 'What's going on? Stop it,' I believe.

Under questioning by De la Rionda, Good said one of the combatants was straddling a man lying face up on the pavement, and throwing punches. The testimony appeared to corroborate Zimmerman's claims that he shot the 17-year-old African-American with a legally registered gun in self defense, as he was being pummeled.

"I could tell that the person on the bottom had a lighter skin color," testified Good, who also said the person on the bottom appeared to be wearing "white or red," while the one on top wore dark clothing. Zimmerman identified that day as Hispanic and was wearing a red jacket. That also would corroborate Zimmerman's claims he was on the losing end of a violent confrontation when he fired the fatal shot.

But Good said he did not see the person on top slam the other one's head into the pavement. Zimmerman had wounds to his scalp following the confrontation.

Good, who went back inside and was calling 911 when he heard a gunshot, listened as an audio recording of his call was played in the courtroom.

"It looks like there's a black guy down, and he's dead," Good said on the call.

During cross examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Good to be more specific as to the exact positions of the two men on the ground and even demonstrated in the courtroom asking for visual confirmation. He also asked what Good meant on the 911 call when he said the person on top was engaged in an "MMA-style" move of "ground and pound". The witness also said during testimony that the person on the bottom was unable to move under a flurry of punches.

When O'Mara asked him if the person on top was Martin, Good said: "Correct, that's what it looked like."

Good also said he believed the person on the bottom yelled for help, but later conceded that he was not 100 percent sure it was the person on the bottom calling for help while he was in his house placing the emergency call, only that it "sounded like" it came from the person being attacked.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/28/zi ... z2XXvG6eDj

Wait wait wait, these are witnesses for the State? Why on Earth would the prosecutor call witnesses with testimony that corroborates Zimmerman? Where did you find this recitation of the testimony? Oh wait...never mind.

lol

vant0037

Here's MSNBC's take on the same testimony...wow...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06 ... hrown?lite

One side hears testimony that completely confirms and corroborates Zimmerman, and the other hears testimony that confirms there was a fight, but no "head pounding" and was "back and forth."

Sheesh...some newsmen with agendas I guess...

Godfather.

vant0037 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

A resident of the Florida community where George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin last year told jurors Friday afternoon how he encountered a bloodied Zimmerman immediately after the confrontation and took pictures of the murder defendant's injuries.

State witness Joe Manalo testified that he took the photos with his cell phone that showed blood on Zimmerman's lip and scalp.

"He had blood running down his nose from both nostrils and over his lips," Manalo told Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

Manalo said Zimmerman asked him to call his wife, Shellie, and tell her that he just shot someone as cops arrived on the scene.

"He had a cell phone in his hand and he tossed it on the ground asking if I could call his wife," Manalo testified. "He gave me her number. I had a connection right away and said, 'Your husband has been involved in a shooting. He's detained by Sanford police.'"

"Just tell her I shot someone," Manalo recalled Zimmerman saying, to which he obliged.

On cross-examination, defense attorney Don West read a transcript of what Manalo claims Zimmerman told him after the shooting.

"This guy was beating me up and I was defending myself. I shot him," the statement read.

West then asked Manalo, "George Zimmerman asked, 'Am I bleeding?'" Manalo confirmed that he did.

Manalo also confirmed his earlier statement that when the police officer asked him who shot Martin, Zimmerman replied immediately saying that he had.

Earlier on Friday, another neighbor, John Good, testified how he witnessed an MMA-style fracas between Zimmerman and Martin. He described seeing one person straddling another and throwing punches down at the person which he described in a statement as a "ground and pound."

Good said he was watching TV with his wife when they heard a noise and he went out to investigate, despite his wife warning him not to. At first, he thought a dog might be attacking someone, but as he moved closer, he said he observed what looked like "a tussle" between two people.

"It looked like a tussle," Good said. "I could only see one person. At one point, I yelled out, 'What's going on? Stop it,' I believe.

Under questioning by De la Rionda, Good said one of the combatants was straddling a man lying face up on the pavement, and throwing punches. The testimony appeared to corroborate Zimmerman's claims that he shot the 17-year-old African-American with a legally registered gun in self defense, as he was being pummeled.

"I could tell that the person on the bottom had a lighter skin color," testified Good, who also said the person on the bottom appeared to be wearing "white or red," while the one on top wore dark clothing. Zimmerman identified that day as Hispanic and was wearing a red jacket. That also would corroborate Zimmerman's claims he was on the losing end of a violent confrontation when he fired the fatal shot.

But Good said he did not see the person on top slam the other one's head into the pavement. Zimmerman had wounds to his scalp following the confrontation.

Good, who went back inside and was calling 911 when he heard a gunshot, listened as an audio recording of his call was played in the courtroom.

"It looks like there's a black guy down, and he's dead," Good said on the call.

During cross examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked Good to be more specific as to the exact positions of the two men on the ground and even demonstrated in the courtroom asking for visual confirmation. He also asked what Good meant on the 911 call when he said the person on top was engaged in an "MMA-style" move of "ground and pound". The witness also said during testimony that the person on the bottom was unable to move under a flurry of punches.

When O'Mara asked him if the person on top was Martin, Good said: "Correct, that's what it looked like."

Good also said he believed the person on the bottom yelled for help, but later conceded that he was not 100 percent sure it was the person on the bottom calling for help while he was in his house placing the emergency call, only that it "sounded like" it came from the person being attacked.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/28/zi ... z2XXvG6eDj

Wait wait wait, these are witnesses for the State? Why on Earth would the prosecutor call witnesses with testimony that corroborates Zimmerman? Where did you find this recitation of the testimony? Oh wait...never mind.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/28 ... ?hpt=ju_c1

Godfather.

Guitar92player

vant0037 wrote:

Here's MSNBC's take on the same testimony...wow...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06 ... hrown?lite

One side hears testimony that completely confirms and corroborates Zimmerman, and the other hears testimony that confirms there was a fight, but no "head pounding" and was "back and forth."

Sheesh...some newsmen with agendas I guess...

MSNBC is just as bad as Fox News.

I just watch the trial and ignore how the news interprets it.

Cosmo

Question: Is it true that most Americans will try to get out of Jury Duty?
...
If 'Yes'... then, why is America infatuated with sensationalized television Jury Trials?

mickeyrat

Cosmo wrote:

Question: Is it true that most Americans will try to get out of Jury Duty?
...
If 'Yes'... then, why is America infatuated with sensationalized television Jury Trials?

because it isn't WE who are seated/sequestered for it. Its a variation on gladiator days. Its a human thing.

Cosmo

mickeyrat wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Question: Is it true that most Americans will try to get out of Jury Duty?
...
If 'Yes'... then, why is America infatuated with sensationalized television Jury Trials?

because it isn't WE who are seated/sequestered for it. Its a variation on gladiator days. Its a human thing.

...
Oh... I get it. We can sit there, in front of our televisions and give our pre-concieved opinions... that don't matter, one way or the other... instead of sitting in a Jury Box where we are forced to weigh all of the testimony, without our biased prejudice, in a fair and just manner... where our verdict actually means something.
...
P.S. If a so-called, 'Legal Expert' ever shows up on your television screen... change the channel. Better yet, hit the OFF button and go back to listening to the latest 'Queens Of The Stone Age' record. It's better for your brain.

vant0037

Guitar92player wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

Here's MSNBC's take on the same testimony...wow...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06 ... hrown?lite

One side hears testimony that completely confirms and corroborates Zimmerman, and the other hears testimony that confirms there was a fight, but no "head pounding" and was "back and forth."

Sheesh...some newsmen with agendas I guess...

MSNBC is just as bad as Fox News.

I just watch the trial and ignore how the news interprets it.

That was my point.

Guitar92player

vant0037 wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

Here's MSNBC's take on the same testimony...wow...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06 ... hrown?lite

One side hears testimony that completely confirms and corroborates Zimmerman, and the other hears testimony that confirms there was a fight, but no "head pounding" and was "back and forth."

Sheesh...some newsmen with agendas I guess...

MSNBC is just as bad as Fox News.

I just watch the trial and ignore how the news interprets it.

That was my point.

Oh I know, I was just reiterating how both channels suck ass.

Last-12-Exit

Zimmerman is going to walk. Every prosecution witness except the girlfriend has been gold for the defense.

gimmesometruth27

Last-12-Exit wrote:

Zimmerman is going to walk. Every prosecution witness except the girlfriend has been gold for the defense.

it is still early. the prosection is going to hammer zimmerman on his inconsistencies. i would not be that shocked if zimmerman ends up taking the stand before this is all over.

why did the screaming stop? if i shot someone i would be screaming for someone to call 911. that did not happen on the tapes, so that tells me that it might have been trayvon screaming prior to being shot.

i have not seen a lot of the pics, what was the blood splatter like on zimmerman? if trayvon was on top of him and zimmerman shot upwards at him, would gravity not pull the blood down on top of zimmerman? i dunno, i am just thinking out loud.

Last-12-Exit

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

Zimmerman is going to walk. Every prosecution witness except the girlfriend has been gold for the defense.

it is still early. the prosection is going to hammer zimmerman on his inconsistencies. i would not be that shocked if zimmerman ends up taking the stand before this is all over.

why did the screaming stop? if i shot someone i would be screaming for someone to call 911. that did not happen on the tapes, so that tells me that it might have been trayvon screaming prior to being shot.

i have not seen a lot of the pics, what was the blood splatter like on zimmerman? if trayvon was on top of him and zimmerman shot upwards at him, would gravity not pull the blood down on top of zimmerman? i dunno, i am just thinking out loud.

From what I've heard, read, and seen so far, the inconsistencies are very weak.I know its early and I don't know all the facts. The lead investigator said he felt Zimmerman was truthful. I'm not sure what kind of case the prosecution has left.

Guitar92player

Guitar92player wrote:

I guarantee there are still many things about the fight we don't know.

For all we know, they could have switched positions various times, Martin on top beating Zimmerman and vice versa. It's just a matter of who started it.


I am watching the trial now, and basically they are saying the wounds he received do not match how Zimmerman described it. He said his head was being beat into the ground (which is why he shot Martin), but the wound on the back of his head does not show such force was used on his head (and not enough blood). How Zimmerman described it is that his head was "about to explode." I bet it did hurt, but not as bad as he described it, and not much damage to have to pull a gun on someone.

What I said here was revealed today. Apparently there was a point when Zimmerman was on top and Martin on bottom. In the end Martin was on top, shot, then fell off.

In the end I still think it will be like the Casey Anthony trial. He'll walk because not enough evidence to convict him.
So doesn't the fact that Zimmerman was on top first show he might have instigated it? I can see the scenario of maybe Martin attacking him, Zimmerman shoved him down, but then the roles reversed.

I just don't get why Zimmerman didn't say he was neighborhood watch when he encountered Martin. That fact shows he possibly was out to try and be a cop, to which he fucked up and a kid is now dead. If Martin fought first it was probably because he fought in self-defense.

gimmesometruth27

the argument can be made that the guy "defending himself" was using his fists to fight off the guy with the gun.

why is it always assumed that the guy defending himself is doing so with a gun and not the other way around?

how many times has the initial aggressor been the one with a gun? having a gun many times makes a guy feel and act like billy badass when in actuality they are hiding behind that gun.

Godfather.

even if zimmerman walks he will always be guilty according the AMT......nobody here saw what happened or even has all the evidence but still have the notion that zimmerman is guilty,interesting.

Godfather.

ajedigecko

...if zimmerman is found innocent. LA riots will seem small.

gimmesometruth27

ajedigecko wrote:

...if zimmerman is found innocent. LA riots will seem small.

what are you implying?