Every question has an answer. That doesn't mean we can or will ever know (or understand) the answer to every question.
This has nothing to do with the "meaning of life". It has to do with logic.
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That is true... every question does have an answer... and sometimes the correct (and truthful) answer is, 'I don't know'.
We will run across people who will tell us they have the answer... but, really just mask them in bumper sticker philosophy. 'Look into your heart... there... you will find what you are looking for'. Sounds great, right? That's from a Mike Meyers movie I saw last Sunday on T.V.
But, isn't that basically what we get from religion? They aren't answers... they are fortune cookies and Hallmark Cards. Inspirational... yes. What we are looking for... nope.
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My personal take... I am out there looking for truth. For me, Truth lies within the boundaries of knowledge, not belief... understanding, not faith. I don't discount belief and faith... I just don't happen to equate them to truth, knowledge and understanding.
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Every question has an answer. That doesn't mean we can or will ever know (or understand) the answer to every question.
This has nothing to do with the "meaning of life". It has to do with logic.
...
That is true... every question does have an answer... and sometimes the correct (and truthful) answer is, 'I don't know'.
We will run across people who will tell us they have the answer... but, really just mask them in bumper sticker philosophy. 'Look into your heart... there... you will find what you are looking for'. Sounds great, right? That's from a Mike Meyers movie I saw last Sunday on T.V.
But, isn't that basically what we get from religion? They aren't answers... they are fortune cookies and Hallmark Cards. Inspirational... yes. What we are looking for... nope.
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My personal take... I am out there looking for truth. For me, Truth lies within the boundaries of knowledge, not belief... understanding, not faith. I don't discount belief and faith... I just don't happen to equate them to truth, knowledge and understanding.
Pretty much spot on
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One might not know now but that is the whole point eventually we will know ... not addressing belief nor faith but knowledge
this the logic we live and what history has shown us, in my opinion
For me, a devout atheist, it's not so much how science convinces me of God's non-existence (logically, I see no reason why the idea of a god and evolution can't co-exist... you just have to realize that the bible is man-made and edited over and over through the centuries to match the motivations of popes and kings). The main thing that turned me into an atheist is how totally ludicrous the idea of the existence of god is. I mean... an omnipotent being out there somewhere watching us all the time and making decisions on who lives and dies, and making a beetle go this way or that way? The idea that some invisible man in the sky or wherever thinks us humans are so very fucking important above every other animal on earth? Or the tonedbdown version of justbsomething out there with intelligence enough to keep everything somehow connected and to have a conscious role in the beginning of the universe... How these ideas seem even a little bit reasonable to anyone is completely beyond me.
I think you have some work to do. I moved towards atheism simply by thinking for myself and really considering all things. The more I learned of religion, its history, of the bible and all its crazy inconsistencies, and the hypocrisy maintained by all faiths (Catholicism is at the top of that heap), the less I beleived. So the answer I guess is to just learn as much as you can, take in info from all sides, and really think about how it all adds up. Also always keep in mind that ORGANIZED religion is all man made dogma. It's something that developed as a way to control populations. Jesus himselfbwas anti organized religion. If he could see the Catholic Church or any other Christian denomination today, he would be rolling over in his grave!! They are about everything he opposed in reality!!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
For me, a devout atheist, it's not so much how science convinces me of God's non-existence (logically, I see no reason why the idea of a god and evolution can't co-exist... you just have to realize that the bible is man-made and edited over and over through the centuries to match the motivations of popes and kings). The main thing that turned me into an atheist is how totally ludicrous the idea of the existence of god is. I mean... an omnipotent being out there somewhere watching us all the time and making decisions on who lives and dies, and making a beetle go this way or that way? The idea that some invisible man in the sky or wherever thinks us humans are so very fucking important above every other animal on earth? Or the tonedbdown version of justbsomething out there with intelligence enough to keep everything somehow connected and to have a conscious role in the beginning of the universe... How these ideas seem even a little bit reasonable to anyone is completely beyond me.
I think you have some work to do. I moved towards atheism simply by thinking for myself and really considering all things. The more I learned of religion, its history, of the bible and all its crazy inconsistencies, and the hypocrisy maintained by all faiths (Catholicism is at the top of that heap), the less I beleived. So the answer I guess is to just learn as much as you can, take in info from all sides, and really think about how it all adds up. Also always keep in mind that ORGANIZED religion is all man made dogma. It's something that developed as a way to control populations. Jesus himselfbwas anti organized religion. If he could see the Catholic Church or any other Christian denomination today, he would be rolling over in his grave!! They are about everything he opposed in reality!!
From what you are saying here your idea of God is only that of religion...
God and evolution co exist the theory that it can not = religion
many who believe in God know God and evolution co exist.
God is a man in the sky = religion
Bible = religion
God decides who lives and dies = religion
making a beetle go this way or that :? = religion
God keeping everything connected = religion
God created the Universe = religion
Organized religion has nothing to do with my belief in God.
For me, a devout atheist, it's not so much how science convinces me of God's non-existence (logically, I see no reason why the idea of a god and evolution can't co-exist... you just have to realize that the bible is man-made and edited over and over through the centuries to match the motivations of popes and kings). The main thing that turned me into an atheist is how totally ludicrous the idea of the existence of god is. I mean... an omnipotent being out there somewhere watching us all the time and making decisions on who lives and dies, and making a beetle go this way or that way? The idea that some invisible man in the sky or wherever thinks us humans are so very fucking important above every other animal on earth? Or the tonedbdown version of justbsomething out there with intelligence enough to keep everything somehow connected and to have a conscious role in the beginning of the universe... How these ideas seem even a little bit reasonable to anyone is completely beyond me.
I think you have some work to do. I moved towards atheism simply by thinking for myself and really considering all things. The more I learned of religion, its history, of the bible and all its crazy inconsistencies, and the hypocrisy maintained by all faiths (Catholicism is at the top of that heap), the less I beleived. So the answer I guess is to just learn as much as you can, take in info from all sides, and really think about how it all adds up. Also always keep in mind that ORGANIZED religion is all man made dogma. It's something that developed as a way to control populations. Jesus himselfbwas anti organized religion. If he could see the Catholic Church or any other Christian denomination today, he would be rolling over in his grave!! They are about everything he opposed in reality!!
From what you are saying here your idea of God is only that of religion...
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if you actually read the first paragraph it would be pretty obvious to you that that's not the case.
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but he clearly divides the two ideas, God and religion, into two seperate ideas and paragraphs. to me that gives you your answer, that no, god does not equal religion. we all know that.
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Evolution and the existence of God are NOT mutually exclusive.
Evolution IS God's plan, in my very humble O.
Good luck to you man.
i have no trouble with (a) god and evolution
the universes in their entirety cannot just BE
all these masses of hot dense matter came from some fucking where
(a) god created humanity from a single cell, but at what point were souls inserted?
once we stood upright?
maybe
once the primal needs of food and shelter were secured
then more food and better shelters
then we started thinking and thinking and thinking
curious and curiouser, we had to find something to worship
i only hope that this god knows each one of us
but this is where i get off
i'm actually a little afraid that there is no other side
but if there is we all will go, or none of us at all
I read again and still agree with my rather inebriated St. Paddy's day post
thought I can type much better now so I would explain
My post made a pretty clear distinction between the idea of God and organized religion, as the others pointed out. If you're still not reading it that way upon further consideration, sorry, but I respectfully suggest that you're just reading what you want to read from the post rather than taking in what it actually says.
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I read again and still agree with my rather inebriated St. Paddy's day post
thought I can type much better now so I would explain
My post made a pretty clear distinction between the idea of God and organized religion, as the others pointed out. If you're still not reading it that way upon further consideration, sorry, but I respectfully suggest that you're just reading what you want to read from the post rather than taking in what it actually says.
Please be so kind and patient with me and point out the difference.
Religion is referenced in both paragraphs
and mentioned a lot in connection with your lack of belief in God.
In my previous post where I quoted you and your post we are referring to
I listed the references you made and how they seemed to be pointing at man made religion
not the existence of a supreme being without any connection to religion.
I may not always interpret others correctly so perhaps you can explain it.
i'm actually a little afraid that there is no other side
but if there is we all will go, or none of us at all
I'd just like to point out that atheism and an after life are not mutually exclusive either. I see no reason why people couldn't believe in an after life without believing in God. In fact, to me an afterlife without a god seems MORE reasonable than one with a god. I don't personally believe it's likely, but I think it's at least possible that we somehow continue on consciously after death by some natural scientific process. I find that MUCH more likely than some God having anything to do with it. I don't find the idea of our souls or energy or whatever carrying on the universe totally impossible and ridiculous because energy never dies and it's conceivable (though not likely) that our consciousness is in itself an energy. And there has, i supposed, been tangible evidence suggesting that ghosts or spirits might actually exist (again, i don't personally think it likely, but nonetheless, there is still a basis to go on). I find the idea of the existence of god, however, to be totally ridiculous and totally unfounded in every way. So... I just don't get why so many people decide that god is automatically synonymous with an afterlife. Has it simply been burned into the subconscious of the human culture by now or what??
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Evolution and the existence of God are NOT mutually exclusive.
Evolution IS God's plan, in my very humble O.
Good luck to you man.
i have no trouble with (a) god and evolution
the universes in their entirety cannot just BE
all these masses of hot dense matter came from some fucking where
(a) god created humanity from a single cell, but at what point were souls inserted?
once we stood upright?
maybe
once the primal needs of food and shelter were secured
then more food and better shelters
then we started thinking and thinking and thinking
curious and curiouser, we had to find something to worship
i only hope that this god knows each one of us
but this is where i get off
i'm actually a little afraid that there is no other side
but if there is we all will go, or none of us at all
This reads as a lovely philosophy and very much how I feel about God and the path we are on.
Thanks for sharing.
i'm actually a little afraid that there is no other side
but if there is we all will go, or none of us at all
I'd just like to point out that atheism and an after life are not mutually exclusive either. I see no reason why people couldn't believe in an after life without believing in God. In fact, to me an afterlife without a god seems MORE reasonable than one with a god. I don't personally believe it's likely, but I think it's at least possible that we somehow continue on consciously after death by some natural scientific process. I find that MUCH more likely than some God having anything to do with it. I don't find the idea of our souls or energy or whatever carrying on the universe totally impossible and ridiculous because energy never dies and it's conceivable (though not likely) that our consciousness is in itself an energy. And there has, i supposed, been tangible evidence suggesting that ghosts or spirits might actually exist (again, i don't personally think it likely, but nonetheless, there is still a basis to go on). I find the idea of the existence of god, however, to be totally ridiculous and totally unfounded in every way. So... I just don't get why so many people decide that god is automatically synonymous with an afterlife. Has it simply been burned into the subconscious of the human culture by now or what??
Pandora. This is for you. sorry, I've got a St paddy's day hangover from hell, so I do not have the patience to interpret my post to you. I think it is clear enough, and, again, you are just seeing what you want to see. Let me simply guarantee you that I know the possible differences between god and religion, and also the reasons most people actually do not distinguish the two as much as they like to believe they do, and that includes you. If you think the entire idea of god can simply be some random, non-conscious ineffable thing that connects all things, you actually don't believe in god. You've grasped onto something else and named it god. It's like me just believing in science and natural processes and calling that power god. It just doesn't work that way (i mean, do whatbyou want, bjt it's not gonna flyv in conversations about theism vs atheism. I'm sure you're smart, but trust me, you don't have the market cornered on understanding.the sense of connection in the world. We all do really get what you're trying to say all the time. Many of us just don't agree with the viewpoint or way you've decided to define your "God" in relation to the conversations you tend to participate in. You're often putting forth this "god isn't religion" argument, and I don't personally think you ever make a very good point with it).As for the following, enjoy both clips! I have no clue if you love Jesus or if Jesus is a non-factor form you, but I still thought of these when I read your posts, and I think you make about as much sense as the first video. I warn you notbto get involved in the YouTube posts on these though. Your head might explode.
i'm actually a little afraid that there is no other side
but if there is we all will go, or none of us at all
I'd just like to point out that atheism and an after life are not mutually exclusive either. I see no reason why people couldn't believe in an after life without believing in God. In fact, to me an afterlife without a god seems MORE reasonable than one with a god. I don't personally believe it's likely, but I think it's at least possible that we somehow continue on consciously after death by some natural scientific process. I find that MUCH more likely than some God having anything to do with it. I don't find the idea of our souls or energy or whatever carrying on the universe totally impossible and ridiculous because energy never dies and it's conceivable (though not likely) that our consciousness is in itself an energy. And there has, i supposed, been tangible evidence suggesting that ghosts or spirits might actually exist (again, i don't personally think it likely, but nonetheless, there is still a basis to go on). I find the idea of the existence of god, however, to be totally ridiculous and totally unfounded in every way. So... I just don't get why so many people decide that god is automatically synonymous with an afterlife. Has it simply been burned into the subconscious of the human culture by now or what??
And our energy living on... could that be God?
No. Please find a dictionary, look up God. Then find a grade 8 science textbook and read up on the nature of energy.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Pandora. This is for you. sorry, I've got a St paddy's day hangover from hell, so I do not have the patience to interpret my post to you. I think it is clear enough, and, again, you are just seeing what you want to see. Let me simply guarantee you that I know the possible differences between god and religion, and also the reasons most people actually do not distinguish the two as much as they like to believe they do, and that includes you. If you think the entire idea of god can simply be some random, non-conscious ineffable thing that connects all things, you actually don't believe in god. You've grasped onto something else and named it god. It's like me just believing in science and natural processes and calling that power god. It just doesn't work that way (i mean, do whatbyou want, bjt it's not gonna flyv in conversations about theism vs atheism. I'm sure you're smart, but trust me, you don't have the market cornered on understanding.the sense of connection in the world. We all do really get what you're trying to say all the time. Many of us just don't agree with the viewpoint or way you've decided to define your "God" in relation to the conversations you tend to participate in. You're often putting forth this "god isn't religion" argument, and I don't personally think you ever make a very good point with it).As for the following, enjoy both clips! I have no clue if you love Jesus or if Jesus is a non-factor form you, but I still thought of these when I read your posts, and I think you make about as much sense as the first video. I warn you notbto get involved in the YouTube posts on these though. Your head might explode.
Sorry you have a hangover... makes ya a little cranky I see
a lot of words and surely time and energy to even look up the youtubes when you could
have just explained the differences as you see it....
instead of trying to put down what I believe and share.
Ho hum that is very transparent.
I know nothing ... zip about religion ...
so I can not tie my belief in a supreme being to any man made religion.
I think using the word God TO YOU means that it is tied to religion.
I do not feel this way.
I have not grasped on to anything I have been shown in my life experiences,
it is from these that my beliefs have changed.
This from being an atheist to that of a believer. It is from these that I know God.
Your life experiences have not shown or taught you God perhaps because you will not allow that.
Its very obvious you tie God and religion together for yourself personally
though you will not admit that I guess.
God isn't religion is not only for me it is for many... a growing feeling of those
who have found the same through their experiences. I am certainly not alone.
No. Please find a dictionary, look up God. Then find a grade 8 science textbook and read up on the nature of energy.
Please smell the roses get your nose out of the dictionary and feel some
of life's definitions ... ya just might meet God
I can feel your energy/vibe
:roll: no, you can't. You have no idea who I am, and I feel it all thank you very much. Smell the roses? What are you talking about? What lead you to think I might not savour life? Just a random idea, or...? The connections you make don't always make much sense. I just love how you think that just beause I don't agree with you that I don't feel "life's definitions", wtf, could you be more insulting and condescending?? You don't feel.more than me. You just seem to think your perceptions are somehow more special than mine. Kind of self involved isn't it?
Again, I get it. I get the distinction between god and religion (AND the lack thereof). You make a lot of random assumptions and ignore what you feel like ignoring. I'm starting to realize it's kind of pointless discussing this kind of issue with you, because nothing gets through to you unless you conveniently select it to get through. Sorry if you're not aware that you do this... but I think it's glaringly obvious.
Anyway, glad everyone but you got my original drift!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have put you on foe...
your last words to me I quote you....
"STAY AWAY FROM ME I MEAN IT!"
Perhaps you could heed those words and do the same for me, put me on foe also.
Thanks ... appreciated
this should avoid future troubles
1) then how did you see what I wrote?
2) oh, and quoting a pm is against posting guidelines.
3) you want to ignore my question, fine. take personal stuff to pm's, again, against posting guidelines.
4) I can't even repeat what you said to me that made me say that to you. it was vile and evil.
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:roll: no, you can't. You have no idea who I am, and I feel it all thank you very much. Smell the roses? What are you talking about? What lead you to think I might not savour life? Just a random idea, or...? The connections you make don't always make much sense. I just love how you think that just beause I don't agree with you that I don't feel "life's definitions", wtf, could you be more insulting and condescending?? You don't feel.more than me. You just seem to think your perceptions are somehow more special than mine. Kind of self involved isn't it?
Again, I get it. I get the distinction between god and religion (AND the lack thereof). You make a lot of random assumptions and ignore what you feel like ignoring. I'm starting to realize it's kind of pointless discussing this kind of issue with you, because nothing gets through to you unless you conveniently select it to get through. Sorry if you're not aware that you do this... but I think it's glaringly obvious.
Anyway, glad everyone but you got my original drift!
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This thread has derailed a little bit and turned into another debate...binauralsounds182, any updates? Need any help with research or anything like that?
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No. Please find a dictionary, look up God. Then find a grade 8 science textbook and read up on the nature of
:roll: no, you can't. You have no idea who I am, and I feel it all thank you very much. Smell the roses? What are you talking about? What lead you to think I might not savour life? Just a random idea, or...? The connections you make don't always make much sense. I just love how you think that just beause I don't agree with you that I don't feel "life's definitions", wtf, could you be more insulting and condescending?? You don't feel.more than me. You just seem to think your perceptions are somehow more special than mine. Kind of self involved isn't it?
Again, I get it. I get the distinction between god and religion (AND the lack thereof). You make a lot of random assumptions and ignore what you feel like ignoring. I'm starting to realize it's kind of pointless discussing this kind of issue with you, because nothing gets through to you unless you conveniently select it to get through. Sorry if you're not aware that you do this... but I think it's glaringly obvious.
Anyway, glad everyone but you got my original drift!
I do feel I got your drift from the start, and your subsequent posts seem to back that up.
Hangover or not quite rude...
is this due to the fact I do not agree with you?
The vibe thing can not be ignored though you might choose to ignore that.
It is a huge part of God and who we are.
Ignoring others posts and choosing to not see it their way I see something you do also. :?
Mentioning the dictionary and 8th grade text, which of coursewas rude and condescending...
I mention something much deeper than that.
This the energy/vibe I am speaking of, the connection and gift we all possess.
We will agree to disagree
you are an atheist, I am a former atheist you believes in God ... not religion.
We can remember this in the future and know we will not sway each other in our core belief
This thread has derailed a little bit and turned into another debate...binauralsounds182, any updates? Need any help with research or anything like that?
Actually we are debating the topic, God existing outside religion is very much apart of
Atheism and Theism and effects many who wish to keep God close but reject organized religion
because the fit is not good.
Pretty sure this is what the OP is questioning and looking for some resolution....
they are definitely not alone.
This thread has derailed a little bit and turned into another debate...binauralsounds182, any updates? Need any help with research or anything like that?
Actually we are debating the topic, God existing outside religion is very much apart of
Atheism and Theism and effects many who wish to keep God close but reject organized religion
because the fit is not good.
Pretty sure this is what the OP is questioning and looking for some resolution....
they are definitely not alone.
"Religion" and "organized religion" are two different things. God has to be connected to religion. But not necessarily to organized religion.
Anyway, one thing me and this person agree on: people debating God or lack thereof is very relevant to this topic - everything said can be yet more info for the OP to consider.
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That is true... every question does have an answer... and sometimes the correct (and truthful) answer is, 'I don't know'.
We will run across people who will tell us they have the answer... but, really just mask them in bumper sticker philosophy. 'Look into your heart... there... you will find what you are looking for'. Sounds great, right? That's from a Mike Meyers movie I saw last Sunday on T.V.
But, isn't that basically what we get from religion? They aren't answers... they are fortune cookies and Hallmark Cards. Inspirational... yes. What we are looking for... nope.
...
My personal take... I am out there looking for truth. For me, Truth lies within the boundaries of knowledge, not belief... understanding, not faith. I don't discount belief and faith... I just don't happen to equate them to truth, knowledge and understanding.
Hail, Hail!!!
I thought you believed that logic is irrelevant in the context of god?
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Pretty much spot on
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eventually we will know ... not addressing belief nor faith but knowledge
this the logic we live and what history has shown us, in my opinion
I think you have some work to do. I moved towards atheism simply by thinking for myself and really considering all things. The more I learned of religion, its history, of the bible and all its crazy inconsistencies, and the hypocrisy maintained by all faiths (Catholicism is at the top of that heap), the less I beleived. So the answer I guess is to just learn as much as you can, take in info from all sides, and really think about how it all adds up. Also always keep in mind that ORGANIZED religion is all man made dogma. It's something that developed as a way to control populations. Jesus himselfbwas anti organized religion. If he could see the Catholic Church or any other Christian denomination today, he would be rolling over in his grave!! They are about everything he opposed in reality!!
God and evolution co exist the theory that it can not = religion
many who believe in God know God and evolution co exist.
God is a man in the sky = religion
Bible = religion
God decides who lives and dies = religion
making a beetle go this way or that :? = religion
God keeping everything connected = religion
God created the Universe = religion
Organized religion has nothing to do with my belief in God.
if you actually read the first paragraph it would be pretty obvious to you that that's not the case.
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I read again and still agree with my rather inebriated St. Paddy's day post
thought I can type much better now so I would explain
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i have no trouble with (a) god and evolution
the universes in their entirety cannot just BE
all these masses of hot dense matter came from some fucking where
(a) god created humanity from a single cell, but at what point were souls inserted?
once we stood upright?
maybe
once the primal needs of food and shelter were secured
then more food and better shelters
then we started thinking and thinking and thinking
curious and curiouser, we had to find something to worship
i only hope that this god knows each one of us
but this is where i get off
i'm actually a little afraid that there is no other side
but if there is we all will go, or none of us at all
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
My post made a pretty clear distinction between the idea of God and organized religion, as the others pointed out. If you're still not reading it that way upon further consideration, sorry, but I respectfully suggest that you're just reading what you want to read from the post rather than taking in what it actually says.
if all of those things in your opinion are strictly religious beliefs, what is his role in the lives of humans/Earth/all living things?
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Religion is referenced in both paragraphs
and mentioned a lot in connection with your lack of belief in God.
In my previous post where I quoted you and your post we are referring to
I listed the references you made and how they seemed to be pointing at man made religion
not the existence of a supreme being without any connection to religion.
I may not always interpret others correctly so perhaps you can explain it.
your last words to me I quote you....
"STAY AWAY FROM ME I MEAN IT!"
Perhaps you could heed those words and do the same for me, put me on foe also.
Thanks ... appreciated
this should avoid future troubles
I'd just like to point out that atheism and an after life are not mutually exclusive either. I see no reason why people couldn't believe in an after life without believing in God. In fact, to me an afterlife without a god seems MORE reasonable than one with a god. I don't personally believe it's likely, but I think it's at least possible that we somehow continue on consciously after death by some natural scientific process. I find that MUCH more likely than some God having anything to do with it. I don't find the idea of our souls or energy or whatever carrying on the universe totally impossible and ridiculous because energy never dies and it's conceivable (though not likely) that our consciousness is in itself an energy. And there has, i supposed, been tangible evidence suggesting that ghosts or spirits might actually exist (again, i don't personally think it likely, but nonetheless, there is still a basis to go on). I find the idea of the existence of god, however, to be totally ridiculous and totally unfounded in every way. So... I just don't get why so many people decide that god is automatically synonymous with an afterlife. Has it simply been burned into the subconscious of the human culture by now or what??
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No. Please find a dictionary, look up God. Then find a grade 8 science textbook and read up on the nature of energy.
a lot of words and surely time and energy to even look up the youtubes when you could
have just explained the differences as you see it....
instead of trying to put down what I believe and share.
Ho hum that is very transparent.
I know nothing ... zip about religion ...
so I can not tie my belief in a supreme being to any man made religion.
I think using the word God TO YOU means that it is tied to religion.
I do not feel this way.
I have not grasped on to anything I have been shown in my life experiences,
it is from these that my beliefs have changed.
This from being an atheist to that of a believer. It is from these that I know God.
Your life experiences have not shown or taught you God perhaps because you will not allow that.
Its very obvious you tie God and religion together for yourself personally
though you will not admit that I guess.
God isn't religion is not only for me it is for many... a growing feeling of those
who have found the same through their experiences. I am certainly not alone.
I am not Christian but I do celebrate Christmas
of life's definitions ... ya just might meet God
I can feel your energy/vibe
:roll: no, you can't. You have no idea who I am, and I feel it all thank you very much. Smell the roses? What are you talking about? What lead you to think I might not savour life? Just a random idea, or...? The connections you make don't always make much sense. I just love how you think that just beause I don't agree with you that I don't feel "life's definitions", wtf, could you be more insulting and condescending?? You don't feel.more than me. You just seem to think your perceptions are somehow more special than mine. Kind of self involved isn't it?
Again, I get it. I get the distinction between god and religion (AND the lack thereof). You make a lot of random assumptions and ignore what you feel like ignoring. I'm starting to realize it's kind of pointless discussing this kind of issue with you, because nothing gets through to you unless you conveniently select it to get through. Sorry if you're not aware that you do this... but I think it's glaringly obvious.
Anyway, glad everyone but you got my original drift!
1) then how did you see what I wrote?
2) oh, and quoting a pm is against posting guidelines.
3) you want to ignore my question, fine. take personal stuff to pm's, again, against posting guidelines.
4) I can't even repeat what you said to me that made me say that to you. it was vile and evil.
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I do feel I got your drift from the start, and your subsequent posts seem to back that up.
Hangover or not quite rude...
is this due to the fact I do not agree with you?
The vibe thing can not be ignored though you might choose to ignore that.
It is a huge part of God and who we are.
Ignoring others posts and choosing to not see it their way I see something you do also. :?
Mentioning the dictionary and 8th grade text, which of course was rude and condescending...
I mention something much deeper than that.
This the energy/vibe I am speaking of, the connection and gift we all possess.
We will agree to disagree
you are an atheist, I am a former atheist you believes in God ... not religion.
We can remember this in the future and know we will not sway each other in our
core belief
Atheism and Theism and effects many who wish to keep God close but reject organized religion
because the fit is not good.
Pretty sure this is what the OP is questioning and looking for some resolution....
they are definitely not alone.
"Religion" and "organized religion" are two different things. God has to be connected to religion. But not necessarily to organized religion.
Anyway, one thing me and this person agree on: people debating God or lack thereof is very relevant to this topic - everything said can be yet more info for the OP to consider.
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