I read the OP's article ... short and sweet and to the point and gave my opinion was still hoping gimme would explain his though I was interested as always in his opinion
this is how I feel right now... dont EVER FKING come find me EVER EVER AGAIN to help your solve problems... you all dont listen anyway, so whats the use?
Every person on the damn planet knows this pipeline and tar sands are the final death knell to the planet, I curse you and your families for an eternity to sit in your hells you created with no chance of ever leaving... :twisted:
Im serious..the octopus of hell is yours.
we have forsaken the gods of nature and peace in order to worship the evils of greed ...
its the sad truth
I had to go back to sleep.... tired of everyone's chit AND if I saw that below in the state I was in
I would have thrown my laptop in the fkin garbage ...........................................
"but it will create jobs though... goody goody gumdrops!"
maybe i'm reading the end of that article wrong, but doesn't it say at the end that the discount in gas that the Midwest sees will be going away by the end of the year even without a pipeline because a northbound pipeline from Houston will be reversed to ease the bottleneck? If that's the case, then you can't really blame a new pipeline for the end of the discounted price.
maybe i'm reading the end of that article wrong, but doesn't it say at the end that the discount in gas that the Midwest sees will be going away by the end of the year even without a pipeline because a northbound pipeline from Houston will be reversed to ease the bottleneck? If that's the case, then you can't really blame a new pipeline for the end of the discounted price.
Speculators and whore oil is gonna raise the gas prices, doesnt matter .... f****not going to create jobs and if they do its for the few pipeliners that work the trade....
so
if this a ploy to get Lucy Lawless to hang suspended over Texas refineries in protest its not going to happen
I read the OP's article ... short and sweet and to the point and gave my opinion was still hoping gimme would explain his though I was interested as always in his opinion
you replied directly to me in this thread and are always interested in gimme's opinion....gimme posted the article and I mentioned it twice, so..... who is on foe and how did it prevent you from reading the article? :?
Talk about confirmation bias..... you mention the 'short and sweet' fox news article, posted by a friend....while dodging/continuing to ignore (or being too lazy to read) the comments and articles that don't fit your agenda. Sounds about right.
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Here's a fitting song (give it a listen- it's only a minute-nine!) for those of you who could use an antidote to despair to this very possible disaster-of-Titanic-portions:
this pipeline will create jobs that is a positive I see that as a very good thing
so does war. is war a good thing too because it creates jobs? before you accuse me of derailing the thread, my point is that you can't say it's a positive on the single notion that it creates jobs. that's very short sighted.
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this pipeline will create jobs that is a positive I see that as a very good thing
so does war. is war a good thing too because it creates jobs? before you accuse me of derailing the thread, my point is that you can't say it's a positive on the single notion that it creates jobs. that's very short sighted.
Excellent point, Hugh.
It seems that every time the issue of oil pipe lines comes up the standard (and oft' repeated) response is- jobs. Of course most people need and want jobs. But if nobody did the bloody and destructive jobs of war and oil I guarantee other jobs would be created. Maybe even jobs that would create more peace, less environmental degradation to the planet, more goodwill, more health, more happiness in the world while at the same time providing the person doing the work with a reasonably comfortable and secure life . But maybe I don't understand what the purpose of a "job" is.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
i believe full on with environmental friendship with the raw earth. no roads. no more cities. no more erecting steel and glass jungles. get the fuck off of me.
don't you believe we have enough oil wells, pipelines and refineries? have any of you even ever been inside the bowels of a refinery? no you have not. it is fucked believe that. i do not know how they can work there and breathe at the same fucking time. work or breathe? me personally, i'll elect breathing everytime. for some reason i enjoy fresh clean air and a breeze of freshness and really clean oxygen.
when the refinery off southern L.A. fucks up who is gonna be screwed? southern California, Mexico, and so on.
i delivered pipe to this refinery by way of my 18 wheeler and using a flat bed trailer. it stunk and i couldn't breathe like i would outside the cluserfuck of pipe, boilers, exchange bubblers, input adaptors, and singular fueled enhancers that break down the molecular weight of a positive and negative changed atoms
Agreed. Most infrastructure projects are like that. Building new refineries in Canada will create long-term jobs and that is where the focus should be.
I agree that Alberta should refine oil and let the eastern (southern?) bastards freeze in the dark
Seriously tho...we should have had that infrastructure here a couple decades ago....
I'm not the type to think we can just jump from oil to renewable resources overnight...in the meantime, there will need to be some expansion to oil infrastructure. But I think these pipelines are more about getting refined oil to the gulf coast (and to a tax free port), than they are about any kind of benefit to average Canadians or Americans (as evidenced by the article gimme posted - think I posted something similar in the keystone thread). That means that when agreeing to these projects, it shouldn't just be lip service to minimizing environmental damage....we need to recognize that we have a problem, environmentally and economically...and develop a plan to ween ourselves off of oil. This prob won't happen until the government removes oil subsidies, and effectively transfers them to green industry. Which, of course, won’t happen until we get the Oil lobby out of our governments. Which wont happen until there is a massive overhaul of the entire political structure. Which won’t happen until there is full-scale revolution. Yup, we’re fucked!
A full-scale revolution is not possible in a large country that is divided as the USA.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I read the OP's article ... short and sweet and to the point and gave my opinion was still hoping gimme would explain his though I was interested as always in his opinion
They say when a ship goes down there is a terrible noise. Can you hear it?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I would have thrown my laptop in the fkin garbage ...........................................
"but it will create jobs though... goody goody gumdrops!"
its a chorus of" fuck *
I'm laughing fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking crying at the same time.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
maybe i'm reading the end of that article wrong, but doesn't it say at the end that the discount in gas that the Midwest sees will be going away by the end of the year even without a pipeline because a northbound pipeline from Houston will be reversed to ease the bottleneck? If that's the case, then you can't really blame a new pipeline for the end of the discounted price.
I tell you when i see the world I dont know whether to laugh or cry.
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if this a ploy to get Lucy Lawless to hang suspended over Texas refineries in protest its not going to happen
Talk about confirmation bias..... you mention the 'short and sweet' fox news article, posted by a friend....while dodging/continuing to ignore (or being too lazy to read) the comments and articles that don't fit your agenda. Sounds about right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6geVEciAP9w
Mutiny In Jonestown
Cast off
Me in these ropes
I'm one knot
Tangled in the heap
I know it's paradox
With my dreams
I know it's paradox
With my dreams
The ship's creaking
Taking on bullshit
I fucking scream
Jump ship!
-Minutemen
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
" I aint got no time to mess around"
Yeah, I love that band!
Don't mean to hijack the thread, just trying to find a little peace of mind. I'm outta here for a while.
Peace, all.... and good luck.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
so does war. is war a good thing too because it creates jobs? before you accuse me of derailing the thread, my point is that you can't say it's a positive on the single notion that it creates jobs. that's very short sighted.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Excellent point, Hugh.
It seems that every time the issue of oil pipe lines comes up the standard (and oft' repeated) response is- jobs. Of course most people need and want jobs. But if nobody did the bloody and destructive jobs of war and oil I guarantee other jobs would be created. Maybe even jobs that would create more peace, less environmental degradation to the planet, more goodwill, more health, more happiness in the world while at the same time providing the person doing the work with a reasonably comfortable and secure life . But maybe I don't understand what the purpose of a "job" is.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
don't you believe we have enough oil wells, pipelines and refineries? have any of you even ever been inside the bowels of a refinery? no you have not. it is fucked believe that. i do not know how they can work there and breathe at the same fucking time. work or breathe? me personally, i'll elect breathing everytime. for some reason i enjoy fresh clean air and a breeze of freshness and really clean oxygen.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/unite ... es_map.jpg
i delivered pipe to this refinery by way of my 18 wheeler and using a flat bed trailer. it stunk and i couldn't breathe like i would outside the cluserfuck of pipe, boilers, exchange bubblers, input adaptors, and singular fueled enhancers that break down the molecular weight of a positive and negative changed atoms
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
:shock: Fuck me! I mean, fuck us.... I mean, FUCK!
I'm gonna get it trouble. I'm going to my corner.
bye
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I made the joke even the chorus of F... was heard and sung down in AET cage. Im in the mood for "People have the Power"
a spirit of a revolution though can turn into war because of the backlash of people who dont like change
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Didn't they just announce a reduction in staff over the next few years?
and yes I heard that was announced... cutting personnel ... troops