shorter pipe line is a go !

Godfather.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02 ... e-project/



Godfather.

SweetChildofMine

great, im moving farther into the woods to become a bigger troll ...the world can f off... I hope you all drown in your sewage or blow up

any human that comes near my shack is getting a 12 gauge up the keister...excuse me I have water to pump

chadwick

why doesn't canada get the fuck out of here? that's all we need is more and more oil pipelines. i hope they erect one in D.C and then i hope it ruptures.

wait, i know... let's install deep sea drilling kits up and down the coast. this will solve everything.

SweetChildofMine

this is how I feel right now... dont EVER FKING come find me EVER EVER AGAIN to help your solve problems... you all dont listen anyway, so whats the use?

Every person on the damn planet knows this pipeline and tar sands are the final death knell to the planet, I curse you and your families for an eternity to sit in your hells you created with no chance of ever leaving... :twisted:

Im serious..the octopus of hell is yours.

polaris_x

SweetChildofMine wrote:

this is how I feel right now... dont EVER FKING come find me EVER EVER AGAIN to help your solve problems... you all dont listen anyway, so whats the use?

Every person on the damn planet knows this pipeline and tar sands are the final death knell to the planet, I curse you and your families for an eternity to sit in your hells you created with no chance of ever leaving... :twisted:

Im serious..the octopus of hell is yours.

we have forsaken the gods of nature and peace in order to worship the evils of greed ...

pandora

One big country we'll be when we grow up ...

great though new jobs that is a blessing

chadwick

pandora wrote:

One big country we'll be when we grow up ...

great though new jobs that is a blessing

the new jobs you speak of are for the ignorant and greedy.

chadwick

polaris_x wrote:

SweetChildofMine wrote:

this is how I feel right now... dont EVER FKING come find me EVER EVER AGAIN to help your solve problems... you all dont listen anyway, so whats the use?

Every person on the damn planet knows this pipeline and tar sands are the final death knell to the planet, I curse you and your families for an eternity to sit in your hells you created with no chance of ever leaving... :twisted:

Im serious..the octopus of hell is yours.

we have forsaken the gods of nature and peace in order to worship the evils of greed ...

love both of these posts.

maj4e

The answer isn't more oil or "our oil" it's use less of it. People let convenience and $ get in their way of self preservation.

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

One big country we'll be when we grow up ...

great though new jobs that is a blessing

the new jobs you speak of are for the ignorant and greedy.

not all ...

some Joe Schmoes in need... indeed

Saw a great piece on 60 minutes regarding the longterm unemployed 2+ years
they are the new class discriminated against.
There was a funded help program to aid this particular study group...
it was heartbreaking and uplifting all at once, some got jobs!
We need to get our folks back to work!!

I am all for this pipeline helping to do just that...

gimmesometruth27

golden rule is 2 industries always get what they want. the oil industry and the military/defense industry.

chadwick

pandora wrote:

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

One big country we'll be when we grow up ...

great though new jobs that is a blessing

the new jobs you speak of are for the ignorant and greedy.

not all ...

some Joe Schmoes in need... indeed

Saw a great piece on 60 minutes regarding the longterm unemployed 2+ years
they are the new class discriminated against.
There was a funded help program to aid this particular study group...
it was heartbreaking and uplifting all at once, some got jobs!
We need to get our folks back to work!!

I am all for this pipeline helping to do just that...

you are fulla shit, pandora.

first of all if someone is unemplyeed for several years at a time it is because they elect to live that way.

if someone has a strong work ethic they are not unemployeed for 24 months strait. this is a fact. you work and you work from the bottom up.

i know people who land job after job because they can and do. they get hired and work there awhile then find something else to do, they throw job offers away because they are only one person. some make 40 bucks an hour. some are welders some are office workers.

some may have to relocate to get work.

truck drivers are busy. factory folks are busy. everyone is busy except those who don't wanna work.

if you have a fantastic work record you are hired anywhere doing anything.

this is how see it.

your oil pipeline will fuck shit up and then all your lil deer and frogs and rabbits and birds and fish will be death. but you are the type that believe in oil drilling...and in oilsands or watever it is. you should research oilsands and the lands they wanna work on. are you for drilling new big wells in Alaska & Canada where the caribu are?

oh yes it means jobs, i forgot

Jason P

This doesn't appear to be related to the tar sands.

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

chadwick wrote:

the new jobs you speak of are for the ignorant and greedy.

not all ...

some Joe Schmoes in need... indeed

Saw a great piece on 60 minutes regarding the longterm unemployed 2+ years
they are the new class discriminated against.
There was a funded help program to aid this particular study group...
it was heartbreaking and uplifting all at once, some got jobs!
We need to get our folks back to work!!

I am all for this pipeline helping to do just that...

you are fulla shit, pandora.

first of all if someone is unemplyeed for several years at a time it is because they elect to live that way.

if someone has a strong work ethic they are not unemployeed for 24 months strait. this is a fact. you work and you work from the bottom up.

i know people who land job after job because they can and do. they get hired and work there awhile then find something else to do, they throw job offers away because they are only one person. some make 40 bucks an hour. some are welders some are office workers.

some may have to relocate to get work.

truck drivers are busy. factory folks are busy. everyone is busy except those who don't wanna work.

if you have a fantastic work record you are hired anywhere doing anything.

this is how see it.

your oil pipeline will fuck shit up and then all your lil deer and frogs and rabbits and birds and fish will be death. but you are the type that believe in oil drilling...and in oilsands or watever it is. you should research oilsands and the lands they wanna work on. are you for drilling new big wells in Alaska & Canada where the caribu are?

oh yes it means jobs, i forgot

no need to be rude Chadwick

you may be out of touch with those unemployed I fear it is not by choice for everyone
nor has everyone who has had an educated profession been able to go back to it


this pipeline will create jobs that is a positive I see that as a very good thing

Drowned Out

Pipelines create very few permanent jobs.

gimmesometruth27

looks like we might be stepping on our collective ding dong....... again...

Why the Keystone pipeline would boost pump prices

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... ump-prices

Rising gasoline prices have helped proponents of a controversial pipeline proposal press their case that the project would help ease supply bottlenecks and lower prices for consumers.

They’re half right.

The proposed pipeline would relieve a glut of crude oil backing up in the Midwest and redirect those barrels to Gulf of Mexico ports. From there they could be shipped to world markets and repriced at higher global prices.

But that likely would mean higher prices for drivers in the nation's midsection, who currently are enjoying an unusual discount stemming from a lack of pipeline capacity.

On Monday, TransCanada Corp., the company that wants to build the pipeline, said it would start construction of a southern leg while it tries to satisfy environmental concerns raised by the Obama administration that have blocked the longer northern leg.

Oil prices around the world have been rising steadily since October largely because of tightening sanctions on Iran being imposed by the U.S. and European countries over its suspected development of nuclear weapons.

"Basically, we're locked into what appears to be an end game with Iran in some form or another,” sad Dan Yergin, chairman of Cambridge Energy Research Associates. “The sanctions really start to kick in over the next several months, and the whole aim is to choke off Iran's oil revenues and that means choke off its exports."

The result is that pump prices have jumped 20 cents a gallon in the past month alone, according to data from the Energy Information Administration, and Republicans are beginning to use the energy inflation as a political talking point.

But the pain has been inflicted unevenly across the country, with consumers on the coasts paying much higher prices than those in the Midwest and Rocky Mountain regions, where supplies of oil are plentiful.

One reason crude is so plentiful in the Midwest is that new production technologies have boosted production in oilfields that were once thought to be exhausted or too costly to develop. After two decades of steady decline, total U.S. oil production began rising again in 2009, according to the EIA. Increased production from Canadian tar sands fields also has boosted Midwest supplies.

But as domestic and Canadian production have risen, pipeline bottlenecks have cropped up – especially over the 500 miles from Cushing, Okla., to Houston, the nation’s largest oil shipping port and home to about half its refining capacity.

“We lack infrastructure to catch up with the fact that there's been this big change in oil production,” said Yergin. “Eight years ago, North Dakota was not the fourth-largest oil producing state in the country. So we need new pipelines, and the lack of those pipelines -- the lack of catching up -- is reflected in the disparity (in prices).”

Until last year, the benchmark price of U.S. crude based on Cushing delivery, known as West Texas Intermediate, closely tracked the global benchmark, called Brent North Sea.

But in the past year, as rising supplies of captive Midwest supplies depressed prices, the gap widened to once-unimaginable levels. By last fall, the discount for West Texas Intermediate had widened to as much as $30 a barrel before shrinking back to about half as much.

All of which has helped oil refiners in the Midwest keep pump prices lower than on the coasts, where refiners pay the higher Brent price, regardless of where the oil came from.

The regional difference in pump prices has been substantial. At the end of last month, the average price for a gallon of gasoline in the Rockies was 41 cents below the U.S. average -- the biggest gap since the Energy Department began tracking regional prices in 1992.

That’s where the Keystone pipeline comes in. Proponents of the pipeline have argued it will help wean the U.S. off foreign imports and lower pump prices. But rather than pushing Gulf Coast prices lower, it will let oil producers charge more for their crude.

TransCanada Corp. estimates the pipeline would boost sales of Canadian-produced crude by $2 billion to $4 billion a year, according to an assessment submitted to Canada's National Energy Board.

“The prices for those crudes in North Dakota and Canada will fetch closer to Gulf Coast prices, which are tied into the higher international market price,” said Tim Hess, an Energy Department analyst.

The reason is fairly simple. Even at maximum capacity, the Keystone line will move some 400,000 barrels per day of crude from Canada and the Midwest to global oil market. With the transportation discount removed, those barrels likely will be repriced to the higher global benchmark.

And with or without the Keystone pipeline, the “Midwest discount” that consumers now enjoy may go away later this year.

To help alleviate the Cushing bottleneck, the owner of a pipeline that now flows north from Houston plans to reverse the flow in June.

In a recent research report, analysts at Goldman Sachs predict the reversal of Enterprise Products' Seaway pipeline will help cut the spread between the price of U.S. and Brent crude to $5 a barrel in six months.

Jason P

Drowned Out wrote:

Pipelines create very few permanent jobs.

Agreed. Most infrastructure projects are like that. Building new refineries in Canada will create long-term jobs and that is where the focus should be.

pandora

I think the roads here too not permanent jobs that the President has created

Drowned Out

pandora wrote:

I think the roads here too not permanent jobs that the President has created

Is that on topic?

chadwick

pandora wrote:

no need to be rude Chadwick

you may be out of touch with those unemployed I fear it is not by choice for everyone
nor has everyone who has had an educated profession been able to go back to it


this pipeline will create jobs that is a positive I see that as a very good thing

rude shmood. i am fed up with people like you who support more oil wells, refineries, and more pipelines. why aren't you in the gulf of mexico sittin on your ass scratchin yourself in the sun whilst your poor ol' hubby drill baby drill?

you are not an environmentalist

pandora

Drowned Out wrote:

pandora wrote:

I think the roads here too not permanent jobs that the President has created

Is that on topic?

its about jobs I believe which is why I support the pipeline :thumbup: