shorter pipe line is a go !
Godfather.
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any human that comes near my shack is getting a 12 gauge up the keister...excuse me I have water to pump
wait, i know... let's install deep sea drilling kits up and down the coast. this will solve everything.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Every person on the damn planet knows this pipeline and tar sands are the final death knell to the planet, I curse you and your families for an eternity to sit in your hells you created with no chance of ever leaving... :twisted:
Im serious..the octopus of hell is yours.
we have forsaken the gods of nature and peace in order to worship the evils of greed ...
great though new jobs that is a blessing
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
some Joe Schmoes in need... indeed
Saw a great piece on 60 minutes regarding the longterm unemployed 2+ years
they are the new class discriminated against.
There was a funded help program to aid this particular study group...
it was heartbreaking and uplifting all at once, some got jobs!
We need to get our folks back to work!!
I am all for this pipeline helping to do just that...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
first of all if someone is unemplyeed for several years at a time it is because they elect to live that way.
if someone has a strong work ethic they are not unemployeed for 24 months strait. this is a fact. you work and you work from the bottom up.
i know people who land job after job because they can and do. they get hired and work there awhile then find something else to do, they throw job offers away because they are only one person. some make 40 bucks an hour. some are welders some are office workers.
some may have to relocate to get work.
truck drivers are busy. factory folks are busy. everyone is busy except those who don't wanna work.
if you have a fantastic work record you are hired anywhere doing anything.
this is how see it.
your oil pipeline will fuck shit up and then all your lil deer and frogs and rabbits and birds and fish will be death. but you are the type that believe in oil drilling...and in oilsands or watever it is. you should research oilsands and the lands they wanna work on. are you for drilling new big wells in Alaska & Canada where the caribu are?
oh yes it means jobs, i forgot
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
you may be out of touch with those unemployed I fear it is not by choice for everyone
nor has everyone who has had an educated profession been able to go back to it
this pipeline will create jobs that is a positive I see that as a very good thing
Why the Keystone pipeline would boost pump prices
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... ump-prices
Rising gasoline prices have helped proponents of a controversial pipeline proposal press their case that the project would help ease supply bottlenecks and lower prices for consumers.
They’re half right.
The proposed pipeline would relieve a glut of crude oil backing up in the Midwest and redirect those barrels to Gulf of Mexico ports. From there they could be shipped to world markets and repriced at higher global prices.
But that likely would mean higher prices for drivers in the nation's midsection, who currently are enjoying an unusual discount stemming from a lack of pipeline capacity.
On Monday, TransCanada Corp., the company that wants to build the pipeline, said it would start construction of a southern leg while it tries to satisfy environmental concerns raised by the Obama administration that have blocked the longer northern leg.
Oil prices around the world have been rising steadily since October largely because of tightening sanctions on Iran being imposed by the U.S. and European countries over its suspected development of nuclear weapons.
"Basically, we're locked into what appears to be an end game with Iran in some form or another,” sad Dan Yergin, chairman of Cambridge Energy Research Associates. “The sanctions really start to kick in over the next several months, and the whole aim is to choke off Iran's oil revenues and that means choke off its exports."
The result is that pump prices have jumped 20 cents a gallon in the past month alone, according to data from the Energy Information Administration, and Republicans are beginning to use the energy inflation as a political talking point.
But the pain has been inflicted unevenly across the country, with consumers on the coasts paying much higher prices than those in the Midwest and Rocky Mountain regions, where supplies of oil are plentiful.
One reason crude is so plentiful in the Midwest is that new production technologies have boosted production in oilfields that were once thought to be exhausted or too costly to develop. After two decades of steady decline, total U.S. oil production began rising again in 2009, according to the EIA. Increased production from Canadian tar sands fields also has boosted Midwest supplies.
But as domestic and Canadian production have risen, pipeline bottlenecks have cropped up – especially over the 500 miles from Cushing, Okla., to Houston, the nation’s largest oil shipping port and home to about half its refining capacity.
“We lack infrastructure to catch up with the fact that there's been this big change in oil production,” said Yergin. “Eight years ago, North Dakota was not the fourth-largest oil producing state in the country. So we need new pipelines, and the lack of those pipelines -- the lack of catching up -- is reflected in the disparity (in prices).”
Until last year, the benchmark price of U.S. crude based on Cushing delivery, known as West Texas Intermediate, closely tracked the global benchmark, called Brent North Sea.
But in the past year, as rising supplies of captive Midwest supplies depressed prices, the gap widened to once-unimaginable levels. By last fall, the discount for West Texas Intermediate had widened to as much as $30 a barrel before shrinking back to about half as much.
All of which has helped oil refiners in the Midwest keep pump prices lower than on the coasts, where refiners pay the higher Brent price, regardless of where the oil came from.
The regional difference in pump prices has been substantial. At the end of last month, the average price for a gallon of gasoline in the Rockies was 41 cents below the U.S. average -- the biggest gap since the Energy Department began tracking regional prices in 1992.
That’s where the Keystone pipeline comes in. Proponents of the pipeline have argued it will help wean the U.S. off foreign imports and lower pump prices. But rather than pushing Gulf Coast prices lower, it will let oil producers charge more for their crude.
TransCanada Corp. estimates the pipeline would boost sales of Canadian-produced crude by $2 billion to $4 billion a year, according to an assessment submitted to Canada's National Energy Board.
“The prices for those crudes in North Dakota and Canada will fetch closer to Gulf Coast prices, which are tied into the higher international market price,” said Tim Hess, an Energy Department analyst.
The reason is fairly simple. Even at maximum capacity, the Keystone line will move some 400,000 barrels per day of crude from Canada and the Midwest to global oil market. With the transportation discount removed, those barrels likely will be repriced to the higher global benchmark.
And with or without the Keystone pipeline, the “Midwest discount” that consumers now enjoy may go away later this year.
To help alleviate the Cushing bottleneck, the owner of a pipeline that now flows north from Houston plans to reverse the flow in June.
In a recent research report, analysts at Goldman Sachs predict the reversal of Enterprise Products' Seaway pipeline will help cut the spread between the price of U.S. and Brent crude to $5 a barrel in six months.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you are not an environmentalist
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
you do not know what the fuck you are even voting for. you just jump in head first spouting,"new jobs, new jobs."
don't be that naive, pandora
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
chad you need to remember your med's, who the hell do you think you are ? you and sweet child seem to have fell off the freakin edge...both of you need to get a grip, nobody attacked you, either of you but still both of you act like ...fuck it you guys just waller in your own hate and discust and enjoy.
Godfather.
just stating what I think about the pipeline
I am in favor of it being built and in favor of the temporary or otherwise jobs it will create...
it's going to be a positive I think it was the plan all along
you think so too GF?
Seriously tho...we should have had that infrastructure here a couple decades ago....
I'm not the type to think we can just jump from oil to renewable resources overnight...in the meantime, there will need to be some expansion to oil infrastructure. But I think these pipelines are more about getting refined oil to the gulf coast (and to a tax free port), than they are about any kind of benefit to average Canadians or Americans (as evidenced by the article gimme posted - think I posted something similar in the keystone thread). That means that when agreeing to these projects, it shouldn't just be lip service to minimizing environmental damage....we need to recognize that we have a problem, environmentally and economically...and develop a plan to ween ourselves off of oil. This prob won't happen until the government removes oil subsidies, and effectively transfers them to green industry. Which, of course, won’t happen until we get the Oil lobby out of our governments. Which wont happen until there is a massive overhaul of the entire political structure. Which won’t happen until there is full-scale revolution. Yup, we’re fucked!
wrong idea at this time.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I think someone sneezed in Russia so gas prices are probably going up anyway
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