Watch all-holier-than-thou nonsmokers rationalize this......

WaveRyder

brianlux wrote:

The Rocklin bill started out as a local issue and not really one worthy of national attention.

any bill that tramples on property rights deserves national attention.... we owe it to those property owners

peacefrompaul

brianlux wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Well, at least we can't blame this one on Obama. He's been known to light up from time to time.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/29/cigar ... ry-agenda/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Smo ... ontrol_Act

Obama has supported over regulation of tobacco.....

this bill isnt all bad but there is some bad stuff in it..... so it is a bad bill.

The US Supreme Court has already ruled part of it unconstitutional....

Im not blaming the outdoor ban on him....but he's not innocent in this realm either.

Obama has nothing to do with this bill and my inclusion of his name in this thread wasn't meant to be taken very seriously. The Rocklin bill started out as a local issue and not really one worthy of national attention.

I think its worthy of national attention just to see some of the ridiculous things that are being proposed.

I still liked your jokes.

LikeAnOcean

Do people besides 50 years olds still smoke this day in age?


it just seems like a silly, dated habit.

your move now

and that seems like a silly comment, because I would say I probably see more under 50 smokers than over 50s when I'm out.

Am assuming you don't drink, or eat processed suger either?

Kevinman

your move now wrote:

and that seems like a silly comment, because I would say I probably see more under 50 smokers than over 50s when I'm out.

Am assuming you don't drink, or eat processed suger either?

Really it depends where you are going out, and the demographic there. Chances are where you go out there are more people under 50 than over. I'm not hanging out at the same places as the over 50 crowd yet, so I wouldn't know. I'll let you know in a few years.

Jason P

What if you smoke inside your house and blow the smoke out the window?

This community should just go all-out and set up checkpoints where your blood stream is checked for nicotine and your car is searched for tobacco contraband before you are allowed to enter their boundaries? It's the only logical thing to do at this point.

Also, I wonder if the city has a ban on leaf blowers ....

BinFrog

Jason P wrote:

What if you smoke inside your house and blow the smoke out the window?

This community should just go all-out and set up checkpoints where your blood stream is checked for nicotine and your car is searched for tobacco contraband before you are allowed to enter their boundaries? It's the only logical thing to do at this point.

Also, I wonder if the city has a ban on leaf blowers ....

Might as well....2nd hand leaf inhalation is the 3,247th leading cause of nuisance in the US.

Jason P

BinFrog wrote:

Might as well....2nd hand leaf inhalation is the 3,247th leading cause of nuisance in the US.

That's right about where it ranks in everyone's mind.

But I wonder what poses a bigger health issue to second-hand parties? A hundred or so guys with 2-stroke engines strapped to their backs all day creating pollution while blowing particulates into the air for 8 hours or a hundred or so households that blow a smoke in their backyard a few times a night?

Monster Rain

Jason P wrote:

What if you smoke inside your house and blow the smoke out the window?

This community should just go all-out and set up checkpoints where your blood stream is checked for nicotine and your car is searched for tobacco contraband before you are allowed to enter their boundaries? It's the only logical thing to do at this point.

Also, I wonder if the city has a ban on leaf blowers ....

True. Really, how many people have been woken up at 9 AM on a Saturday because the neightbor wants to get an early start on his yard work? Sleep deprivation can be very bad for your health. What if the sleeping person worked late or was out all night and didn't get to sleep until 4 AM and has to drive somewhere that afternoon? Now you've got a tired driver on the road endangering himself and others. Also, using something witha loud engine such as a leaf blower, gas-powered weed whacker, chain saws, big lawn mowers, etc. can damage your hearing if you dont' have some sort of protection. This is all more likely than second-hand smoke from 100 feet away not rising at all and making its way into your lungs at a level high enough to cause damage.

They might as well amend the law and make it illegal to smoke in your own without showering and changing your clothes before you leave the house because the stench might make someone nauseous. If they want to introduce something ridiculous they might as well go all out with it.

Cosmo

Well... I guess it all depends on whom you are and how you see things... I suppose.
I mean, I have a friend that has a child with chronic asthma. They aren't rich, so they live in apartment type places. If a neighbor smokes outside and the smoke wafts up from his patio and into her bedroom window... well, i can see that becoming a problem.
We can say, "Fuck that kid... she should shut her goddamn window... or better yet, move the fuck out". Or we can sort of see and understand what's going on here, right?
I understand the rights of the smoker in the confines of his home... and that would probably not be a problem if the smoke did not exit his home or property. The problem is, the smoke doesn't really give a shit where it goes and who breathes it.
And we should not have to cater to those of us with health problems, either. The world is filled with shit that'll fuck over the kid with asthma... why the fuck should we give a shit about whether she and brathe or not, right?
...
I guess we care... because we are human. We can figure out the difference between the person who bitches about smoking because they bitch about fucking everything and the person who just cannot physically deal with it. And we understand that you cannot legislate compassion. We have to work out those issue on our own.
...
that's my take.

peacefrompaul

Cosmo wrote:

Well... I guess it all depends on whom you are and how you see things... I suppose.
I mean, I have a friend that has a child with chronic asthma. They aren't rich, so they live in apartment type places. If a neighbor smokes outside and the smoke wafts up from his patio and into her bedroom window... well, i can see that becoming a problem.
We can say, "Fuck that kid... she should shut her goddamn window... or better yet, move the fuck out". Or we can sort of see and understand what's going on here, right?
I understand the rights of the smoker in the confines of his home... and that would probably not be a problem if the smoke did not exit his home or property. The problem is, the smoke doesn't really give a shit where it goes and who breathes it.
And we should not have to cater to those of us with health problems, either. The world is filled with shit that'll fuck over the kid with asthma... why the fuck should we give a shit about whether she and brathe or not, right?
...
I guess we care... because we are human. We can figure out the difference between the person who bitches about smoking because they bitch about fucking everything and the person who just cannot physically deal with it. And we understand that you cannot legislate compassion. We have to work out those issue on our own.
...
that's my take.

Good points, thanks for the contribution.

bennett13

http://environment.about.com/od/health/ ... grills.htm

It's time to ban backyard barbeques!!!!

peacefrompaul

bennett13 wrote:

http://environment.about.com/od/health/a/charcoal_grills.htm

It's time to ban backyard barbeques!!!!

YEAH YEAH YEAH!



Natural Charcoal isn't that much more expensive though... I wouldn't mind switching to it.

your move now

Cosmo wrote:

Well... I guess it all depends on whom you are and how you see things... I suppose.
I mean, I have a friend that has a child with chronic asthma. They aren't rich, so they live in apartment type places. If a neighbor smokes outside and the smoke wafts up from his patio and into her bedroom window... well, i can see that becoming a problem.
We can say, "Fuck that kid... she should shut her goddamn window... or better yet, move the fuck out". Or we can sort of see and understand what's going on here, right?
I understand the rights of the smoker in the confines of his home... and that would probably not be a problem if the smoke did not exit his home or property. The problem is, the smoke doesn't really give a shit where it goes and who breathes it.
And we should not have to cater to those of us with health problems, either. The world is filled with shit that'll fuck over the kid with asthma... why the fuck should we give a shit about whether she and brathe or not, right?
...
I guess we care... because we are human. We can figure out the difference between the person who bitches about smoking because they bitch about fucking everything and the person who just cannot physically deal with it. And we understand that you cannot legislate compassion. We have to work out those issue on our own.
...
that's my take.

Think I read that wrong initially because I took the smoker does care as a generalisation about smokers not about the individual...
That said, without sounding awful, maybe they should shut the window? There are less and less places that people can smoke and to suggest they shouldn't in their own place is not only an infringement of property rights but also discrimination

Jason P

This topic is a perfect example of why the N.R.A. will never, ever budge one inch and are constantly looking to expand.

PJ_Soul

Jason P wrote:

This topic is a perfect example of why the N.R.A. will never, ever budge one inch and are constantly looking to expand.

Care to explain what point you're trying to make here? Just curious. Not sure if you're pro-telling people what to do or anti... how you feel about the NRA has a lot of context here!

Jason P

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

This topic is a perfect example of why the N.R.A. will never, ever budge one inch and are constantly looking to expand.

Care to explain what point you're trying to make here? Just curious. Not sure if you're pro-telling people what to do or anti... how you feel about the NRA has a lot of context here!

The tobacco industry used to be very strong to the point where I could buy a pack from a vending machine at my local Dairy Queen. Now there are state-wide bans and smoking on your own private property is being considered for a ban.

This is why the NRA fights things that defy common sense like gun locks, restrictions on clip capacity, etc. As long as they keep applying a full-court press, it will be hard for serious gun control regulation to come to vote.

Cosmo

your move now wrote:

Think I read that wrong initially because I took the smoker does care as a generalisation about smokers not about the individual...
That said, without sounding awful, maybe they should shut the window? There are less and less places that people can smoke and to suggest they shouldn't in their own place is not only an infringement of property rights but also discrimination

...
Actually, the point I was trying to make is that it all differs, depending on where you stand and how you see things.
Using my friend and her daughter as the example, the solution was simple:
She just explained to the neighbor about her daughter's problems... and he complied with her requests and stopped smoking in his patio and smoked on his front porch, instead. Compromise. My friend didn't tell him he couldn't smoke... she just told him about her daughter's health issues. Legislation was not required because the neighbor felt compassion for the plight of the little girl and the mom didn't come off all heavy handed and critical of the smoker.
It's when everyone else chimes in about what he shuold and shouldn't do... and what the girl and her mom should and shouldn't do... that it becomes a mess.