much better!
I can't think how anyone who was rational or educated could argue with that
I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
what happened to the nice educated rational discussion?
Sounds like somebody needs a cigarette!
Actually there's a high possibility that I was smoking whilst I typed that!
I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
I don't smoke and never have, but that's such an absurd law to want to pass that it makes me wonder about the mental state of the person who introduced it in the first place. Smoking outside on your own property really shouldn't affect your neighbors even if your homes are close together. There is plenty of time for the smoke to spread out in the air by the time it reaches a nieghbor even if the wind is blowing in their direction. Following that logic, cooking on a grill should be banned because the smoke can blow into someone else's yard. Think about how much smoke comes out of a charcoal grill but how often do you ever see a full-on cloud of smoke blow into someone else's yard from it? Now look at how much smaller a cigarette is compared to a grill and tell me how its smoke is going to bother you or affect your health in a way that's worse than the smoke from burning charcoal.
Also, if they ban smoking outside your house will they also ban smoking inside your house with the window open? After all, the smoke will escape out the window and follow the wind just the same as if you were standing outside the window. And what if you are on a 2nd-floor deck? Is is ok to smoke up there or will they worry that the smoke might fall to the ground?
I don't smoke and never have, but that's such an absurd law to want to pass that it makes me wonder about the mental state of the person who introduced it in the first place. Smoking outside on your own property really shouldn't affect your neighbors even if your homes are close together. There is plenty of time for the smoke to spread out in the air by the time it reaches a nieghbor even if the wind is blowing in their direction. Following that logic, cooking on a grill should be banned because the smoke can blow into someone else's yard. Think about how much smoke comes out of a charcoal grill but how often do you ever see a full-on cloud of smoke blow into someone else's yard from it? Now look at how much smaller a cigarette is compared to a grill and tell me how its smoke is going to bother you or affect your health in a way that's worse than the smoke from burning charcoal.
Also, if they ban smoking outside your house will they also ban smoking inside your house with the window open? After all, the smoke will escape out the window and follow the wind just the same as if you were standing outside the window. And what if you are on a 2nd-floor deck? Is is ok to smoke up there or will they worry that the smoke might fall to the ground?
I am a polite smoker I don't smoke in crowds and I wont walk into your space and light up, but I agree with your post.
I don't smoke and never have, but that's such an absurd law to want to pass that it makes me wonder about the mental state of the person who introduced it in the first place. Smoking outside on your own property really shouldn't affect your neighbors even if your homes are close together. There is plenty of time for the smoke to spread out in the air by the time it reaches a nieghbor even if the wind is blowing in their direction. Following that logic, cooking on a grill should be banned because the smoke can blow into someone else's yard. Think about how much smoke comes out of a charcoal grill but how often do you ever see a full-on cloud of smoke blow into someone else's yard from it? Now look at how much smaller a cigarette is compared to a grill and tell me how its smoke is going to bother you or affect your health in a way that's worse than the smoke from burning charcoal.
Also, if they ban smoking outside your house will they also ban smoking inside your house with the window open? After all, the smoke will escape out the window and follow the wind just the same as if you were standing outside the window. And what if you are on a 2nd-floor deck? Is is ok to smoke up there or will they worry that the smoke might fall to the ground?
I am a polite smoker I don't smoke in crowds and I wont walk into your space and light up, but I agree with your post.
Godfather.
Yeah Godfather, I do the same thing. Respect peoples space and if someone is walking by me I wait to take a drag so I'm not blowing smoke in their face. When I'm done I find a garbage can to throw the butt into.
I don't smoke and never have, but that's such an absurd law to want to pass that it makes me wonder about the mental state of the person who introduced it in the first place. Smoking outside on your own property really shouldn't affect your neighbors even if your homes are close together. There is plenty of time for the smoke to spread out in the air by the time it reaches a nieghbor even if the wind is blowing in their direction. Following that logic, cooking on a grill should be banned because the smoke can blow into someone else's yard. Think about how much smoke comes out of a charcoal grill but how often do you ever see a full-on cloud of smoke blow into someone else's yard from it? Now look at how much smaller a cigarette is compared to a grill and tell me how its smoke is going to bother you or affect your health in a way that's worse than the smoke from burning charcoal.
Also, if they ban smoking outside your house will they also ban smoking inside your house with the window open? After all, the smoke will escape out the window and follow the wind just the same as if you were standing outside the window. And what if you are on a 2nd-floor deck? Is is ok to smoke up there or will they worry that the smoke might fall to the ground?
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If the people don't want smoke in their house, why don't they close the windows and run the air-conditioning. Oh that's right, then somebody would complain about the ozone layer. Some people need to get a life. They should complain to the government who are making big bucks on taxes, to stop making the poison sticks. Funny how the governments waste tons of cash on non-smoking campaigns yet they can't stop making the things.
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If the people don't want smoke in their house, why don't they close the windows and run the air-conditioning. Oh that's right, then somebody would complain about the ozone layer. Some people need to get a life. They should complain to the government who are making big bucks on taxes, to stop making the poison sticks. Funny how the governments waste tons of cash on non-smoking campaigns yet they can't stop making the things.
The American government doesn't exactly have a good track record when it comes to prohibition. Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs out there. If cigarettes were outlawed, you'd just have another illegal drug trade on your hands... a serious smuggling issue, as everyone acquires cigarettes from all the countries in the world where they are still legal. Banning cigarettes makes about as much sense as banning alcohol would. None.
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If the people don't want smoke in their house, why don't they close the windows and run the air-conditioning. Oh that's right, then somebody would complain about the ozone layer. Some people need to get a life. They should complain to the government who are making big bucks on taxes, to stop making the poison sticks. Funny how the governments waste tons of cash on non-smoking campaigns yet they can't stop making the things.
The American government doesn't exactly have a good track record when it comes to prohibition. Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs out there. If cigarettes were outlawed, you'd just have another illegal drug trade on your hands... a serious smuggling issue, as everyone acquires cigarettes from all the countries in the world where they are still legal. Banning cigarettes makes about as much sense as banning alcohol would. None.
ha ha it takes another Canuck to get the irony. Then don't tell me where to smoke the bloody things.
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If the people don't want smoke in their house, why don't they close the windows and run the air-conditioning. Oh that's right, then somebody would complain about the ozone layer. Some people need to get a life. They should complain to the government who are making big bucks on taxes, to stop making the poison sticks. Funny how the governments waste tons of cash on non-smoking campaigns yet they can't stop making the things.
Interesting bit of irony there!
Well, at least we can't blame this one on Obama. He's been known to light up from time to time.
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If the people don't want smoke in their house, why don't they close the windows and run the air-conditioning. Oh that's right, then somebody would complain about the ozone layer. Some people need to get a life. They should complain to the government who are making big bucks on taxes, to stop making the poison sticks. Funny how the governments waste tons of cash on non-smoking campaigns yet they can't stop making the things.
Interesting bit of irony there!
Well, at least we can't blame this one on Obama. He's been known to light up from time to time.
I've always wondered what his brand is.
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If the people don't want smoke in their house, why don't they close the windows and run the air-conditioning. Oh that's right, then somebody would complain about the ozone layer. Some people need to get a life. They should complain to the government who are making big bucks on taxes, to stop making the poison sticks. Funny how the governments waste tons of cash on non-smoking campaigns yet they can't stop making the things.
Interesting bit of irony there!
Well, at least we can't blame this one on Obama. He's been known to light up from time to time.
I've always wondered what his brand is.
Home Grown?
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Obama has supported over regulation of tobacco.....
this bill isnt all bad but there is some bad stuff in it..... so it is a bad bill.
The US Supreme Court has already ruled part of it unconstitutional....
Im not blaming the outdoor ban on him....but he's not innocent in this realm either.
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Obama has supported over regulation of tobacco.....
this bill isnt all bad but there is some bad stuff in it..... so it is a bad bill.
The US Supreme Court has already ruled part of it unconstitutional....
Im not blaming the outdoor ban on him....but he's not innocent in this realm either.
Obama has nothing to do with this bill and my inclusion of his name in this thread wasn't meant to be taken very seriously. The Rocklin bill started out as a local issue and not really one worthy of national attention.
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The Rocklin bill started out as a local issue and not really one worthy of national attention.
any bill that tramples on property rights deserves national attention.... we owe it to those property owners
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Obama has supported over regulation of tobacco.....
this bill isnt all bad but there is some bad stuff in it..... so it is a bad bill.
The US Supreme Court has already ruled part of it unconstitutional....
Im not blaming the outdoor ban on him....but he's not innocent in this realm either.
Obama has nothing to do with this bill and my inclusion of his name in this thread wasn't meant to be taken very seriously. The Rocklin bill started out as a local issue and not really one worthy of national attention.
I think its worthy of national attention just to see some of the ridiculous things that are being proposed.
and that seems like a silly comment, because I would say I probably see more under 50 smokers than over 50s when I'm out.
Am assuming you don't drink, or eat processed suger either?
I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
and that seems like a silly comment, because I would say I probably see more under 50 smokers than over 50s when I'm out.
Am assuming you don't drink, or eat processed suger either?
Really it depends where you are going out, and the demographic there. Chances are where you go out there are more people under 50 than over. I'm not hanging out at the same places as the over 50 crowd yet, so I wouldn't know. I'll let you know in a few years.
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What if you smoke inside your house and blow the smoke out the window?
This community should just go all-out and set up checkpoints where your blood stream is checked for nicotine and your car is searched for tobacco contraband before you are allowed to enter their boundaries? It's the only logical thing to do at this point.
Also, I wonder if the city has a ban on leaf blowers ....
What if you smoke inside your house and blow the smoke out the window?
This community should just go all-out and set up checkpoints where your blood stream is checked for nicotine and your car is searched for tobacco contraband before you are allowed to enter their boundaries? It's the only logical thing to do at this point.
Also, I wonder if the city has a ban on leaf blowers ....
Might as well....2nd hand leaf inhalation is the 3,247th leading cause of nuisance in the US.
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Might as well....2nd hand leaf inhalation is the 3,247th leading cause of nuisance in the US.
That's right about where it ranks in everyone's mind.
But I wonder what poses a bigger health issue to second-hand parties? A hundred or so guys with 2-stroke engines strapped to their backs all day creating pollution while blowing particulates into the air for 8 hours or a hundred or so households that blow a smoke in their backyard a few times a night?
What if you smoke inside your house and blow the smoke out the window?
This community should just go all-out and set up checkpoints where your blood stream is checked for nicotine and your car is searched for tobacco contraband before you are allowed to enter their boundaries? It's the only logical thing to do at this point.
Also, I wonder if the city has a ban on leaf blowers ....
True. Really, how many people have been woken up at 9 AM on a Saturday because the neightbor wants to get an early start on his yard work? Sleep deprivation can be very bad for your health. What if the sleeping person worked late or was out all night and didn't get to sleep until 4 AM and has to drive somewhere that afternoon? Now you've got a tired driver on the road endangering himself and others. Also, using something witha loud engine such as a leaf blower, gas-powered weed whacker, chain saws, big lawn mowers, etc. can damage your hearing if you dont' have some sort of protection. This is all more likely than second-hand smoke from 100 feet away not rising at all and making its way into your lungs at a level high enough to cause damage.
They might as well amend the law and make it illegal to smoke in your own without showering and changing your clothes before you leave the house because the stench might make someone nauseous. If they want to introduce something ridiculous they might as well go all out with it.
Well... I guess it all depends on whom you are and how you see things... I suppose.
I mean, I have a friend that has a child with chronic asthma. They aren't rich, so they live in apartment type places. If a neighbor smokes outside and the smoke wafts up from his patio and into her bedroom window... well, i can see that becoming a problem.
We can say, "Fuck that kid... she should shut her goddamn window... or better yet, move the fuck out". Or we can sort of see and understand what's going on here, right?
I understand the rights of the smoker in the confines of his home... and that would probably not be a problem if the smoke did not exit his home or property. The problem is, the smoke doesn't really give a shit where it goes and who breathes it.
And we should not have to cater to those of us with health problems, either. The world is filled with shit that'll fuck over the kid with asthma... why the fuck should we give a shit about whether she and brathe or not, right?
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I guess we care... because we are human. We can figure out the difference between the person who bitches about smoking because they bitch about fucking everything and the person who just cannot physically deal with it. And we understand that you cannot legislate compassion. We have to work out those issue on our own.
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that's my take.
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I can't think how anyone who was rational or educated could argue with that
Sounds like somebody needs a cigarette!
Actually there's a high possibility that I was smoking whilst I typed that!
Ahhh and I just came back from a date with a Camel Filter.
Good night folks.
Also, if they ban smoking outside your house will they also ban smoking inside your house with the window open? After all, the smoke will escape out the window and follow the wind just the same as if you were standing outside the window. And what if you are on a 2nd-floor deck? Is is ok to smoke up there or will they worry that the smoke might fall to the ground?
I am a polite smoker I don't smoke in crowds and I wont walk into your space and light up, but I agree with your post.
Godfather.
Yeah Godfather, I do the same thing. Respect peoples space and if someone is walking by me I wait to take a drag so I'm not blowing smoke in their face. When I'm done I find a garbage can to throw the butt into.
Monster Rain, awesome post. Exactly how I feel!
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The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
The American government doesn't exactly have a good track record when it comes to prohibition. Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs out there. If cigarettes were outlawed, you'd just have another illegal drug trade on your hands... a serious smuggling issue, as everyone acquires cigarettes from all the countries in the world where they are still legal. Banning cigarettes makes about as much sense as banning alcohol would. None.
ha ha it takes another Canuck to get the irony. Then don't tell me where to smoke the bloody things.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Interesting bit of irony there!
Well, at least we can't blame this one on Obama. He's been known to light up from time to time.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I've always wondered what his brand is.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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Obama has supported over regulation of tobacco.....
this bill isnt all bad but there is some bad stuff in it..... so it is a bad bill.
The US Supreme Court has already ruled part of it unconstitutional....
Im not blaming the outdoor ban on him....but he's not innocent in this realm either.
Obama has nothing to do with this bill and my inclusion of his name in this thread wasn't meant to be taken very seriously. The Rocklin bill started out as a local issue and not really one worthy of national attention.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
any bill that tramples on property rights deserves national attention.... we owe it to those property owners
I think its worthy of national attention just to see some of the ridiculous things that are being proposed.
I still liked your jokes.
it just seems like a silly, dated habit.
Am assuming you don't drink, or eat processed suger either?
Really it depends where you are going out, and the demographic there. Chances are where you go out there are more people under 50 than over. I'm not hanging out at the same places as the over 50 crowd yet, so I wouldn't know. I'll let you know in a few years.
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This community should just go all-out and set up checkpoints where your blood stream is checked for nicotine and your car is searched for tobacco contraband before you are allowed to enter their boundaries? It's the only logical thing to do at this point.
Also, I wonder if the city has a ban on leaf blowers ....
Might as well....2nd hand leaf inhalation is the 3,247th leading cause of nuisance in the US.
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But I wonder what poses a bigger health issue to second-hand parties? A hundred or so guys with 2-stroke engines strapped to their backs all day creating pollution while blowing particulates into the air for 8 hours or a hundred or so households that blow a smoke in their backyard a few times a night?
True. Really, how many people have been woken up at 9 AM on a Saturday because the neightbor wants to get an early start on his yard work? Sleep deprivation can be very bad for your health. What if the sleeping person worked late or was out all night and didn't get to sleep until 4 AM and has to drive somewhere that afternoon? Now you've got a tired driver on the road endangering himself and others. Also, using something witha loud engine such as a leaf blower, gas-powered weed whacker, chain saws, big lawn mowers, etc. can damage your hearing if you dont' have some sort of protection. This is all more likely than second-hand smoke from 100 feet away not rising at all and making its way into your lungs at a level high enough to cause damage.
They might as well amend the law and make it illegal to smoke in your own without showering and changing your clothes before you leave the house because the stench might make someone nauseous. If they want to introduce something ridiculous they might as well go all out with it.
I mean, I have a friend that has a child with chronic asthma. They aren't rich, so they live in apartment type places. If a neighbor smokes outside and the smoke wafts up from his patio and into her bedroom window... well, i can see that becoming a problem.
We can say, "Fuck that kid... she should shut her goddamn window... or better yet, move the fuck out". Or we can sort of see and understand what's going on here, right?
I understand the rights of the smoker in the confines of his home... and that would probably not be a problem if the smoke did not exit his home or property. The problem is, the smoke doesn't really give a shit where it goes and who breathes it.
And we should not have to cater to those of us with health problems, either. The world is filled with shit that'll fuck over the kid with asthma... why the fuck should we give a shit about whether she and brathe or not, right?
...
I guess we care... because we are human. We can figure out the difference between the person who bitches about smoking because they bitch about fucking everything and the person who just cannot physically deal with it. And we understand that you cannot legislate compassion. We have to work out those issue on our own.
...
that's my take.
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