All this for a book?

gimmesometruth27

fuck wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

but that is based on my beliefs that throughout history more bad has been done in the name of that book than good.

how can you possibly know this? You don't appear to be a historian, and I doubt you could have possibly done all this research on your own. Additionally, how would one even judge that? What does it take, or mean to do 'good' or do 'bad'? And how would one know if it was truly in the name of that book? And, further, can one blame the book and the beliefs it espouses if an act is simply done in the name of it, and not necessarily because it advocates it?

It's easy to just say things, but do they make any sense?

so the bible has not sparked wars or crusades that were waged against islam? the bible has not caused europeans to conquer the west and try to convert or kill the natives?

come on man, those are no brainers. you don't have to be a historian to name those 2 examples.

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

who is more barbaric or idiotic, the people described in this thread, or the people rioting over fucking nike shoes??

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/ni ... 02536.html

"There were no arrests or injuries reported"

There's your answer. They are certainly dumbasses though.

fuck

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

fuck wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

but that is based on my beliefs that throughout history more bad has been done in the name of that book than good.

how can you possibly know this? You don't appear to be a historian, and I doubt you could have possibly done all this research on your own. Additionally, how would one even judge that? What does it take, or mean to do 'good' or do 'bad'? And how would one know if it was truly in the name of that book? And, further, can one blame the book and the beliefs it espouses if an act is simply done in the name of it, and not necessarily because it advocates it?

It's easy to just say things, but do they make any sense?

so the bible has not sparked wars or crusades that were waged against islam? the bible has not caused europeans to conquer the west and try to convert or kill the natives?

come on man, those are no brainers. you don't have to be a historian to name those 2 examples.

Perhaps they're no brainers because it's what people are always taught, but if one were to really study history, then he/she would know that the bible did not "spark" the Crusades, and that the Crusades were actually waged for socio-economic and political purposes. If one were to say that the mixing of religion and politics is dangerous, that's an argument that can actually stand, though it definitely requires much analysis. But to simply say that the bible is responsible for the crusades, that a book can be responsible for people's actions, then that's absurd, and, as a gross simplification, is historically inaccurate.

Dirtie_Frank

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

we are talking about the military right? an institution based on respect and discipline, correct?

it is not the military's business to make mistakes. there is absolutely no excuse for this.

a simple google search could have prevented all of this.

this mistake has put soldiers' lives at risk yet AGAIN....

our military is better than that, and the world deserves better than an inept imperialistic superpower...


anymore our presence over there and the lack of empathy for the people of that country reminds me more of nero than uncle sam.

mr magoo is running things over there....

I did a google search and this is what I found:

The Quran does not include instructions for its own disposal, and Mohammed never appears to have addressed the issue. Islamic scholars, however, offer several options.

Also this:
Defiling or dismembering copies of the Quran is considered Quran desecration. Pulping, recycling, or otherwise discarding worn-out copies of the text is forbidden. Worn-out, torn, or errant (for example, pages out of order) Qurans are left free to flow in a river, kept somewhere safe, burned, or buried in a remote location.

SO i believe Muslims do not even know how to dispose of the Quran.

Look I returned in SEP from AFG after 6 months. The one thing I learned is that we need to get out of there. We are wasting money on people that cannot and will not defend themselves. There thinking is nothing close to reasonable in my opinion. They walk out into the road without looking and just say insallah, if God wills me to be hit by the car it will happen. That is their way of thinking so let them be. It will take hundreds of years and tons of educating for the Afghans to change their way of thinking.

fuck

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

There thinking is nothing close to reasonable in my opinion. They walk out into the road without looking and just say insallah, if God wills me to be hit by the car it will happen. That is their way of thinking so let them be. It will take hundreds of years and tons of educating for the Afghans to change their way of thinking.

Pure racism on the AMT. How wonderful.

USARAY

they really hate us

on TV it was said that our officials had some really harsh words for the burning of the
religious materials
they said we made a stupid mistake

man that is harsh

Shawshank

This is ridiculous. I'd burn a stack of bibles myself and roast hot dogs over the flames. I don't see how anyone can rationalize and excuse the call for murder over some burned up paper.

Bronx Bombers

HOME > NEWS > WORLD NEWS
Afghan policeman kills two US officers in shooting over Koran burning

Last Updated: 9:55 AM, February 25, 2012

KABUL -- An Afghan police officer shot dead two high-ranking US military advisers Saturday in an attack claimed by the Taliban inside a highly-secure command center at Afghanistan's interior ministry.

The two American advisers -- who held the rank of colonel and major -- were shot in the head by an Afghan policeman who was upset about the burning of Korans earlier this week at a US military base.

NATO confirmed in a statement only that there were two fatalities in a shooting in Kabul on Saturday.

"Initial reports indicate an individual turned his weapon against International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) service members in Kabul City today [Saturday], killing two servicemembers," a NATO statement said.

The Taliban, however, in claiming responsibility for the attack, said that four advisers were killed.
In a statement on its website, the Taliban said "a hero mujahid Abdul Rahman" killed four advisers over the burning of Korans at a US-run military base.

The shooting took place in the heart of Kabul at the busy interior ministry compound, filled with hundreds of Afghan police officers, officials told The Wall Street Journal.

Some reports said the shooting was a result of a "verbal clash," AFP reported.

The incident came after demonstrators tried to storm the United Nations compound in the northeastern city of Kunduz on Saturday.

At least four people were killed when the protesters -- some armed with guns -- converged on the UN offices, according to the provincial governor's office.

Fury over an attempt by coalition soldiers to burn a truckload of Islamic books, including copies of the Koran, at Bagram Air Field has shown no signs of diminishing.
In a wave of unrest now in its fifth day, protesters targeted Afghan government buildings and Western offices. 

At least 27 people have been killed, including two US soldiers shot by an Afghan officer Thursday.
Southern Afghanistan -- the heartland of the Taliban insurgency -- has been the only part of the country to avoid deadly confrontations so far.

Dirtie_Frank

fuck wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

There thinking is nothing close to reasonable in my opinion. They walk out into the road without looking and just say insallah, if God wills me to be hit by the car it will happen. That is their way of thinking so let them be. It will take hundreds of years and tons of educating for the Afghans to change their way of thinking.

Pure racism on the AMT. How wonderful.

How is thus racist? It is experience. I worked with Afghans who flex during the Taliban times that would say it far worse then what I have said.