All this for a book?

cincybearcat

"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Quran," the message said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1


So, I get that burning a holy book is not good. But regardless which book it is, this is ridiculous. We'd probably be better off if we burned each and every "holy" book. When people take things this far, they are nothing but crazy bastards.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Agreed. I understand that the perspective comes from the fact that the burning of the book is more disrespecting the ideology than lighting fire to a binded bunch of paper with words.

Such intense radicalism is very scary. I have a lot to say about this topic, but I'll stop there- scary.

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Quran," the message said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1


So, I get that burning a holy book is not good. But regardless which book it is, this is ridiculous. We'd probably be better off if we burned each and every "holy" book. When people take things this far, they are nothing but crazy bastards.

this is the response to 10 years of war, 10 years of the american military occupation, 10 years of murdering civilians, 10 years of constant disprespect of islam by the american military. this is only going to get worse as time goes on. there have been countless reports of americans disrespecting the koran, going all the way back to the gitmo scandal with flushing it in the toilet.

is it so hard to ask the proper way to dispose of this holy book and dispose of it accordingly? from what i remember you are supposed to bury it on a holy site, like the grounds of a mosque or muslim cemetery so that nobody can trample upon it. i mean we could have avoided all of this by having some low level soldier stationed over there dig a fucking hole... better yet, why not donate the books to a local mosque where they can continue to be used by those that appreciate it and use it as it is meant to be used?

we are supposed to burn the american flag to properly dispose of it, and that act sparks controversy here, so it is no surprise to me that there is outrage over another koran burning..

FiveB247x

Just reiterates that we do not belong in these places and no matter our intentions (good, bad or indifferent), our actions or inactions merely fuel the fire (pun intended) for further hatred and problems.

cincybearcat wrote:

"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Quran," the message said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1


So, I get that burning a holy book is not good. But regardless which book it is, this is ridiculous. We'd probably be better off if we burned each and every "holy" book. When people take things this far, they are nothing but crazy bastards.

maj4e

If you take away the oil, or more accurately stop using it. They have ZERO power. They can jump and scream and do whatever they want and no one will give a shit. Seems like people on the right and left could get behind that.

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

we are supposed to burn the american flag to properly dispose of it, and that act sparks controversy here, so it is no surprise to me that there is outrage over another koran burning..

So, when's the last time anyone called for people to kill others for burning the flag? C'mon.

It's a book. It's no different then burning the Catcher in the Rye. Except that book is actually awesome!!!

Religious fanatics have to go, all over the world. They can all go live together with Santorum.

blackredyellow

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

we are supposed to burn the american flag to properly dispose of it, and that act sparks controversy here, so it is no surprise to me that there is outrage over another koran burning..

So, when's the last time anyone called for people to kill others for burning the flag? C'mon.

It's a book. It's no different then burning the Catcher in the Rye. Except that book is actually awesome!!!

Religious fanatics have to go, all over the world. They can all go live together with Santorum.

I caught some of this story on tv this morning, and apparently religious "leaders" were on bullhorns, instructing the protesters on what to do/chant, etc.

Like our extreme religious people (or politicians in general), they are just using it to solidify their base.It amazes me how often religion is used as a tool to control people, and those who are controlled either have no idea it's happening, or just don't care.

fuck

cincybearcat wrote:

It's a book. It's no different then burning the Catcher in the Rye. Except that book is actually awesome!!!

That would make sense. If the Catcher in the Rye was considered a holy book by many people. And, if those people had a country where such a book was the foundation of the religion in said country. And, if that country was invaded by us. And, if we killed and continue to kill civilians and occupy that country, and set up a phony government. And, if we invaded other countries where said religion was practiced and did the same disrespectful and illegal, inhumane murderous acts over and over again. And, if all of these actions was a symbol of our cultural hegemony. Yes, yes, it's all starting to make sense.

Where'd you learn your analogies? Christ.

Vitalogy Man

maj4e wrote:

If you take away the oil, or more accurately stop using it. They have ZERO power. They can jump and scream and do whatever they want and no one will give a shit. Seems like people on the right and left could get behind that.

Stop using oil?

:roll:

Ya, I can't believe why every American isn't behind this 100%...

Electric_Delta

cincybearcat wrote:

"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Quran," the message said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1


So, I get that burning a holy book is not good. But regardless which book it is, this is ridiculous. We'd probably be better off if we burned each and every "holy" book. When people take things this far, they are nothing but crazy bastards.

Burn every holy book? That's a really naive thing to say.

These radical Muslims are about as close to barbarians as you can get. When they behead, rape, and repress Christians, you don't see other Christians across the globe doing this. Again, these people use stories like this as free license to kill and carry out radical ideological agendas.

Why does Obama and the rest of the lefties kowtow to these people when they act like this? In my estimation, his behavior actually makes us less safe in the West because it does nothing but embolden those who act in this manner.

Completely unacceptable. Where is the outrage? I'm sure the State Department will say nothing when they kill that Christian pastor Iran is using as a political pawn.

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Quran," the message said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1


So, I get that burning a holy book is not good. But regardless which book it is, this is ridiculous. We'd probably be better off if we burned each and every "holy" book. When people take things this far, they are nothing but crazy bastards.

Burn every holy book? That's a really naive thing to say.

These radical Muslims are about as close to barbarians as you can get. When they behead, rape, and repress Christians, you don't see other Christians across the globe doing this. Again, these people use stories like this as free license to kill and carry out radical ideological agendas.

Why does Obama and the rest of the lefties kowtow to these people when they act like this? In my estimation, his behavior actually makes us less safe in the West because it does nothing but embolden those who act in this manner.

Completely unacceptable. Where is the outrage? I'm sure the State Department will say nothing when they kill that Christian pastor Iran is using as a political pawn.

lol, why is your book suddenly more holy than theirs?



he is not kowtowing to anyone.. he hears their concerns and tries to make it known to them that he respects thier opinion and their right to express their grievances. this is what leaders do.

Electric_Delta

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Quran," the message said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1


So, I get that burning a holy book is not good. But regardless which book it is, this is ridiculous. We'd probably be better off if we burned each and every "holy" book. When people take things this far, they are nothing but crazy bastards.

Burn every holy book? That's a really naive thing to say.

These radical Muslims are about as close to barbarians as you can get. When they behead, rape, and repress Christians, you don't see other Christians across the globe doing this. Again, these people use stories like this as free license to kill and carry out radical ideological agendas.

Why does Obama and the rest of the lefties kowtow to these people when they act like this? In my estimation, his behavior actually makes us less safe in the West because it does nothing but embolden those who act in this manner.

Completely unacceptable. Where is the outrage? I'm sure the State Department will say nothing when they kill that Christian pastor Iran is using as a political pawn.

lol, why is your book suddenly more holy than theirs?



he is not kowtowing to anyone.. he hears their concerns and tries to make it known to them that he respects thier opinion and their right to express their grievances. this is what leaders do.

Express their grievances? Is that code for excusing murder? Those books were destroyed by accident...

FiveB247x

I certainly am not excusing the reactions of burning books but with that said, I find it rather funny how harshly you critique others as "close to barbarians as possible" yet many of the same practices have gone on in other religions throughout the centuries (even if not in the present time) or how easy it is to wag the finger at others while ignoring how we ourselves act in the world (home and abroad). We discriminate, we enable and start wars and back human rights abusers all for the sake of our own "safety" or greed. But let's just make that a moot point and go back to talking about how everyone else is so uncivil.

Electric_Delta wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Quran," the message said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1


So, I get that burning a holy book is not good. But regardless which book it is, this is ridiculous. We'd probably be better off if we burned each and every "holy" book. When people take things this far, they are nothing but crazy bastards.

Burn every holy book? That's a really naive thing to say.

These radical Muslims are about as close to barbarians as you can get. When they behead, rape, and repress Christians, you don't see other Christians across the globe doing this. Again, these people use stories like this as free license to kill and carry out radical ideological agendas.

Why does Obama and the rest of the lefties kowtow to these people when they act like this? In my estimation, his behavior actually makes us less safe in the West because it does nothing but embolden those who act in this manner.

Completely unacceptable. Where is the outrage? I'm sure the State Department will say nothing when they kill that Christian pastor Iran is using as a political pawn.

Electric_Delta

FiveB247x wrote:

I certainly am not excusing the reactions of burning books but with that said, I find it rather funny how harshly you critique others as "close to barbarians as possible" yet many of the same practices have gone on in other religions throughout the centuries (even if not in the present time) or how easy it is to wag the finger at others while ignoring how we ourselves act in the world (home and abroad). We discriminate, we and enable start wars and back human rights abusers all for the sake of our own "safety" or greed. But let's just make that a moot point and go back to talking about how everyone else is so uncivil.

Electric_Delta wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Quran," the message said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1


So, I get that burning a holy book is not good. But regardless which book it is, this is ridiculous. We'd probably be better off if we burned each and every "holy" book. When people take things this far, they are nothing but crazy bastards.

Burn every holy book? That's a really naive thing to say.

These radical Muslims are about as close to barbarians as you can get. When they behead, rape, and repress Christians, you don't see other Christians across the globe doing this. Again, these people use stories like this as free license to kill and carry out radical ideological agendas.

Why does Obama and the rest of the lefties kowtow to these people when they act like this? In my estimation, his behavior actually makes us less safe in the West because it does nothing but embolden those who act in this manner.

Completely unacceptable. Where is the outrage? I'm sure the State Department will say nothing when they kill that Christian pastor Iran is using as a political pawn.

At no point did I excuse any type of American government policies regarding anything. The fact is, these people COMPLETELY overreacted to an accident and people were MURDERED. You are trying to rationalize murder and mob mentality. If these actions weren't barbaric, I don't know what is.

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

Express their grievances? Is that code for excusing murder? Those books were destroyed by accident...

i am not excusing murder. i am just trying to see their side of things. you should maybe try it sometime.

i can understand their anger and their frustration and what the 10 year war and occupation and the us military constantly insulting their religion and down playing it.


true or false??

there have been numerous examples of the US military defacing or destroying the koran since the war started.

there have been numerous examples of the us military wasting muslim civilians in said war.

there have been numerous examples of implied or outright stated christian superiority from soldiers in the us military.

there have been numerous examples of disrespect shown to the people of afghanistan and their religion.

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

At no point did I excuse any type of American government policies regarding anything. The fact is, these people COMPLETELY overreacted to an accident and people were MURDERED. You are trying to rationalize murder and mob mentality. If these actions weren't barbaric, I don't know what is.

it is not an accident. failing to properly at least inquire as to what is the acceptable manner to dispose of a koran is negligence.

FiveB247x

As I said, I am not defending their actions, but you seem to ignore the rest of the fact that through history you can fill in the some barbaric actions by other religions and simply because you're here and alive to talk about this one now, it is supposed to me something more or be relevant than others or something similar to this notion. The reality is if our species were as intellectually evolved as we'd hope, we wouldn't have the wars, discrimination, inequalities, hatreds and similar - but we're not. Instead we just go around pointing at whatever the other half does, thinks (rightly or wrongly) and tell them how bad or wrong they are in comparison and use it as a method to justify whatever actions we want to employ thereafter.. whether it's globalization, industrialization, proselytizing, colonialism, empire, exploitation or the many others. We naively think we can convert, conquer or wake up the world to our ways and this will in turn make everyone and thing into better things.. but in reality, the only thing we can control is ourselves and try and be a positive influence towards others in hopes they comply in kind for good things so avoidable dumb things can be avoided and not occur.

Electric_Delta wrote:

At no point did I excuse any type of American government policies regarding anything. The fact is, these people COMPLETELY overreacted to an accident and people were MURDERED. You are trying to rationalize murder and mob mentality. If these actions weren't barbaric, I don't know what is.

Jason P

So if a group of religious people try to pass a law requiring an ultrasound before an abortion it's OK to attack a faith but if another faith goes into full-scale riot because a book was accidentally burned we cannot judge?

Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue ...

Electric_Delta

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

At no point did I excuse any type of American government policies regarding anything. The fact is, these people COMPLETELY overreacted to an accident and people were MURDERED. You are trying to rationalize murder and mob mentality. If these actions weren't barbaric, I don't know what is.

it is not an accident. failing to properly at least inquire as to what is the acceptable manner to dispose of a koran is negligence.

It's insensitive, I agree. However, it's no excuse to go killing and pillaging. Sorry, you can't rationalize murder.

Electric_Delta

FiveB247x wrote:

As I said, I am not defending their actions, but you seem to ignore the rest of the fact that through history you can fill in the some barbaric actions by other religions and simply because you're here and alive to talk about this one now, it is supposed to me something more or be relevant than others or something similar to this notion. The reality is if our species were as intellectually evolved as we'd hope, we wouldn't have the wars, discrimination, inequalities, hatreds and similar - but we're not. Instead we just go around pointing at whatever the other half does, thinks (rightly or wrongly) and tell them how bad or wrong they are in comparison and use it as a method to justify whatever actions we want to employ thereafter.. whether it's globalization, industrialization, proselytizing, colonialism, empire, exploitation or the many others. We naively think we can convert, conquer or wake up the world to our ways and this will in turn make everyone and thing into better things.. but in reality, the only thing we can control is ourselves and try and be a positive influence towards others in hopes they comply in kind for good things so avoidable dumb things can be avoided and not occur.

Electric_Delta wrote:

At no point did I excuse any type of American government policies regarding anything. The fact is, these people COMPLETELY overreacted to an accident and people were MURDERED. You are trying to rationalize murder and mob mentality. If these actions weren't barbaric, I don't know what is.

Okay, countries and people through history have done bad things. This week, some people were murdered over an accident. That's what we're discussing. Let's not whitewash and rationalize this. This is indefensible.

Electric_Delta

Jason P wrote:

So if a group of religious people try to pass a law requiring an ultrasound before an abortion it's OK to attack a faith but if another faith goes into full-scale riot because a book was accidentally burned we cannot judge?

Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue ...

Hope you aren't surprised.