Grateful Dead Pearl Jam so alike but different

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  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    weekapaug19 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    reedrothchild wrote:
    plus there's nothing to see at a PJ show form a visual standpoint. The lights are minimal and the guys are in their 40's now.

    you don't go to too many shows do you?

    i'm pretty sure he's been to enough shows to know a good light show when he see's one, and pearl jam does not have a good light show

    No, he's saying that the band isn't entertaining on stage.
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  • battan1120
    battan1120 Posts: 310
    http://www.archive.org/details/gd1983-1 ... eok.flac16

    heres a MOTB audience from 1983.Whats not to like about this.maybe Deadheads appreciate live music a little more,,,just sayin'

    http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-0 ... 351.flac16
    not every Dead or PJ show exists in a board,as for me I'm thankful for those who have been taping for the last 40 years :D
    The bus came by and I got on!!!!!
  • merkinball
    merkinball Posts: 2,262
    helplessdancer wrote:
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Love Pearl Jam. Love the Dead. But there's nobody in Pearl Jam as annoying as Donna Jean.

    um except maybe...and?
    February 3, 1978
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    get it if u dont got it :geek:

    Just pulled it up on spotify (all the Dick's Pick's are there).

    Love the mellow intro to Bertha. I'll let you know what I think of the rest.
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  • StillHere
    StillHere Posts: 7,795
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Love Pearl Jam. Love the Dead. But there's nobody in Pearl Jam as annoying as Donna Jean.

    everyone seems to say that
    but i loved her!
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  • Cob
    Cob Posts: 858
    Okay, I will chime in, I saw Grateful Dead with Jerry Garcia 169 times and have seen PJ about 40, there are some similarities, but one that no one has mentioned is their tickets systems. The Grateful Dead had a well oiled machine of a mail order ticket system that they still use to this day, it was easy to use, you just followed the instructions given and you were fine.

    You got nice looking tickets also with art work, not some crappy computer generated ticket. As far as popularity and I'm not talking about the quality of the music, but pure number of fans, it's not even close, Grateful Dead wins that one hands down. As far as why would you want some "crappy" audience recording of a show, maybe for Pearl Jam, but as far as Grateful Dead, there are PLENTY of good unofficial soundboards and audience tapes out there that sound just fine.

    As I have said before there are similarities, but it's almost like comparing apples to cannon balls. What other band could Tour for 7-8 years straight without making a studio album? As Bill Graham once said about the Grateful Dead.

    "The Grateful Dead aren't the best at what they do, there the only ones that do what they do."

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  • reedrothchild
    reedrothchild Posts: 635
    weekapaug19 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    reedrothchild wrote:
    plus there's nothing to see at a PJ show form a visual standpoint. The lights are minimal and the guys are in their 40's now.

    you don't go to too many shows do you?

    i'm pretty sure he's been to enough shows to know a good light show when he see's one, and pearl jam does not have a good light show

    No, he's saying that the band isn't entertaining on stage.[/quote]

    i was mostly throwing out a dig on PJ's light show, but you're right I was also alluding to the fact that they aren't that entertaining on stage anymore. i mean PJ in the 90's was a show to behold as far stage presence and now there really isn't much to see. That's why it would be sick if they had an awesome light show. I don't know what a lot of shows is to you. I probably go to about 40 or so a year and have seen PJ 31 times. By no means is that a ton, but after being up close a few times I'm happy to be back near the soundboard where the best sound is.
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  • reedrothchild
    reedrothchild Posts: 635
    Cob wrote:
    Okay, I will chime in, I saw Grateful Dead with Jerry Garcia 169 times and have seen PJ about 40, there are some similarities, but one that no one has mentioned is their tickets systems. The Grateful Dead had a well oiled machine of a mail order ticket system that they still use to this day, it was easy to use, you just followed the instructions given and you were fine.

    You got nice looking tickets also with art work, not some crappy computer generated ticket. As far as popularity and I'm not talking about the quality of the music, but pure number of fans, it's not even close, Grateful Dead wins that one hands down. As far as why would you want some "crappy" audience recording of a show, maybe for Pearl Jam, but as far as Grateful Dead, there are PLENTY of good unofficial soundboards and audience tapes out there that sound just fine.

    As I have said before there are similarities, but it's almost like comparing apples to cannon balls. What other band could Tour for 7-8 years straight without making a studio album? As Bill Graham once said about the Grateful Dead.

    "The Grateful Dead aren't the best at what they do, there the only ones that do what they do."

    No if you excuse me I have to go listen to my new Dave's Picks 5/25/1977!

    That new Dick's Picks is the heat!

    RedMosquito22: You don't seem like you really want to have a debate, but I dare you to listen to the PJ Bonnaroo audience recording and then listen to The Official Bootleg. Go in with an open mind and put that shit on your home stereo with some good headphones and you'll see what myself and others are talking about!
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  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    I don't really care about a festival recording that PJ wasn't in control of to be quite honest. Nor do I or PJ want hundreds of people creating thousands upon thousands of copies of their show.

    The internet is way too powerful for the band to allow this. Sorry. There really isn't a debate. If you want to record with your little zoom recorder go for it.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    I don't really care about a festival recording that PJ wasn't in control of to be quite honest. Nor do I or PJ want hundreds of people creating thousands upon thousands of copies of their show.

    The internet is way too powerful for the band to allow this. Sorry. There really isn't a debate. If you want to record with your little zoom recorder go for it.

    I'll ask again..Since when does PJ not allow taping and free trading of their shows?
  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    DewieCox wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    I don't really care about a festival recording that PJ wasn't in control of to be quite honest. Nor do I or PJ want hundreds of people creating thousands upon thousands of copies of their show.

    The internet is way too powerful for the band to allow this. Sorry. There really isn't a debate. If you want to record with your little zoom recorder go for it.

    I'll ask again..Since when does PJ not allow taping and free trading of their shows?

    The point being they don't allow professional recording gear inside like the dead used to with big boom mic's etc.
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  • StillHere
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    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    I don't really care about a festival recording that PJ wasn't in control of to be quite honest. Nor do I or PJ want hundreds of people creating thousands upon thousands of copies of their show.

    The internet is way too powerful for the band to allow this. Sorry. There really isn't a debate. If you want to record with your little zoom recorder go for it.

    I'll ask again..Since when does PJ not allow taping and free trading of their shows?

    The point being they don't allow professional recording gear inside like the dead used to with big boom mic's etc.

    that's the difference, yup

    i have some damned great Dead recordings in my archives :)
    peace,
    jo

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  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    StillHere wrote:
    i have some damned great Dead recordings in my archives :)

    And I have the PJ 2000 and 2003 boots.
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  • StillHere
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    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    StillHere wrote:
    i have some damned great Dead recordings in my archives :)

    And I have the PJ 2000 and 2003 boots.

    which ones? the officials?

    i think i have them all, but always looking for more :)
    peace,
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,813
    battan1120 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Why would you want to tape a PJ show when they are all available at 1,000 times better quality?.

    Just not for Eddie shows.
    theres nothing better than getting to listen to the show you were at when you get home.Plus have you ever listened to a bootleg from a dead show?I'm not talking 1967.FOB aka Mouth of the Beast tapes smoke.FOB front of board.last i knew your not walking out of PJ show with a cd unlike at a Furthur show

    I have Dead Boots that sound 100 times better then anything PJ has ever put out themselves , i can't even listen to PJ boots anymore ...
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  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    josevolution wrote:
    battan1120 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Why would you want to tape a PJ show when they are all available at 1,000 times better quality?.

    Just not for Eddie shows.
    theres nothing better than getting to listen to the show you were at when you get home.Plus have you ever listened to a bootleg from a dead show?I'm not talking 1967.FOB aka Mouth of the Beast tapes smoke.FOB front of board.last i knew your not walking out of PJ show with a cd unlike at a Furthur show

    I have Dead Boots that sound 100 times better then anything PJ has ever put out themselves , i can't even listen to PJ boots anymore ...

    Ok. I'm sure they are great.
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  • Olivavu
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    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Why would you want to tape a PJ show when they are all available at 1,000 times better quality?

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Love Pearl Jam. Love the Dead. But there's nobody in Pearl Jam as annoying as Donna Jean.
    Well, technically she isn't in PJ, but have you heard Hunger Strike w/ Corin Tucker?

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  • dan46er
    dan46er Posts: 157
    Difference: Sheer number of shows the Dead played vs. PJ... The Dead were seemingly on the road!
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Jason P wrote:
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Love Pearl Jam. Love the Dead. But there's nobody in Pearl Jam as annoying as Donna Jean.
    Well, technically she isn't in PJ, but have you heard Hunger Strike w/ Corin Tucker?

    ;):D

    I haven't listened to much Dead for comparison, but Boom can be kinda annoying sometimes.
  • merkinball
    merkinball Posts: 2,262
    merkinball wrote:
    helplessdancer wrote:
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Love Pearl Jam. Love the Dead. But there's nobody in Pearl Jam as annoying as Donna Jean.

    um except maybe...and?
    February 3, 1978
    dicks picks 18

    get it if u dont got it :geek:

    Just pulled it up on spotify (all the Dick's Pick's are there).

    Love the mellow intro to Bertha. I'll let you know what I think of the rest.

    OK - this is a great pick, listened to it a few times (back to Minglewood Blues now). Really good harmonies by Donna, and she doesn't go wailing in Playin'.
    "You're no help," he told the lime. This was unfair. It was only a lime; there was nothing special about it at all. It was doing the best it could.

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