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battan1120battan1120 Posts: 310
edited May 2012 in Other Music
Let me start by saying I'm a Deadhead first seeing over 200 shows.Both of these part of my life.Obands have had a profound influence in my life with Pearl Jam being the latter utside of the music styles these bands for me are so alike.

PJ has gone through drummers like the Dead have gone through keyboardists.
Brent smoked on the B3 Hammond as does Boom
both bands have had what I call the Primal Years...PJ 92-98 Dead 69-71
Jerrys power ballads Comes a Time,Stella Blue,Morning Dew to PJ Release,Faithful,Present Tense
deadhead jamheads jammers will follow them anywhere,lives may revolve around the next tour
bootlegs,why PJ does'nt allow taping is beyond me
pre order tix to shows through mail order,the dead were the best at doing it
and most importantly THE LOVE THESES 2 BANDS BRING!!! They may not be spot on every night but they touch us somewhere every time they play

for this I am thankful and grateful for the 2 best bands to ever play live music!!

whats your take?
The bus came by and I got on!!!!!
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    Why would you want to tape a PJ show when they are all available at 1,000 times better quality?.

    Just not for Eddie shows.
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  • battan1120battan1120 Posts: 310
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Why would you want to tape a PJ show when they are all available at 1,000 times better quality?.

    Just not for Eddie shows.
    theres nothing better than getting to listen to the show you were at when you get home.Plus have you ever listened to a bootleg from a dead show?I'm not talking 1967.FOB aka Mouth of the Beast tapes smoke.FOB front of board.last i knew your not walking out of PJ show with a cd unlike at a Furthur show
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  • curlycurly Posts: 703
    well said as these are my favorite two also...
  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    battan1120 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Why would you want to tape a PJ show when they are all available at 1,000 times better quality?.

    Just not for Eddie shows.
    theres nothing better than getting to listen to the show you were at when you get home.Plus have you ever listened to a bootleg from a dead show?I'm not talking 1967.FOB aka Mouth of the Beast tapes smoke.FOB front of board.last i knew your not walking out of PJ show with a cd unlike at a Furthur show

    I have no interest in hearing terrible quality bootlegs anymore. Why? Because I don't have to. Nor have I ever had any interest.

    By the way there are tons of quality recorders now that you can sneak into shows. no you cant bring in your boom mic with the feather cover and your gigantic boom box tape recorder.

    I go to shows to listen to the band not hold a microphone in the air for 3 hours pissing people off behind me.
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  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    i love The Dead
    and I love Pearl Jam
    and I love live tapings
    the quality is not up to par with soundboard, yes, agreed
    but if you are there, and you or your friends tape the show...there's nothing better years down the road
    that being said...i sure wish that sound technology had been a lot better back when we were taping Dead shows :)

    Great post....my two best loves as well
    peace,
    jo

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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    The only thing the 2 bands have in common is the type of popularity, and even then GD were on a whole other level.

    When did PJ ever say they don't allow taping? Audience recording still pop up for a big portion of their shows.
  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    DewieCox wrote:
    The only thing the 2 bands have in common is the type of popularity, and even then GD were on a whole other level.

    When did PJ ever say they don't allow taping? Audience recording still pop up for a big portion of their shows.

    we sure have access to a lot of them, don't we?
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  • helplessdancerhelplessdancer Posts: 5,272
    i posted this on the porch recently, after reading the pj20 book

    may 13th PJ setlist 1993
    slims san fransisco
    Animal
    Go
    Even Flow
    Blood
    Daughter
    W.M.A.
    Dissident
    Why Go
    Alive
    Hard To Imagine
    Rearviewmirror
    Better Man
    Dirty Frank
    Rats
    Baba O'Riley
    Once
    Jeremy (Tearing) / Porch (Girls Just Want To Have Fun)
    Release
    Alone / Whipping (Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap)
    Leash

    Jeff and his brother drive to Vegas right after the show and catch at least 1 of the 3 shows
    here's the setlist to that 1st show. sting was the opener that year
    makes me wonder if jeff actually saw all 3 shows in vegas that summer
    and what other ones he might have seen 8-)

    thanks for sharing that with us jeff


    grateful dead
    Sam Boyd Silver Bowl, Las Vegas, NV (Friday, 5/14/93)
    Cold Rain and Snow
    Wang Dang Doodle
    Lazy River Road
    Queen Jane
    Ramble On Rose
    Black Throated Wind
    Liberty

    Scarlet Begonias ->
    Fire on the Mountain
    Long Way to go Home
    Corina
    Uncle John's Band ->
    Drums ->
    Space ->
    I Need a Miracle ->
    Standing on the Moon ->
    Sugar Magnolia

    I Fought the Law
  • reedrothchildreedrothchild Posts: 571
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Why would you want to tape a PJ show when they are all available at 1,000 times better quality?.

    Just not for Eddie shows.

    the quality of PJ's current official live recordings are pretty terrible compared to the ones from 2000 and 2003. The Bonnaroo AUD is 1000 times better than the official boot. A good AUD trumps a SBD any day. IF PJ had a real taping policy and people could bring rigs in then you wouldn't think the quality is much better on the offical releases. AUD rule because you get tohear what the show actually sounds like.
    "What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
  • reedrothchildreedrothchild Posts: 571
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    battan1120 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Why would you want to tape a PJ show when they are all available at 1,000 times better quality?.

    Just not for Eddie shows.
    theres nothing better than getting to listen to the show you were at when you get home.Plus have you ever listened to a bootleg from a dead show?I'm not talking 1967.FOB aka Mouth of the Beast tapes smoke.FOB front of board.last i knew your not walking out of PJ show with a cd unlike at a Furthur show

    I have no interest in hearing terrible quality bootlegs anymore. Why? Because I don't have to. Nor have I ever had any interest.

    By the way there are tons of quality recorders now that you can sneak into shows. no you cant bring in your boom mic with the feather cover and your gigantic boom box tape recorder.

    I go to shows to listen to the band not hold a microphone in the air for 3 hours pissing people off behind me.

    also bands that allow taping have a designated taper's section so they're not in anyone's way. plus there's nothing to see at a PJ show form a visual standpoint. The lights are minimal and the guys are in their 40's now.
    "What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
  • merkinballmerkinball Posts: 2,262
    I'd like to see PJ start touring like the Dead did later in their career. Rather than having traditional tours, they'd set up camp in a city for a weekend, and play Friday/Saturday/Sunday nights. Made for a great weekend.
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  • reedrothchildreedrothchild Posts: 571
    merkinball wrote:
    I'd like to see PJ start touring like the Dead did later in their career. Rather than having traditional tours, they'd set up camp in a city for a weekend, and play Friday/Saturday/Sunday nights. Made for a great weekend.

    this would be great.
    "What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
  • weekapaug19weekapaug19 Posts: 2,293
    reedrothchild wrote:
    merkinball wrote:
    I'd like to see PJ start touring like the Dead did later in their career. Rather than having traditional tours, they'd set up camp in a city for a weekend, and play Friday/Saturday/Sunday nights. Made for a great weekend.

    this would be great.

    3 nights at Bader field (june 15-17) splitting headlining duties would be nice
  • FenwayFaithfulFenwayFaithful Posts: 8,626
    Love Pearl Jam. Love the Dead. But there's nobody in Pearl Jam as annoying as Donna Jean.
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    edited February 2012
    reedrothchild wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    Why would you want to tape a PJ show when they are all available at 1,000 times better quality?.

    Just not for Eddie shows.

    the quality of PJ's current official live recordings are pretty terrible compared to the ones from 2000 and 2003. The Bonnaroo AUD is 1000 times better than the official boot. A good AUD trumps a SBD any day. IF PJ had a real taping policy and people could bring rigs in then you wouldn't think the quality is much better on the offical releases. AUD rule because you get tohear what the show actually sounds like.


    I love how now the quality of the boots are terrible. It's laughable and no you cant get a better recording from the crowd. That's absolutely ridiculous nor would I ever want to see recording rigs in the crowd. That's assanine and will never happen with or without their own section. You honestly think they would ever have a section in the crowd that is there to make a profit off of the show. That's hilarious.

    People act like this in 1970 where these boots got into the hands of like 50 people. This is 2012 where all it takes is one person to sell thousands of illegal copies.

    I think you guys have taken one too many hits of acid at dead shows.
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    reedrothchild wrote:
    plus there's nothing to see at a PJ show form a visual standpoint. The lights are minimal and the guys are in their 40's now.

    you don't go to too many shows do you?
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  • merkinballmerkinball Posts: 2,262
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Love Pearl Jam. Love the Dead. But there's nobody in Pearl Jam as annoying as Donna Jean.

    Thank goodness. I'm picturing Evenflow or RVM w/ Donna Jean's Playin in the Band type vocals. Yikes!
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  • weekapaug19weekapaug19 Posts: 2,293
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    reedrothchild wrote:
    plus there's nothing to see at a PJ show form a visual standpoint. The lights are minimal and the guys are in their 40's now.

    you don't go to too many shows do you?

    i'm pretty sure he's been to enough shows to know a good light show when he see's one, and pearl jam does not have a good light show
  • helplessdancerhelplessdancer Posts: 5,272
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Love Pearl Jam. Love the Dead. But there's nobody in Pearl Jam as annoying as Donna Jean.

    um except maybe...and?
    February 3, 1978
    dicks picks 18

    get it if u dont got it :geek:
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    I love how now the quality of the boots are terrible. It's laughable and no you cant get a better recording from the crowd. That's absolutely ridiculous nor would I ever want to see recording rigs in the crowd. That's assanine and will never happen with or without their own section. You honestly think they would ever have a section in the crowd that is there to make a profit off of the show. That's hilarious.

    People act like this in 1970 where these boots got into the hands of like 50 people. This is 2012 where all it takes is one person to sell thousands of illegal copies.

    I think you guys have taken one too many hits of acid at dead shows.

    Do mods shut down links to audience recordings? I know when I got the PJ20 recordings it was by clicking on a link in one of the review threads. I'm pretty sure there's still a pretty open taping policy.

    There's quite a few people that prefer audience recordings for whatever reason. I prefer soundboards when they're done right, but the quality of some of the official boots I've heard is pretty comparable to good audience recordings, and often times much closer to what the the show actually songs like from the audience standpoint.
  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    weekapaug19 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    reedrothchild wrote:
    plus there's nothing to see at a PJ show form a visual standpoint. The lights are minimal and the guys are in their 40's now.

    you don't go to too many shows do you?

    i'm pretty sure he's been to enough shows to know a good light show when he see's one, and pearl jam does not have a good light show

    No, he's saying that the band isn't entertaining on stage.
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  • battan1120battan1120 Posts: 310
    http://www.archive.org/details/gd1983-1 ... eok.flac16

    heres a MOTB audience from 1983.Whats not to like about this.maybe Deadheads appreciate live music a little more,,,just sayin'

    http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-0 ... 351.flac16
    not every Dead or PJ show exists in a board,as for me I'm thankful for those who have been taping for the last 40 years :D
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  • merkinballmerkinball Posts: 2,262
    helplessdancer wrote:
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Love Pearl Jam. Love the Dead. But there's nobody in Pearl Jam as annoying as Donna Jean.

    um except maybe...and?
    February 3, 1978
    dicks picks 18

    get it if u dont got it :geek:

    Just pulled it up on spotify (all the Dick's Pick's are there).

    Love the mellow intro to Bertha. I'll let you know what I think of the rest.
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  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Love Pearl Jam. Love the Dead. But there's nobody in Pearl Jam as annoying as Donna Jean.

    everyone seems to say that
    but i loved her!
    peace,
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  • CobCob Posts: 857
    Okay, I will chime in, I saw Grateful Dead with Jerry Garcia 169 times and have seen PJ about 40, there are some similarities, but one that no one has mentioned is their tickets systems. The Grateful Dead had a well oiled machine of a mail order ticket system that they still use to this day, it was easy to use, you just followed the instructions given and you were fine.

    You got nice looking tickets also with art work, not some crappy computer generated ticket. As far as popularity and I'm not talking about the quality of the music, but pure number of fans, it's not even close, Grateful Dead wins that one hands down. As far as why would you want some "crappy" audience recording of a show, maybe for Pearl Jam, but as far as Grateful Dead, there are PLENTY of good unofficial soundboards and audience tapes out there that sound just fine.

    As I have said before there are similarities, but it's almost like comparing apples to cannon balls. What other band could Tour for 7-8 years straight without making a studio album? As Bill Graham once said about the Grateful Dead.

    "The Grateful Dead aren't the best at what they do, there the only ones that do what they do."

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  • reedrothchildreedrothchild Posts: 571
    weekapaug19 wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    reedrothchild wrote:
    plus there's nothing to see at a PJ show form a visual standpoint. The lights are minimal and the guys are in their 40's now.

    you don't go to too many shows do you?

    i'm pretty sure he's been to enough shows to know a good light show when he see's one, and pearl jam does not have a good light show

    No, he's saying that the band isn't entertaining on stage.[/quote]

    i was mostly throwing out a dig on PJ's light show, but you're right I was also alluding to the fact that they aren't that entertaining on stage anymore. i mean PJ in the 90's was a show to behold as far stage presence and now there really isn't much to see. That's why it would be sick if they had an awesome light show. I don't know what a lot of shows is to you. I probably go to about 40 or so a year and have seen PJ 31 times. By no means is that a ton, but after being up close a few times I'm happy to be back near the soundboard where the best sound is.
    "What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
  • reedrothchildreedrothchild Posts: 571
    Cob wrote:
    Okay, I will chime in, I saw Grateful Dead with Jerry Garcia 169 times and have seen PJ about 40, there are some similarities, but one that no one has mentioned is their tickets systems. The Grateful Dead had a well oiled machine of a mail order ticket system that they still use to this day, it was easy to use, you just followed the instructions given and you were fine.

    You got nice looking tickets also with art work, not some crappy computer generated ticket. As far as popularity and I'm not talking about the quality of the music, but pure number of fans, it's not even close, Grateful Dead wins that one hands down. As far as why would you want some "crappy" audience recording of a show, maybe for Pearl Jam, but as far as Grateful Dead, there are PLENTY of good unofficial soundboards and audience tapes out there that sound just fine.

    As I have said before there are similarities, but it's almost like comparing apples to cannon balls. What other band could Tour for 7-8 years straight without making a studio album? As Bill Graham once said about the Grateful Dead.

    "The Grateful Dead aren't the best at what they do, there the only ones that do what they do."

    No if you excuse me I have to go listen to my new Dave's Picks 5/25/1977!

    That new Dick's Picks is the heat!

    RedMosquito22: You don't seem like you really want to have a debate, but I dare you to listen to the PJ Bonnaroo audience recording and then listen to The Official Bootleg. Go in with an open mind and put that shit on your home stereo with some good headphones and you'll see what myself and others are talking about!
    "What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    I don't really care about a festival recording that PJ wasn't in control of to be quite honest. Nor do I or PJ want hundreds of people creating thousands upon thousands of copies of their show.

    The internet is way too powerful for the band to allow this. Sorry. There really isn't a debate. If you want to record with your little zoom recorder go for it.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    I don't really care about a festival recording that PJ wasn't in control of to be quite honest. Nor do I or PJ want hundreds of people creating thousands upon thousands of copies of their show.

    The internet is way too powerful for the band to allow this. Sorry. There really isn't a debate. If you want to record with your little zoom recorder go for it.

    I'll ask again..Since when does PJ not allow taping and free trading of their shows?
  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    DewieCox wrote:
    RedMosquito22 wrote:
    I don't really care about a festival recording that PJ wasn't in control of to be quite honest. Nor do I or PJ want hundreds of people creating thousands upon thousands of copies of their show.

    The internet is way too powerful for the band to allow this. Sorry. There really isn't a debate. If you want to record with your little zoom recorder go for it.

    I'll ask again..Since when does PJ not allow taping and free trading of their shows?

    The point being they don't allow professional recording gear inside like the dead used to with big boom mic's etc.
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