26 Things Non-Paul Voters Are Basically Saying

Nevermind90

wont bother to read the thread but I can answer it myself, they pretty much say they are 100% <cough> retarded <cough>...

mikepegg44

SweetChildofMine wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

SweetChildofMine wrote:

I don't follow the specific antics of Ron Paul. I have though see him flip flop political views in the matter of flipping from news channel to news channel. Which has turned me off completely.

then surely you can give an example of a flipflop.

This is a flip flop:

I watch so much bs it was a flip flop on a GOP policy like the rest of them. I flipped from news channel to another and viola! he was speaking live against just what I saw him speak live for. Sorry, I didnt write it down, it was last year at this time. Thats all I remember, after that point it was enough for me to turn him off.

A specific on the issue, I dont remember. I do remember when I first see him speak I was like wow! nice guy, flipped the channel and said holy crap was I wrong! Channel flipping from MSNBC to Fox.

unless you can specifically mention what it was, it didn't happen.

seriously...you don't just get to come on here and say he flip flopped and not give AT LEAST one example of how.

mikepegg44

SweetChildofMine wrote:

Young voters are enamored by his lies.

which lies?

mikepegg44

I want to be spoken to like this: “My fellow Americans, you are the awesomest of the awesome, and the only reason anyone in the world might be unhappy with your government is because of your sheer awesomeness.


If someone has a drug problem, prison rape is the best solution I can think of.


I think it’s a good idea to vote for Mitt Romney, whose top three donors are Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, and Morgan Stanley, and a bad idea to vote for Ron Paul, whose top three donors are the U.S. Army, the U.S. Navy, and the U.S. Air Force.

I like reading Tom Woods. He gets fired up a lot...and he nailed it with this list


RON PAUL WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID OR SOCIAL SECURITY for those currently on it. and will phase people out and allow those in the future to opt out at a young age. There are ways to fund these programs people have become dependent on and he starts by saying ending the wars and bringing the troops home will cover most of it...what a moron. Can we please stop with the medicare medicaid demagoguery.

SweetChildofMine

I think he is a fraud. Sorry.

I dont particullarly think he GOP affiliation is helping his "liberal but conservative" image. Oxymoron in itself.


I have this reoccuring picture of Jeff Dunham's puppet Walter in my head.

pandora

wish I could take a little of every candidate and roll it into one
add some common sense, omit the party baggage, and them believe my vote
and that person could really make a difference

mikepegg44

SweetChildofMine wrote:

I think he is a fraud. Sorry.

I dont particullarly think he GOP affiliation is helping his "liberal but conservative" image. Oxymoron in itself.


I have this reoccuring picture of Jeff Dunham's puppet Walter in my head.

you don't have to apologize for thinking someone is a fraud, but you must have a reason...otherwise it is simply perception from misunderstanding...I don't think anyone would call Paul a fraud save for Lawrence O'Donnell..you can call him an asshole, you can call him crazy for thinking he can actually change the GOP from the inside, you can all him misguided for wanting to return to an actual constitutionally limited government...but a fraud? not a label put on him often
honestly, this may sound a bit mean...but it is that kind of attitude...support based on perception and promises and not a record of actions that gets us into trouble as a country time and time again. GWB said he was a small government conservative and fooled a lot of people...then when it was time to vote again, the same ones who supported him as a small government conservative believed in his government expansion the second time around again and somehow thought he was still a conservative...
People thought Obama was going to change the world...why, because he SAID he was different...now that he has been proven to not be different...people will still support him...I don't understand and will never understand. This whole lesser of two evils thing will bring the end to our republic.
We have been doing things the same way for at least the last 100 years...the Federal Reserve and government economic intervention have had at least 100 years to make a difference...and they have gotten us to what we have today. Is it ok to live here...yes...could it be absolutely better...yes...and yet we as a nation continue to do things the same way and expect that to somehow create a "better" nation. I wish I didn't care about politics at all...life would be much easier.

Go Beavers

mikepegg44 wrote:

RON PAUL WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID OR SOCIAL SECURITY for those currently on it.

Maybe Ron has said more about the issue of Medicaid than what's on his web pages, but what's on them regarding Medicaid is pretty narrow and dim. On Ronnpaul.com, he hooks the 'I'm a victim of taxes' crowed with the question: "Why should anyone be forced to subsidize the medical care of others?" and then goes on to essentially say that poor people will get free healthcare through charity. He doesn't directly say that Medicaid would be gone, but that's what can be taken from it, as he also goes on about government not being involved in healthcare (as he will work to prevent 'opportunist politicians' from having any sort of unhealthy influence over out bodies).

On Ronpaul2012, the only reference to Medicaid I could see was that he wants to keep the money intended for it to not get "raided" for other things. Maybe you could see that as a flip-flop by omission.

SweetChildofMine

quote="mikepegg44"]

SweetChildofMine wrote:

WaveRyder wrote:

SweetChildofMine wrote:

I don't follow the specific antics of Ron Paul. I have though see him flip flop political views in the matter of flipping from news channel to news channel. Which has turned me off completely.

then surely you can give an example of a flipflop.

This is a flip flop:

I watch so much bs it was a flip flop on a GOP policy like the rest of them. I flipped from news channel to another and viola! he was speaking live against just what I saw him speak live for. Sorry, I didnt write it down, it was last year at this time. Thats all I remember, after that point it was enough for me to turn him off.

A specific on the issue, I dont remember. I do remember when I first see him speak I was like wow! nice guy, flipped the channel and said holy crap was I wrong! Channel flipping from MSNBC to Fox.

unless you can specifically mention what it was, it didn't happen.

seriously...you don't just get to come on here and say he flip flopped and not give AT LEAST one example of how.[/quote]

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I just did. It happened. Ive seen alot of things. The things I worry about and fight for then to see that shit is an instant toss.

SweetChildofMine

mikepegg44 wrote: RON PAUL WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID OR SOCIAL SECURITY for those currently on it.


Key words:

"for those currently on it"


What is with the attack on Social Security? A program that has been sustainable by its citizens for many years. Why? Cuz yah all cant wait to get your hands on the cash. That was also part of Bush platform if I remember correctly in 2000.

SweetChildofMine

Besides he is all into leading this 99% movement when its all about the people joining leading "the people." As far as I can see this man has been an insider for years.


I always say...... its the in information. What did you do with it?


Co-opted movement trying to make the GOP smell like a f'n rose when the smell like another dirty barrel of dead fish.


Sorry this is my opinion.

Sludge Factory

SweetChildofMine wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote: RON PAUL WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID OR SOCIAL SECURITY for those currently on it.


Key words:

"for those currently on it"


What is with the attack on Social Security? A program that has been sustainable by its citizens for many years. Why? Cuz yah all cant wait to get your hands on the cash. That was also part of Bush platform if I remember correctly in 2000.

If you think the current Social Security system is on a path of sustainability, I can't wait to see what you think 20 - 30 years from now when it is on the verge of being broken because we didn't ever do anything to fix it. People ALREADY have their hands on the cash there. Congress has already dipped their hands in the Social Security fund plenty of times.

Sludge Factory

SweetChildofMine wrote:

Besides he is all into leading this 99% movement when its all about the people joining leading "the people." As far as I can see this man has been an insider for years.


I always say...... its the in information. What did you do with it?


Co-opted movement trying to make the GOP smell like a f'n rose when the smell like another dirty barrel of dead fish.


Sorry this is my opinion.

You are welcome to your opinion, but I hope you realize there are informed opinions and misinformed opinions. Your opinions throughout this thread reek of misinformation. When asked to back up the flip flop statement you can't provide proof let alone even say what it is you saw on TV that he was flip flopping on. I would think if you felt so strongly about how much of a flip flopper Ron Paul appeared to be to you, you would actually remember what it was he was flip flopping on.

Furthermore, you are lumping Ron Paul in with the rest of the GOP party. He is, if anything, not a typical GOP establishment insider. I think the proof that the GOP itself tries to ignore and marginalize him can attest to that. Ron Paul is essentially shaking the very foundation of the GOP, not towing their line for them.

Prince Of Dorkness

Social Security is not going out of money and will be solvent as things are for decades.

Don't believe the hype spread that it's going bankrupt... it's not.

And if we would just tax the people who have the money, we'd be doing even better.

WaveRyder

SweetChildofMine wrote:

I just did. It happened. Ive seen alot of things. The things I worry about and fight for then to see that shit is an instant toss.

no you didnt.

WaveRyder

For sweetchildomine

‎"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." – Thomas Jefferson

mikepegg44

SweetChildofMine wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote: RON PAUL WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID OR SOCIAL SECURITY for those currently on it.


Key words:

"for those currently on it"


What is with the attack on Social Security? A program that has been sustainable by its citizens for many years. Why? Cuz yah all cant wait to get your hands on the cash. That was also part of Bush platform if I remember correctly in 2000.

It isn't about getting hands on THE cash...it is about getting our hands on OUR cash...I think I can do a better job investing that money than social security can offer me. If you think that Ron Paul is about the federal government getting their hands on more cash than you have never listened to him once. Cannot really have an intelligent conversation with you about him if your going to attribute stuff to him that isn't true in the least. You can find faults with his program but come on...he hasn't co-opted anything...his message has been exactly the same for 30 years and every vote and speech on the floor of the house has echoed that sentiment...the occupiers are just co-opting parts of his movement...

I am going to echo what Sludge said...if you think we are on a path to sustainability you are sadly mistaken. remember this..a million experts have said that social security on its current path is unsustainable...are you just assuming we can continue borrowing infinitely to pay for it with no repercussions? Didn't you find it strange that if we didn't raise the DEBT ceiling the administration said that we weren't going to be able to pay social security benefits...what is sustainable about infinite borrowing? Not raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with the amount of money we take in from payroll taxes and social security taxes...

from an article on the huffington post:

President Barack Obama told CBS News' Scott Pelley Tuesday that he cannot guarantee that Social Security checks will go out as planned if Democrats and Republicans fail to reach a deal to raise the debt ceiling by August 2.
"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3 if we haven't resolved this issue, because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Obama said in an interview on the CBS Evening News Tuesday evening.

from factcheck.org
Democratic Rep. Xavier Becerra of California said that he would "fight to take [Social Security] off the table" in budget negotiations, because it "hasn't contributed 1 cent to the deficit that we face today, nor 1 cent to any of the national debt, the $14.3 trillion." We take no position on whether Social Security should be cut, but it's wrong to say it's not contributing to the deficit.
Social Security benefits paid were more than payroll taxes in 2010, leading to a cash deficit of $49 billion. For 2011, the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees project a $46 billion deficit. And those figures don't include the billions more the government will have to borrow to cover that reduction in payroll taxes that was in last year's deal to extend the Bush tax cuts

yep, it certainly is a solvent program...you know...the kind of program that pays out more than it takes in

mikepegg44

Go Beavers wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

RON PAUL WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID OR SOCIAL SECURITY for those currently on it.

Maybe Ron has said more about the issue of Medicaid than what's on his web pages, but what's on them regarding Medicaid is pretty narrow and dim. On Ronnpaul.com, he hooks the 'I'm a victim of taxes' crowed with the question: "Why should anyone be forced to subsidize the medical care of others?" and then goes on to essentially say that poor people will get free healthcare through charity. He doesn't directly say that Medicaid would be gone, but that's what can be taken from it, as he also goes on about government not being involved in healthcare (as he will work to prevent 'opportunist politicians' from having any sort of unhealthy influence over out bodies).

On Ronpaul2012, the only reference to Medicaid I could see was that he wants to keep the money intended for it to not get "raided" for other things. Maybe you could see that as a flip-flop by omission.

here you go, it starts at 3:55


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqxbliegpA8

WaveRyder

mikepegg44 wrote:

SweetChildofMine wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote: RON PAUL WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID OR SOCIAL SECURITY for those currently on it.


Key words:

"for those currently on it"


What is with the attack on Social Security? A program that has been sustainable by its citizens for many years. Why? Cuz yah all cant wait to get your hands on the cash. That was also part of Bush platform if I remember correctly in 2000.

It isn't about getting hands on THE cash...it is about getting our hands on OUR cash...I think I can do a better job investing that money than social security can offer me. If you think that Ron Paul is about the federal government getting their hands on more cash than you have never listened to him once. Cannot really have an intelligent conversation with you about him if your going to attribute stuff to him that isn't true in the least. You can find faults with his program but come on...he hasn't co-opted anything...his message has been exactly the same for 30 years and every vote and speech on the floor of the house has echoed that sentiment...the occupiers are just co-opting parts of his movement...

I am going to echo what Sludge said...if you think we are on a path to sustainability you are sadly mistaken. remember this..a million experts have said that social security on its current path is unsustainable...are you just assuming we can continue borrowing infinitely to pay for it with no repercussions? Didn't you find it strange that if we didn't raise the DEBT ceiling the administration said that we weren't going to be able to pay social security benefits...what is sustainable about infinite borrowing? Not raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with the amount of money we take in from payroll taxes and social security taxes...

from an article on the huffington post:

President Barack Obama told CBS News' Scott Pelley Tuesday that he cannot guarantee that Social Security checks will go out as planned if Democrats and Republicans fail to reach a deal to raise the debt ceiling by August 2.
"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3 if we haven't resolved this issue, because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Obama said in an interview on the CBS Evening News Tuesday evening.

from factcheck.org
Democratic Rep. Xavier Becerra of California said that he would "fight to take [Social Security] off the table" in budget negotiations, because it "hasn't contributed 1 cent to the deficit that we face today, nor 1 cent to any of the national debt, the $14.3 trillion." We take no position on whether Social Security should be cut, but it's wrong to say it's not contributing to the deficit.
Social Security benefits paid were more than payroll taxes in 2010, leading to a cash deficit of $49 billion. For 2011, the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees project a $46 billion deficit. And those figures don't include the billions more the government will have to borrow to cover that reduction in payroll taxes that was in last year's deal to extend the Bush tax cuts

yep, it certainly is a solvent program...you know...the kind of program that pays out more than it takes in

to be fair, he did change his mind on capital punishment about 20 years ago.

SweetChildofMine

Why are you trying to fix something that isnt broke. Getting our hands on our cash? Social Security runs fine.


Why dont we try programs and legislation that have big piece OF OUR CASH earmarked for some blowhard superpac? I mean that would make much more sense? Why dont we try to fix and target politicians who have vested interest in capitalistic ventures which are detriment to ourselves and economy only puffing up their own means? That is the corruption in big government not grandma getting her social security check after she worked at JC Penny's for 50 years.

Bilderberg billionaire supports Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aybZBlZ9DjQ