Honestly, I think the NFL has no reason to go back to regular refs. Everyone is talking about football, everyone is going to tune in to the car wreck..i think this is a good thing for the nfl in terms of ratings, revenue dollars etc.
I heard some defensive player say(at least I think it was a defensive player)
"I like the replacement refs, they just let us play"
As a quarterback gets his helmet ripped off his head, loses part of his ear, on an illegal hit.....
Just sit down and settle with the refs..
Get it done in the next 2-3 days...
that's partly true (espescially that heyward-bey hit)...however, i heard a stat on the score this morning that pass interference calls are up 200% this year vs last...
"I like the replacement refs, they just let us play"
As a quarterback gets his helmet ripped off his head, loses part of his ear, on an illegal hit.....
That was Cortland Finnigan. Doesn't seem like the most level headed dude to get an opinion from. It's nice having him on one of the teams I'm pulling for while my Colts rebuild, but he's about as dirty as they get.
And that's gotta be a suspension for that hit on Schaab. The Broncos are the other team I'm pulling for but that was dangerous and the defender made no attempt to tackle him.
Honestly, I think the NFL has no reason to go back to regular refs. Everyone is talking about football, everyone is going to tune in to the car wreck..i think this is a good thing for the nfl in terms of ratings, revenue dollars etc.
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OK, but let's take it another step and have special guest referees like in the WWF. Just think of the level of intrigue that will be added when Commissioner McMahon ... I mean Goodell ... announces just prior to the coin toss that Bill Romanowski will the the head of officiating in a Giants / Broncos matchup.
I'd love to see Tom Coughlin argueing a call in the endzone and see Romanowski climb up on the goal post and unleash a Superfly Splash on him.
Honestly, I think the NFL has no reason to go back to regular refs. Everyone is talking about football, everyone is going to tune in to the car wreck..i think this is a good thing for the nfl in terms of ratings, revenue dollars etc.
:think:
OK, but let's take it another step and have special guest referees like in the WWF. Just think of the level of intrigue that will be added when Commissioner McMahon ... I mean Goodell ... announces just prior to the coin toss that Bill Romanowski will the the head of officiating in a Giants / Broncos matchup.
I'd love to see Tom Coughlin argueing a call in the endzone and see Romanowski climb up on the goal post and unleash a Superfly Splash on him.
In Monday's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game.
Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball.
While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.
When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.
Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.
Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.
The result of the game is final.
Applicable rules to the play are as follows:
A player (or players) jumping in the air has not legally gained possession of the ball until he satisfies the elements of a catch listed here.
Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 of the NFL Rule Book defines a catch:
A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).
When a player (or players) is going to the ground in the attempt to catch a pass, Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 states:
Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states:
Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
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Any moron with eyes can see that this was not a case of simultaneous catch.
We're not dealing with just any morons here, though. When did these guys start preparing for the season? It can't be that hard to officiate a football game.
By the naked eye it was definitely Jennings ball, but if you go by the rule, there was one angle where it could've been a simultaneous catch. It just wasn't the angle of either of the refs standing a foot away from the play. Tate got his hands on it about the same time that it went to Jennings chest. When they came down it was clear who had more control.
People keep focusing on the catch, but I think the missed pass interference was a much more egregious no call. I know it's never called, but it's never that blatant either.
Any moron with eyes can see that this was not a case of simultaneous catch.
We're not dealing with just any morons here, though. When did these guys start preparing for the season? It can't be that hard to officiate a football game.
By the naked eye it was definitely Jennings ball, but if you go by the rule, there was one angle where it could've been a simultaneous catch. It just wasn't the angle of either of the refs standing a foot away from the play. Tate got his hands on it about the same time that it went to Jennings chest. When they came down it was clear who had more control.
People keep focusing on the catch, but I think the missed pass interference was a much more egregious no call. I know it's never called, but it's never that blatant either.
I think what makes me more angry than the original call - because yes that happens even with the real refs - is that they reviewed the play and still missed it. There was more than enough evidence to overturn the touchdown call. What is also confusing is that they could have looked at it as though they were reviewing the touchback call - why did they ignore that ref? Maybe I'm missing something there.
I agree with you about the off. pass interference. It was completely and totally blatant, they should not have missed that, but since it's not a reviewable play there's nothing they can do about it now.
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I think what makes me more angry than the original call - because yes that happens even with the real refs - is that they reviewed the play and still missed it. There was more than enough evidence to overturn the touchdown call. What is also confusing is that they could have looked at it as though they were reviewing the touchback call - why did they ignore that ref? Maybe I'm missing something there.
I agree with you about the off. pass interference. It was completely and totally blatant, they should not have missed that, but since it's not a reviewable play there's nothing they can do about it now.
Yeah, I'm not sure how they settled on the TD call, but I think once that call was made their hands were tied on that part too. Once they decided on it was a TD their doom was set, though I don't really know why.
The replay rules need an overhaul, with the Ravens FG and this game along with many others this season and past season I'm sure as well. They need to perfect it without needing to do it so often, and make more parts reviewable when they do it. Why wasn't possession reviewable last night and why can't over the uprights be reviewed. Put 2 fucking cameras on the top and point them straight up if thats what it takes.
Does every scoring play need reviewed? No, but if they are gonna do it shouldn't they be reviewing plays that are possible scores? Those should be automatic reviews if they're gonna do the most obvious shit. That would be counterproductive to my original point, but that would be an improvement in my eyes.
Every turnover? Again, no. Sometimes it's just obvious and that's a situation where it should be up to the coach to toss the flag if it's in question.
They could just give coaches 4 challenges and drop the booth reviews during the last 2 minutes of halves. Still charge the timeout for unsuccessful challenges and drop the bonus for getting both right.
My main problem with the replay system is this: IT'S JUST AN EXCUSE TO GO TO COMMERCIAL. Look I'm all for getting the calls right and for the most part, the replay system does this. But we don't need the whole coach throws a red flag, dude goes under the hood to check it, and 7 minutes later, we're back to playing football. It's a fucking joke.
How it should be done: the guys in the replay booth should buzz down to the officials on bad calls and make the official change it. That's it. It would take 30 seconds. The ref can say "I've been informed by the replay official that the runner was down by contact." And the game continues! No 7 minute wait.
The end of Super Bowl 43 is the definitive evidence that this can be the way it's done. Kurt Warner fumbled on the last play of the game trying to get off a hail mary. It was a very close call because Warner's arm appeared to be moving forward. When you re-watch this play, you see Warner was already losing possession of the ball before he started to throw. So the fumble call was correct. BUT...they didn't do the long-ass review. They just sent out the Steelers to take a knee. Al Michaels said "they looked at it upstairs, confirmed it was a fumble (Roethlisberger kneels), and the Pittsburgh Steelers become the first team to win six Super Bowls."
My point is: if they can quickly look at the LAST PLAY OF THE SUPER BOWL to confirm it was a fumble, there's no reason for a 7 minute review of the spot of the ball in a mid-season Browns/Bengals tilt.
best way for replay to be used is how the nhl does things.
the NFL system is the dumbest thing ever created
last night since the ruling on the field was a TD, the only thing that could have been reviewed was whether or not the seattle player had his feet in with possession. which team made the catch was not reviewable. how the hell does that make any sense whatsoever?????????????????????????
I'm still in awe of how a 5'10" WR had the ability to redirect a CB backing into him 5 yards the other way just by pushing with no flexing in his arms. It was clearly Interference, but perhaps the official decided to choose that very moment to put his foot down and not call it because it seems like #37 embellished? Or the ref had no effing idea what he was doing. Probably choice 2.
I'm still in awe of how a 5'10" WR had the ability to redirect a CB backing into him 5 yards the other way just by pushing with no flexing in his arms.
You ever have some guy expectantly push you in the back when you're looking up into the sky? I think most people would have gone flying there. What a crazy no-call.
I'm still in awe of how a 5'10" WR had the ability to redirect a CB backing into him 5 yards the other way just by pushing with no flexing in his arms.
You ever have some guy expectantly push you in the back when you're looking up into the sky? I think most people would have gone flying there. What a crazy no-call.
that's what i'm trying to imagine obviously can't go up to a stranger and say yo push me in the back this much as i back into you haha...actually now that I see it again at the :46 second mark on this video and like 1.17 he was actually about to jump when he was pushed and then sort of reacted weirdly as the pile of bodies went opposite of his direction. nevermind i saw it wrong last night.
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that's partly true (espescially that heyward-bey hit)...however, i heard a stat on the score this morning that pass interference calls are up 200% this year vs last...
That was Cortland Finnigan. Doesn't seem like the most level headed dude to get an opinion from. It's nice having him on one of the teams I'm pulling for while my Colts rebuild, but he's about as dirty as they get.
And that's gotta be a suspension for that hit on Schaab. The Broncos are the other team I'm pulling for but that was dangerous and the defender made no attempt to tackle him.
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OK, but let's take it another step and have special guest referees like in the WWF. Just think of the level of intrigue that will be added when Commissioner McMahon ... I mean Goodell ... announces just prior to the coin toss that Bill Romanowski will the the head of officiating in a Giants / Broncos matchup.
I'd love to see Tom Coughlin argueing a call in the endzone and see Romanowski climb up on the goal post and unleash a Superfly Splash on him.
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post of the thread right there.
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NFL releases statement, confirms "decision not to overturn on-field ruling." NFL: "The result of the game is final."
Those complete scumbag RFs.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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WTF is OPI????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
offensive pass interference
Any moron with eyes can see that this was not a case of simultaneous catch.
I'm sick to my stomach.
hehe.....
Personally, I miss Barney...
Fuck Opi!!!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Don't think it's lack of coffee. I believe that abbreviation had it's public television debut last night.
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We're not dealing with just any morons here, though. When did these guys start preparing for the season? It can't be that hard to officiate a football game.
By the naked eye it was definitely Jennings ball, but if you go by the rule, there was one angle where it could've been a simultaneous catch. It just wasn't the angle of either of the refs standing a foot away from the play. Tate got his hands on it about the same time that it went to Jennings chest. When they came down it was clear who had more control.
People keep focusing on the catch, but I think the missed pass interference was a much more egregious no call. I know it's never called, but it's never that blatant either.
I think what makes me more angry than the original call - because yes that happens even with the real refs - is that they reviewed the play and still missed it. There was more than enough evidence to overturn the touchdown call. What is also confusing is that they could have looked at it as though they were reviewing the touchback call - why did they ignore that ref? Maybe I'm missing something there.
I agree with you about the off. pass interference. It was completely and totally blatant, they should not have missed that, but since it's not a reviewable play there's nothing they can do about it now.
Yeah, I'm not sure how they settled on the TD call, but I think once that call was made their hands were tied on that part too. Once they decided on it was a TD their doom was set, though I don't really know why.
The replay rules need an overhaul, with the Ravens FG and this game along with many others this season and past season I'm sure as well. They need to perfect it without needing to do it so often, and make more parts reviewable when they do it. Why wasn't possession reviewable last night and why can't over the uprights be reviewed. Put 2 fucking cameras on the top and point them straight up if thats what it takes.
Does every scoring play need reviewed? No, but if they are gonna do it shouldn't they be reviewing plays that are possible scores? Those should be automatic reviews if they're gonna do the most obvious shit. That would be counterproductive to my original point, but that would be an improvement in my eyes.
Every turnover? Again, no. Sometimes it's just obvious and that's a situation where it should be up to the coach to toss the flag if it's in question.
They could just give coaches 4 challenges and drop the booth reviews during the last 2 minutes of halves. Still charge the timeout for unsuccessful challenges and drop the bonus for getting both right.
My main problem with the replay system is this: IT'S JUST AN EXCUSE TO GO TO COMMERCIAL. Look I'm all for getting the calls right and for the most part, the replay system does this. But we don't need the whole coach throws a red flag, dude goes under the hood to check it, and 7 minutes later, we're back to playing football. It's a fucking joke.
How it should be done: the guys in the replay booth should buzz down to the officials on bad calls and make the official change it. That's it. It would take 30 seconds. The ref can say "I've been informed by the replay official that the runner was down by contact." And the game continues! No 7 minute wait.
The end of Super Bowl 43 is the definitive evidence that this can be the way it's done. Kurt Warner fumbled on the last play of the game trying to get off a hail mary. It was a very close call because Warner's arm appeared to be moving forward. When you re-watch this play, you see Warner was already losing possession of the ball before he started to throw. So the fumble call was correct. BUT...they didn't do the long-ass review. They just sent out the Steelers to take a knee. Al Michaels said "they looked at it upstairs, confirmed it was a fumble (Roethlisberger kneels), and the Pittsburgh Steelers become the first team to win six Super Bowls."
My point is: if they can quickly look at the LAST PLAY OF THE SUPER BOWL to confirm it was a fumble, there's no reason for a 7 minute review of the spot of the ball in a mid-season Browns/Bengals tilt.
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the NFL system is the dumbest thing ever created
last night since the ruling on the field was a TD, the only thing that could have been reviewed was whether or not the seattle player had his feet in with possession. which team made the catch was not reviewable. how the hell does that make any sense whatsoever?????????????????????????
You ever have some guy expectantly push you in the back when you're looking up into the sky? I think most people would have gone flying there. What a crazy no-call.
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