The National Football League

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Sad news about Green

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And Le'Veon Bell, what a fool if this report of him missing drug tests is true

HesCalledDyer

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

So a football that is under-inflated ruins the integrity of the game more than allowing someone to play who beats their girlfriend or wife?? Ooooookay then...

a franchise repeatedly cheating ruins the integrity of the game more than off field behavior of individuals.

Letting people who should be charged with crimes and thrown in jail represent your brand, and honoring them for their on-field achivements is less detrimental to the game's integrity than football PSI. Ooooookay then...

yes on field cheating DURING THE GAME is more detrimental to the integrity of the game than some dude getting a DUI. Johnny Manziel being a fucking idiot doesn't hurt he integrity of the GAME itself. It just means Johnny Manziel is an ass.

Pete Rose is banned for life for fucking with the integrity of the game. Others convicted of crimes are not. got it yet?

Nope. Letting criminals, abusive behavior, etc represent your brand is pretty damned detrimental. How you guys fail to see that is beyond me.
I'm not saying cheating doesn't ruin the integrity of the game. But I really don't understand how anyone can argue a 4 game suspension for football PSI is on the same level or worse than only getting 4 games for beating your wife/girlfriend or having a gun & drugs in your car during a routine traffic stop or drunk driving, etc. Both on field and off field antics ruin the integrity of the game. Look up the definition of integrity. The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles. The NFL has no morals when it comes to allowing criminals to not only play but be honored. A fucking football that is slightly underpumped doesn't ruin shit.

MayDay10

if I held up a liquor store, then went to a friend's house. We play chess. He goes to get a snack and I take 3 of his pieces off his board unbeknownst to him.
Which action hurt the integrity of the chess game more?

JK_Livin

If these criminals ruined brands, NFL teams wouldn't sniff them. As long as the bottom line is ok, they will be signed.

MayDay10

To be honest, I couldn't care less what these guys do off the field. As long as they aren't in prison or deported, let them play. Much simpler that way.


and if the air volume in footballs was no big deal.... there wouldnt be a regulation.... and someone wouldnt build an underhanded process on stealing footballs, sneaking them into a back room, letting the air out of them, then introducing them into the game

HesCalledDyer

MayDay10 said:

if I held up a liquor store, then went to a friend's house. We play chess. He goes to get a snack and I take 3 of his pieces off his board unbeknownst to him.
Which action hurt the integrity of the chess game more?

Not even a good example. For one, you and your friend are not being paid millions to represent a brand. You and your friend are not in the public eye, with millions of kids looking up to you hoping to play chess like you someday. You don't have student chess-letes now thinking "Oh, it's okay if I hold up a liquor store, I'll still get to play chess."

MayDay10

Youre kind of backing into a larger point. The nfl wants to protect its image over all else. The pats broke ranks in order to cover up cheating. Control was taken away from the nfl (during superbowl week nonetheless), therefore some of the punishment is probably punitive in light of that (and repeat offenders). Im sure the nfl wouldnt have had that circus tom brady denial press conference with his stupid hat proclaiming "we arent isis"...or the equally silly pc of belichick explaining his own homebrew science experiments he conducted.

It would have been head off, pr pros would massage it, the penalty would have been less... and it would be ancient history long ago.

Ray rice is constantly brought up as a strawman measuring stick. The nfl messed up on that one. Im sure they know it. How about guys getting suspended 4 games+ for smoking weed?

Degeneratefk

MayDay10 said:

Youre kind of backing into a larger point. The nfl wants to protect its image over all else. The pats broke ranks in order to cover up cheating. Control was taken away from the nfl (during superbowl week nonetheless), therefore some of the punishment is probably punitive in light of that (and repeat offenders). Im sure the nfl wouldnt have had that circus tom brady denial press conference with his stupid hat proclaiming "we arent isis"...or the equally silly pc of belichick explaining his own homebrew science experiments he conducted.

It would have been head off, pr pros would massage it, the penalty would have been less... and it would be ancient history long ago.

Ray rice is constantly brought up as a strawman measuring stick. The nfl messed up on that one. Im sure they know it. How about guys getting suspended 4 games+ for smoking weed?

Protect its image? Lol. Thats a joke right? How did the pats "break rank" to cover up cheating? There is still no evidence that Brady did anything wrong. If you want to nail the pats for Spygate, then you should probably have some physical evidence that they broke any rule in the first place. And if you just want to punish them, fine, take the draft pjcks. But to punish an individual player with zero evidence is not protecting the shield and it's image. It's spiteful and makes Goodell look foolish.

MayDay10

The NFL wants all the information and requires full honesty so it can have control of every situation.
Players are generally wild cards as they are technically just a contracted union. But with the 32 owners, the NFL B.O.G. expects them to always put the NFL-first. Instead, Kraft went on a crusade, cried a lot, stopped in an effort to get his way, then when he still didn't get his way, continued crying.

I'm not a Goodell fan but its plain to see what happened with this and how the Patriots handled it poorly (and that they had an obvious procedure to deflate footballs whether or not you think its a serious violation).

Degeneratefk

MayDay10 said:

The NFL wants all the information and requires full honesty so it can have control of every situation.
Players are generally wild cards as they are technically just a contracted union. But with the 32 owners, the NFL B.O.G. expects them to always put the NFL-first. Instead, Kraft went on a crusade, cried a lot, stopped in an effort to get his way, then when he still didn't get his way, continued crying.

I'm not a Goodell fan but its plain to see what happened with this and how the Patriots handled it poorly (and that they had an obvious procedure to deflate footballs whether or not you think its a serious violation).

What proof do you have that there was a procedure to deflate footballs?

Let's say there was proof of it, which there isn't, it is a minor infraction. Have you seen what past football violations were penalized? No more than $40,000 fine. That's it. No suspensions and no loss of draft picks.

MayDay10

they have video of a guy bringing them into what was an empty room. The text messages between those 2 bozos made it obvious. The destruction of the cell phone. Its a 2 year old with chocolate all over his face trying to deny he got into the cookie jar.


I just explained why it became more than a minor infraction. It was self inflicted. If the Pats were forthcoming with the NFL, there would have never been a "Deflator", destroyed cell phone, surveillance video, etc. Just a half/apology from Brady, a smile and wink, a slap on the wrist, and maybe a small rules change for 2015.

Degeneratefk

MayDay10 said:

they have video of a guy bringing them into what was an empty room. The text messages between those 2 bozos made it obvious. The destruction of the cell phone. Its a 2 year old with chocolate all over his face trying to deny he got into the cookie jar.


I just explained why it became more than a minor infraction. It was self inflicted. If the Pats were forthcoming with the NFL, there would have never been a "Deflator", destroyed cell phone, surveillance video, etc. Just a half/apology from Brady, a smile and wink, a slap on the wrist, and maybe a small rules change for 2015.

So you have text messages between 2 guys. Ok, why is Brady serving a 4 games suspension? This sounds more like a witch hunt than a true investigation. Remember, im a bills fan. I do not like the patriots. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean I think Brady should be penalized without sufficient evidence. Which the nfl does not have.

Degeneratefk

At this point Mayday, I will agree to disagree with you on this issue. I believe we are both Bills fans and will be rooting right next to you when the season starts. We seem to be going in circles about the deflate/spy gate.

Let's Go Buffalo!

Halifax2TheMax

Pats go 12-4 and win their division and the AFC championship. Who or what will you blame then? The NFL has to spread the wealth. Dynasties are frowned upon. The other 31 owners are cry babies, some more so than others, Pollan you drunk fuck, I'm looking at you.

Have you heard about the computer chip in the football being tested? Yea, sure, its all about the integrety of the game.

Jason P

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xT9pygVQwgk

Jason P

This isn't ISIS.

Fuck'n A, Tommy ...

DewieCox

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

So a football that is under-inflated ruins the integrity of the game more than allowing someone to play who beats their girlfriend or wife?? Ooooookay then...

a franchise repeatedly cheating ruins the integrity of the game more than off field behavior of individuals.

Letting people who should be charged with crimes and thrown in jail represent your brand, and honoring them for their on-field achivements is less detrimental to the game's integrity than football PSI. Ooooookay then...

yes on field cheating DURING THE GAME is more detrimental to the integrity of the game than some dude getting a DUI. Johnny Manziel being a fucking idiot doesn't hurt he integrity of the GAME itself. It just means Johnny Manziel is an ass.

Pete Rose is banned for life for fucking with the integrity of the game. Others convicted of crimes are not. got it yet?

Nope. Letting criminals, abusive behavior, etc represent your brand is pretty damned detrimental. How you guys fail to see that is beyond me.
I'm not saying cheating doesn't ruin the integrity of the game. But I really don't understand how anyone can argue a 4 game suspension for football PSI is on the same level or worse than only getting 4 games for beating your wife/girlfriend or having a gun & drugs in your car during a routine traffic stop or drunk driving, etc. Both on field and off field antics ruin the integrity of the game. Look up the definition of integrity. The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles. The NFL has no morals when it comes to allowing criminals to not only play but be honored. A fucking football that is slightly underpumped doesn't ruin shit.

You're arguing integrity of the game vs. integrity of the league. We know the league has no integrity, but if the results of the games come into question then that undermines the publication interest in the league.

Wobbie

josh gordon?

Jason P

Wobbie said:

josh gordon?

I think he finished 13th in Earnhart Jr's #88 yesterday