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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,359
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    What a horrible thing. Human trafficking is the biggest global crisis that no one talks about. 

    I'll say this, there's more to life than how your football team performs. The Patriots have been (rightly) getting praised for winning another Super Bowl, while the Steelers have been (rightly) getting criticism for the Antonio Brown drama. But while Kraft apparently has been contributing to human trafficking, Mike Tomlin has been fighting it: https://steelersdepot.com/2018/09/mike-tomlin-talks-traveling-to-haiti-to-fight-human-trafficking/
    I am unfortunately somewhat naive to it.  Obviously know it is a huge issue (and market here and other places), but not particularly aware of the extent.

    Tomlin seems like a legit dude.
    I wasn't either until I saw a gut-wrenching documentary some years ago. There's literally children that are born into being sex-slaves. Six-year-old boys and girls that spend their days in captivity as they wait for the next predator low-life to come in and rape them. It's beyond atrocious. I have great respect for Tomlin donating his time to try to help. 
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 28,863
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    What a horrible thing. Human trafficking is the biggest global crisis that no one talks about. 

    I'll say this, there's more to life than how your football team performs. The Patriots have been (rightly) getting praised for winning another Super Bowl, while the Steelers have been (rightly) getting criticism for the Antonio Brown drama. But while Kraft apparently has been contributing to human trafficking, Mike Tomlin has been fighting it: https://steelersdepot.com/2018/09/mike-tomlin-talks-traveling-to-haiti-to-fight-human-trafficking/
    I am unfortunately somewhat naive to it.  Obviously know it is a huge issue (and market here and other places), but not particularly aware of the extent.

    Tomlin seems like a legit dude.
    I wasn't either until I saw a gut-wrenching documentary some years ago. There's literally children that are born into being sex-slaves. Six-year-old boys and girls that spend their days in captivity as they wait for the next predator low-life to come in and rape them. It's beyond atrocious. I have great respect for Tomlin donating his time to try to help. 
    Ugh...jesus.

    Sooo, it reminds me of the El Chapo trial.  While I was never rooting for the guy, it almost seemed movie like.  Again, I know he was a horrible person who did horrible things, but you almost found some enjoyment in the trail and all the insane stories.  Then....they talk about how raping 13 year old girls as his "vitamins".  Fuuuuuuuck him and hang him.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,716
    pjhawks said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    Let's twist the truth Cliffy, eh?
    I didn't deny anything, just said he's not been accused of being part of a human trafficking ring as some folks reported earlier today, he is just accused of being a john. I doubt he knew that his "Masseuse" was being held against her will, same as the other johns who have been charged with solicitation. While Kraft and the other johns committed a crime, they have been charged with misdemeanors, the owners of the spas are the one charged with trafficking.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero GalaxyPosts: 17,534
    Cliffy6745 said:pjhawks said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    You do the crime you do the time.....I'm just pissed it had to happen here in South Florida, my county Palm Beach County.

    I can see the Patriots losing a 1st round pick or 2. Making him pay fine is a useless deterant.

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 28,863
    Poncier said:
    pjhawks said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    Let's twist the truth Cliffy, eh?
    I didn't deny anything, just said he's not been accused of being part of a human trafficking ring as some folks reported earlier today, he is just accused of being a john. I doubt he knew that his "Masseuse" was being held against her will, same as the other johns who have been charged with solicitation. While Kraft and the other johns committed a crime, they have been charged with misdemeanors, the owners of the spas are the one charged with trafficking.
    Again, if you are creating a market for it, you are contributing to it.

    Apparently there may be a bigger name to drop. Lotta athletes (Golfers!) in South Florida.
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    Mr. Kraft just got off the phone with Boras asking him to announce Bryce's signing!
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    Good to know that at age 77 I might still care about shooting a load.

    Might make me look at old people a little differently.  @Wobbie
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  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 6,181
    Why were the victims forced to give the cops hours of video tape before this shop was shut down?


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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,716
    Poncier said:
    pjhawks said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    Let's twist the truth Cliffy, eh?
    I didn't deny anything, just said he's not been accused of being part of a human trafficking ring as some folks reported earlier today, he is just accused of being a john. I doubt he knew that his "Masseuse" was being held against her will, same as the other johns who have been charged with solicitation. While Kraft and the other johns committed a crime, they have been charged with misdemeanors, the owners of the spas are the one charged with trafficking.


    Apparently there may be a bigger name to drop. Lotta athletes (Golfers!) in South Florida.
    Shefter has said Kraft is not the biggest name involved, but the list that's out so far has nobody else of note.

    Are any of these "spas" close to Mar a Lago?
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,359
    Poncier said:
    Poncier said:
    pjhawks said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    Let's twist the truth Cliffy, eh?
    I didn't deny anything, just said he's not been accused of being part of a human trafficking ring as some folks reported earlier today, he is just accused of being a john. I doubt he knew that his "Masseuse" was being held against her will, same as the other johns who have been charged with solicitation. While Kraft and the other johns committed a crime, they have been charged with misdemeanors, the owners of the spas are the one charged with trafficking.


    Apparently there may be a bigger name to drop. Lotta athletes (Golfers!) in South Florida.
    Shefter has said Kraft is not the biggest name involved, but the list that's out so far has nobody else of note.

    Are any of these "spas" close to Mar a Lago?
    My first thought was Tiger Woods lol
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,716
    Poncier said:
    Poncier said:
    pjhawks said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    Let's twist the truth Cliffy, eh?
    I didn't deny anything, just said he's not been accused of being part of a human trafficking ring as some folks reported earlier today, he is just accused of being a john. I doubt he knew that his "Masseuse" was being held against her will, same as the other johns who have been charged with solicitation. While Kraft and the other johns committed a crime, they have been charged with misdemeanors, the owners of the spas are the one charged with trafficking.


    Apparently there may be a bigger name to drop. Lotta athletes (Golfers!) in South Florida.
    Shefter has said Kraft is not the biggest name involved, but the list that's out so far has nobody else of note.

    Are any of these "spas" close to Mar a Lago?
    My first thought was Tiger Woods lol
    He lives close by, right?
    As does Michael Jordan I think.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 28,863
    It's gotta be Tiger....or every other PGA tour player since they all live the Jup life.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero GalaxyPosts: 17,534
    Poncier said:
    Poncier said:
    pjhawks said:
    The backstory is actually pretty horrifying too.  These girls were brought over with promises of real jobs, to become hookers by force.
    Yikes. Where did you find that info? I've just been seeing generic articles stating that Kraft has been charged...but not much else.

    can't wait to see all the Pats fans defending and/or denying this one.  you know they will...
    One already is in the Pats thread...
    Let's twist the truth Cliffy, eh?
    I didn't deny anything, just said he's not been accused of being part of a human trafficking ring as some folks reported earlier today, he is just accused of being a john. I doubt he knew that his "Masseuse" was being held against her will, same as the other johns who have been charged with solicitation. While Kraft and the other johns committed a crime, they have been charged with misdemeanors, the owners of the spas are the one charged with trafficking.


    Apparently there may be a bigger name to drop. Lotta athletes (Golfers!) in South Florida.
    Shefter has said Kraft is not the biggest name involved, but the list that's out so far has nobody else of note.

    Are any of these "spas" close to Mar a Lago?
    My first thought was Tiger Woods lol
    He lives close by, right?
    As does Michael Jordan I think.
    They have very large houses in Jupiter and I wouldn't be surprised if either one of them is involved in some way 

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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 6,022
    He’s on tape in the act according to cops

    at least there wasn’t Pee involved


























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    Watching sportscenter

    video of Kraft with Trump, Les Moonves

    waiting for him n R Kelly for the Trifecta
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    :lol:

    Kraft’s support of trump is way worse than this story.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    CROJAM95 said:

    Hahaha! Hilarious.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 10,465
    He was in the place for 14 minutes according to reports.  This becomes a big problem for Kraft if the girls appear underage, otherwise I don't believe the authorities are coming after Kraft for anything related to trafficking. I may be wrong. 
    These places are all over the country.  One keeps trying to open in my town and they keep getting shut down. 
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 16,667
    Get_Right said:
    He was in the place for 14 minutes according to reports.  This becomes a big problem for Kraft if the girls appear underage, otherwise I don't believe the authorities are coming after Kraft for anything related to trafficking. I may be wrong. 
    These places are all over the country.  One keeps trying to open in my town and they keep getting shut down. 
    They love that there are high profile people involved, it will allow them to increase visibility and hopefully help others realize that supporting this "industry" is supporting human trafficking.
    14 minutes.  Very business-like.  :)
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 9,716
    Get_Right said:
    He was in the place for 14 minutes according to reports.  This becomes a big problem for Kraft if the girls appear underage, otherwise I don't believe the authorities are coming after Kraft for anything related to trafficking. I may be wrong. 
    These places are all over the country.  One keeps trying to open in my town and they keep getting shut down. 

    14 minutes.  Very business-like.  :)
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    Are Patriots fans any different than Steelers’ fans or Ravens’ Fans or Indy fans? No, they stick with their team through thick and thin. Just win baby.
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