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Poncier

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So.  Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams.  Two in a row actually.  The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now. 

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

If Stafford wins, at this point it will be the lifetime achievement vote as he's never won it and is 37. He leads Maye and the league in TD passes. they are tied in INTs, Maye leads the league in Comp Pct and passer rating.
Tipping point should be Maye's 408 rush yards and 4 TDs to Stafford's 28 rush yds and 0 TDs coupled with the Pats having a better record than the Rams (yes, we know about the schedule) and Rams are finishing with a whimper.
Unless Maye lays an egg vs Miami Sunday, he should win.

Drake Maye is not the MVP of this league.  Don't care about the stats.  Stafford definitely deserves it over Maye.  Do you really think he has had the best season of anyone in the league?  Myles Garrett should probably win it.  But don't they give offensive and defensive awards in each conference?

The odds of a defender (or any player) on a 4-win team winning MVP are pretty slim. Your team should also win for you to prove to be the most valuable player in the league. Take Garrett away from the Browns, they drop from 4 wins to what maybe 3? Take Maye away from the Pats they drop from 13 wins (going on 14) to what, maybe 6?
Do I think Maye has had the best season of anyone in the league? It's close. He's definitely had one of the top 5 seasons of any player in the league. Maye, Stafford, Smith-Njigba, Garrett and either Taylor, Cook or Nakua would be your top 5 players this season.
From that, MVP should come down to Maye vs. Stafford. Arguments can be made for each. I stated my case above; I give Maye a slight edge currently (a week ago I would have given edge to Stafford). Could it flip back Sunday, possibly.

pjhawks

Poncier said:

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So.  Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams.  Two in a row actually.  The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now. 

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

If Stafford wins, at this point it will be the lifetime achievement vote as he's never won it and is 37. He leads Maye and the league in TD passes. they are tied in INTs, Maye leads the league in Comp Pct and passer rating.
Tipping point should be Maye's 408 rush yards and 4 TDs to Stafford's 28 rush yds and 0 TDs coupled with the Pats having a better record than the Rams (yes, we know about the schedule) and Rams are finishing with a whimper.
Unless Maye lays an egg vs Miami Sunday, he should win.

Drake Maye is not the MVP of this league.  Don't care about the stats.  Stafford definitely deserves it over Maye.  Do you really think he has had the best season of anyone in the league?  Myles Garrett should probably win it.  But don't they give offensive and defensive awards in each conference?

The odds of a defender (or any player) on a 4-win team winning MVP are pretty slim. Your team should also win for you to prove to be the most valuable player in the league. Take Garrett away from the Browns, they drop from 4 wins to what maybe 3? Take Maye away from the Pats they drop from 13 wins (going on 14) to what, maybe 6?
Do I think Maye has had the best season of anyone in the league? It's close. He's definitely had one of the top 5 seasons of any player in the league. Maye, Stafford, Smith-Njigba, Garrett and either Taylor, Cook or Nakua would be your top 5 players this season.
From that, MVP should come down to Maye vs. Stafford. Arguments can be made for each. I stated my case above; I give Maye a slight edge currently (a week ago I would have given edge to Stafford). Could it flip back Sunday, possibly.

IF you are going to use a terrible organization against Garrett shouldn't you use a terrible schedule against Maye?   I'd go with Stafford and Garrett but that's just me.

Poncier

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So.  Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams.  Two in a row actually.  The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now. 

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

If Stafford wins, at this point it will be the lifetime achievement vote as he's never won it and is 37. He leads Maye and the league in TD passes. they are tied in INTs, Maye leads the league in Comp Pct and passer rating.
Tipping point should be Maye's 408 rush yards and 4 TDs to Stafford's 28 rush yds and 0 TDs coupled with the Pats having a better record than the Rams (yes, we know about the schedule) and Rams are finishing with a whimper.
Unless Maye lays an egg vs Miami Sunday, he should win.

Drake Maye is not the MVP of this league.  Don't care about the stats.  Stafford definitely deserves it over Maye.  Do you really think he has had the best season of anyone in the league?  Myles Garrett should probably win it.  But don't they give offensive and defensive awards in each conference?

The odds of a defender (or any player) on a 4-win team winning MVP are pretty slim. Your team should also win for you to prove to be the most valuable player in the league. Take Garrett away from the Browns, they drop from 4 wins to what maybe 3? Take Maye away from the Pats they drop from 13 wins (going on 14) to what, maybe 6?
Do I think Maye has had the best season of anyone in the league? It's close. He's definitely had one of the top 5 seasons of any player in the league. Maye, Stafford, Smith-Njigba, Garrett and either Taylor, Cook or Nakua would be your top 5 players this season.
From that, MVP should come down to Maye vs. Stafford. Arguments can be made for each. I stated my case above; I give Maye a slight edge currently (a week ago I would have given edge to Stafford). Could it flip back Sunday, possibly.

IF you are going to use a terrible organization against Garrett shouldn't you use a terrible schedule against Maye?   I'd go with Stafford and Garrett but that's just me.

I mean, there have been exactly 2 defensive players in history to win AP NFL MVP (Alan Page and I Don't Card Them Taylor), so odds were stacked against Garrett anyway, but his team is 4-12. So, while he's a lock for DPOY, he doesn't have a sniff at MVP. If the Browns were 12-4 and winning most games like last week's 13-6 quagmire against the Steelers, then Garrett is in the conversation. 

As for holding the schedule against Maye and giving a nod to Stafford, conversely you should also compare their weapons, and Stafford is throwing to Nakua and Adams while Maye has Diggs and a bunch of #4 or #5 type receivers. Those things kind of cancel each other out in my opinion. 
Stafford may still win it, but he has fallen off in the most critical part of the season, and his team has gone from a firm grasp on the 1 seed after week 15 to the 6 seed as we enter week 18. The loss to Seattle is not on Stafford, but the brutal loss to Atlanta Monday is largely on Stafford.

Wobbie

Is Dak in the discussion? 🤣

tempo_n_groove

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So.  Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams.  Two in a row actually.  The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now. 

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

Because the Falcons were so good, lol...

tempo_n_groove

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So.  Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams.  Two in a row actually.  The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now. 

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

If Stafford wins, at this point it will be the lifetime achievement vote as he's never won it and is 37. He leads Maye and the league in TD passes. they are tied in INTs, Maye leads the league in Comp Pct and passer rating.
Tipping point should be Maye's 408 rush yards and 4 TDs to Stafford's 28 rush yds and 0 TDs coupled with the Pats having a better record than the Rams (yes, we know about the schedule) and Rams are finishing with a whimper.
Unless Maye lays an egg vs Miami Sunday, he should win.

Drake Maye is not the MVP of this league.  Don't care about the stats.  Stafford definitely deserves it over Maye.  Do you really think he has had the best season of anyone in the league?  Myles Garrett should probably win it.  But don't they give offensive and defensive awards in each conference?

Would you say Maye has done more with less?

Johnny Abruzzo

All the shows were saying Maye "cemented his MVP" or whatever because of his game against the Jets. That's such an encapsulation. Patriots played the Mr. Softee schedule. Doesn't mean they won't go to the Super Bowl but let's not make such a big deal about 6 TD's vs. the Jets. I'd go with Stafford. The Rams would be in the top spot without some fluky losses (yeah, Jordan Davis blocked FG included).