Why make a list - when the list has already been created inadvertently? I'm sure we're all keeping a log in our minds of who is getting a bad rep, who is getting redeemed and who are just fucking fantastic people to deal with! *Points to all of you good people!
Why make a list - when the list has already been created inadvertently? I'm sure we're all keeping a log in our minds of who is getting a bad rep, who is getting redeemed and who are just fucking fantastic people to deal with! *Points to all of you good people!
Ok, so the OP made a mistake and posted the guy's address, but that doesn't change the fact that he was seemingly wronged in the first place. It makes no sense to paint him as the villain because he made an etiquette mistake (posting the address) while calling out someone who appears to not be a trustworthy trading partner. It is to all our benefit to know who these type of traders are REGARDLESS OF VALUE.
Who knows, maybe the trading partner has good reasons, but in this world of ever connected devices is it really that hard to ask for a stinking response? If you make a deal, and your trading partner communicates, you owe a response, plain and simple. It's part of the "business deal".
Also, I think it is sort of crappy to patronize the OP.
we're on the same page here
I agree here too, my only problem as stated earlier is the whole address thing. I would be ropeable if someone put my name and address up here
I agree whole heartedly that communication is a must, and you are owed a response.
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We're all capable of policing ourselves on here (except when I'm asking for a new pancreas ) - this train slips off the rails occasionally - however i stand by the fact that a majority of us can make this function well.
I don't think someone who isn't even on the A+ traders page would be a good person to start a page like this. Like I've said before, you need someone with credibility who is willing to devote countless hours to the page and trying to settle arguments. I like the idea of a bad traders page but it will be tough to control.
Here's what I would do. Don't trade with anyone unless they are listed on the A+ page. If they aren't listed and you are, have them send the stuff first and don't send out their stuff until you receive yours. Also, don't buy any FS items unless that person is reputable.
Heil Hitler! There are people that aren't on the "exclusive" list that are resonable.
I don't think someone who isn't even on the A+ traders page would be a good person to start a page like this. Like I've said before, you need someone with credibility who is willing to devote countless hours to the page and trying to settle arguments. I like the idea of a bad traders page but it will be tough to control.
Here's what I would do. Don't trade with anyone unless they are listed on the A+ page. If they aren't listed and you are, have them send the stuff first and don't send out their stuff until you receive yours. Also, don't buy any FS items unless that person is reputable.
Heil Hitler! There are people that aren't on the "exclusive" list that are resonable.
That isn't necessary - or in good fucking taste mate.
I'm in the process of making a deal with Juan.
Nice guy!
He will be on the list soon enough!
Juan's mistake is much more forgivable then the guy who not only did
not ship but has been ducking him ever since!
Too bad this happens!
No worries Juan your album will go out today!
I'm in the process of making a deal with Juan.
Nice guy!
He will be on the list soon enough!
Juan's mistake is much more forgivable then the guy who not only did
not ship but has been ducking him ever since!
Too bad this happens!
No worries Juan your album will go out today!
I don't think someone who isn't even on the A+ traders page would be a good person to start a page like this. Like I've said before, you need someone with credibility who is willing to devote countless hours to the page and trying to settle arguments. I like the idea of a bad traders page but it will be tough to control.
Here's what I would do. Don't trade with anyone unless they are listed on the A+ page. If they aren't listed and you are, have them send the stuff first and don't send out their stuff until you receive yours. Also, don't buy any FS items unless that person is reputable.
Heil Hitler! There are people that aren't on the "exclusive" list that are resonable.
Why is it with everything that people have to create cliques? So f'in elitist. Get over yourselves.
Here's what I would do. Don't trade with anyone unless they are listed on the A+ page. If they aren't listed and you are, have them send the stuff first and don't send out their stuff until you receive yours. Also, don't buy any FS items unless that person is reputable.
a bad traders list would be helpful, but a huge sloppy mess....
but this idea of using the GTL is also flawed. someone already posted they had a good experience with parkdropper. i made a good trade with him as well. and it just takes one recommendation to get on that list. so, he couldve been on the list, if i made a posting that i made a good trade with him. then again, there are so many over at EB with flawless feedbacks, then turn around and burn the place down...
what we could do to weed out some of the bad apples is make a Good traders list and add a number behind the name (depending on the number of good recommendations from trades). if you receive 10 recommendations, you get on the gold traders list, and you move up by ten. this is how they did it over at dvdtalk (for those that trade dvds). anyone with a lower number then you sends first. again, its a system and it will be flawed as well, but it may be better than we have here...
Juan's mistake is much more forgivable then the guy who not only did
not ship but has been ducking him ever since!
Too bad this happens!
I agree.
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I have completed a number of trades, and even more purchases from the good people on this site over the past year or so and have never been wronged in any way --- quite the opposite....I find that people go overboard to be cool to one another, so I have taken that as a lead and started throwing in something extra when possible to try and keep that spirit going.
That being the case I am not on the A+++ list, how does one qualify to get there? It is tough to gauge if someone is a good seller or not, some of the transactions I have made have been for as much as $400 and I guess I have been lucky.
(Full disclosure, I have only posted folks names a few times on that A+++ thread --- stopped doing it when I didnt see the person's name go onto the list.)
And to the guy calling out a Hitler reference, you should seriously be ashamed. You have no idea who may or may not have very real and personal connections to such a comment and not use it in such a flippant manner.
I always take a picture of whatever i'm sending once it's packaged and another once it's over the counter in the post office. you're covered once you've done this. Calling people out is a little unneccesary.
And to the guy calling out a Hitler reference, you should seriously be ashamed. You have no idea who may or may not have very real and personal connections to such a comment and not use it in such a flippant manner.
It's amazing how sensitive everyone has become...PC in the Brain. To think, you can't even say Hitler's name anymore in a joke. Imagine where we'd be if you got to decide if Seinfeld could air an episode with the Soup Nazi. Everyone just needs to lighten up and stop looking for reasons to be offended all the damn time.
And to the guy calling out a Hitler reference, you should seriously be ashamed. You have no idea who may or may not have very real and personal connections to such a comment and not use it in such a flippant manner.
It's amazing how sensitive everyone has become...PC in the Brain. To think, you can't even say Hitler's name anymore in a joke. Imagine where we'd be if you got to decide if Seinfeld could air an episode with the Soup Nazi. Everyone just needs to lighten up and stop looking for reasons to be offended all the damn time.
Dont want to extend it but I am not offended -- however I know some people who would be. Agree to disagree.
Ok, so the OP made a mistake and posted the guy's address, but that doesn't change the fact that he was seemingly wronged in the first place. It makes no sense to paint him as the villain because he made an etiquette mistake (posting the address) while calling out someone who appears to not be a trustworthy trading partner. It is to all our benefit to know who these type of traders are REGARDLESS OF VALUE.
Who knows, maybe the trading partner has good reasons, but in this world of ever connected devices is it really that hard to ask for a stinking response? If you make a deal, and your trading partner communicates, you owe a response, plain and simple. It's part of the "business deal".
Also, I think it is sort of crappy to patronize the OP.
For those first few that attacked the OP... read this. It's a dose of common sense. More victim's rights... less offender's rights please.
OP... with your trading partner's blatant disrespect... you have done no harm. Some people would have others ruthlessly practice poor behaviour and leave those behaviours unchallenged- they don't like confrontation and would rather avoid it at all costs than address what needs to be addressed.
There is no protocol established for singling out shady people. With this said, I understand why you did what you did. If your partner had just fulfilled their part of the deal, or messaged you, there would have been no need for your post (he precipitated the whole thing with and forced your hand).
Ok, so the OP made a mistake and posted the guy's address, but that doesn't change the fact that he was seemingly wronged in the first place. It makes no sense to paint him as the villain because he made an etiquette mistake (posting the address) while calling out someone who appears to not be a trustworthy trading partner. It is to all our benefit to know who these type of traders are REGARDLESS OF VALUE.
Who knows, maybe the trading partner has good reasons, but in this world of ever connected devices is it really that hard to ask for a stinking response? If you make a deal, and your trading partner communicates, you owe a response, plain and simple. It's part of the "business deal".
Also, I think it is sort of crappy to patronize the OP.
For those first few that attacked the OP... read this. It's a dose of common sense. More victim's rights... less offender's rights please.
OP... with your trading partner's blatant disrespect... you have done no harm. Some people would have others ruthlessly practice poor behaviour and leave those behaviours unchallenged- they don't like confrontation and would rather avoid it at all costs than address what needs to be addressed.
There is no protocol established for singling out shady people. With this said, I understand why you did what you did. If your partner had just fulfilled their part of the deal, or messaged you, there would have been no need for your post (he precipitated the whole thing with and forced your hand).
these bad trader threads are a bad, bad deal. Maybe the moderators need to create a feedback section for user profiles that allows for both sides to provide feedback. Then others can judge for themselves if they want to trade with that person in the future if a bad trade is listed.
these bad trader threads are a bad, bad deal. Maybe the moderators need to create a feedback section for user profiles that allows for both sides to provide feedback. Then others can judge for themselves if they want to trade with that person in the future if a bad trade is listed.
i agree, I think that this is the only amicable way to do it. JUst like EBAY has. With user ratings. So this guy have 23 good trades and two bads ones. Then you can read the responses on the bad ones.
these bad trader threads are a bad, bad deal. Maybe the moderators need to create a feedback section for user profiles that allows for both sides to provide feedback. Then others can judge for themselves if they want to trade with that person in the future if a bad trade is listed.
i agree, I think that this is the only amicable way to do it. JUst like EBAY has. With user ratings. So this guy have 23 good trades and two bads ones. Then you can read the responses on the bad ones.
Good idea
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Exactly!
I agree here too, my only problem as stated earlier is the whole address thing. I would be ropeable if someone put my name and address up here
I agree whole heartedly that communication is a must, and you are owed a response.
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its very helpful though, as ebay is littered with crap these days
Heil Hitler! There are people that aren't on the "exclusive" list that are resonable.
That isn't necessary - or in good fucking taste mate.
Nice guy!
He will be on the list soon enough!
Juan's mistake is much more forgivable then the guy who not only did
not ship but has been ducking him ever since!
Too bad this happens!
No worries Juan your album will go out today!
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Why is it with everything that people have to create cliques? So f'in elitist. Get over yourselves.
a bad traders list would be helpful, but a huge sloppy mess....
but this idea of using the GTL is also flawed. someone already posted they had a good experience with parkdropper. i made a good trade with him as well. and it just takes one recommendation to get on that list. so, he couldve been on the list, if i made a posting that i made a good trade with him. then again, there are so many over at EB with flawless feedbacks, then turn around and burn the place down...
what we could do to weed out some of the bad apples is make a Good traders list and add a number behind the name (depending on the number of good recommendations from trades). if you receive 10 recommendations, you get on the gold traders list, and you move up by ten. this is how they did it over at dvdtalk (for those that trade dvds). anyone with a lower number then you sends first. again, its a system and it will be flawed as well, but it may be better than we have here...
I agree.
That being the case I am not on the A+++ list, how does one qualify to get there? It is tough to gauge if someone is a good seller or not, some of the transactions I have made have been for as much as $400 and I guess I have been lucky.
(Full disclosure, I have only posted folks names a few times on that A+++ thread --- stopped doing it when I didnt see the person's name go onto the list.)
And to the guy calling out a Hitler reference, you should seriously be ashamed. You have no idea who may or may not have very real and personal connections to such a comment and not use it in such a flippant manner.
It's amazing how sensitive everyone has become...PC in the Brain. To think, you can't even say Hitler's name anymore in a joke. Imagine where we'd be if you got to decide if Seinfeld could air an episode with the Soup Nazi. Everyone just needs to lighten up and stop looking for reasons to be offended all the damn time.
+1
+1 totally agree.
Some serious BS around here...
Dont want to extend it but I am not offended -- however I know some people who would be. Agree to disagree.
For those first few that attacked the OP... read this. It's a dose of common sense. More victim's rights... less offender's rights please.
OP... with your trading partner's blatant disrespect... you have done no harm. Some people would have others ruthlessly practice poor behaviour and leave those behaviours unchallenged- they don't like confrontation and would rather avoid it at all costs than address what needs to be addressed.
There is no protocol established for singling out shady people. With this said, I understand why you did what you did. If your partner had just fulfilled their part of the deal, or messaged you, there would have been no need for your post (he precipitated the whole thing with and forced your hand).
Thanks man - I appreciate your words.
He still hasn't replied.....
Good idea
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my 2 cents... value is irrelevant, it's the principle. one of few right on responses to this situation.
also... do you have an extra set of these pins for sale???