parkdropper

pdalowsky

Suziemay wrote:

juancor70 wrote:

I don't know what we're waiting for to start a seller's blacklist or a DO NOT TRADE list. It would be useful since a lot of people are getting screwed over trades by the same people over and over again.

You could start one

I personally am on the fence on this; everyone has a different threshold of what's acceptable, and given the track record on the forum, I fear it woud just turn out to be a giant bitch fest. Doesn't mean you (or anyone else) can't give it a go and see what happens. Guess if it gets out of control the thread will just get locked.

Sorry you're in a bad trade situation again, hope it all works out.

and herein lies the problem.....Su May - very true indeed.

ckravitz

Weird.

Ok, so the OP made a mistake and posted the guy's address, but that doesn't change the fact that he was seemingly wronged in the first place. It makes no sense to paint him as the villain because he made an etiquette mistake (posting the address) while calling out someone who appears to not be a trustworthy trading partner. It is to all our benefit to know who these type of traders are REGARDLESS OF VALUE.

Who knows, maybe the trading partner has good reasons, but in this world of ever connected devices is it really that hard to ask for a stinking response? If you make a deal, and your trading partner communicates, you owe a response, plain and simple. It's part of the "business deal".

Also, I think it is sort of crappy to patronize the OP.

pdalowsky

crazypjfan wrote:

Suziemay wrote:

juancor70 wrote:

I don't know what we're waiting for to start a seller's blacklist or a DO NOT TRADE list. It would be useful since a lot of people are getting screwed over trades by the same people over and over again.

You could start one

I personally am on the fence on this; everyone has a different threshold of what's acceptable, and given the track record on the forum, I fear it woud just turn out to be a giant bitch fest. Doesn't mean you (or anyone else) can't give it a go and see what happens. Guess if it gets out of control the thread will just get locked.

Sorry you're in a bad trade situation again, hope it all works out.

I don't think someone who isn't even on the A+ traders page would be a good person to start a page like this. Like I've said before, you need someone with credibility who is willing to devote countless hours to the page and trying to settle arguments. I like the idea of a bad traders page but it will be tough to control.

Here's what I would do. Don't trade with anyone unless they are listed on the A+ page. If they aren't listed and you are, have them send the stuff first and don't send out their stuff until you receive yours. Also, don't buy any FS items unless that person is reputable.

For the record I would certainly add Juan to the A+ traders list. Done countless trades with him - all absolutely perfect. He will go out of the way to help you and is an extremely honourable guy. No question.

juancor70

ahill721 wrote:

I just completed a transaction with user Parkdropper, I had ZERO problems with him. The user did an excellent job of following through on his end. Sorry if something went sour on your end, but I did want to let others know that the user has the ability to follow through.

I appreciate you telling me this - gives me hope that we can resolve this in a gentlemanly manner. Again - I know that there's proabably a good excuse why he didn't go through with this, I just grew tired of writing him countless emails and getting no response.

This wouldn't have happened if all he did was say "Sorry, I've been busy, I promise I'll get to this soon".

cowboypjfan

Another piece of advice...If it takes someone 3 days to respond to your trade offer and you see they read your message 3 days prior, LET IT GO and don't trade with them. You will only wait longer to get your goods.

juancor70

pdalowsky wrote:

For the record I would certainly add Juan to the A+ traders list. Done countless trades with him - all absolutely perfect. He will go out of the way to help you and is an extremely honourable guy. No question.

Thanks P. Means a lot.

2-feign-reluctance

Bugger mate :(
Hope it gets resolved so we can get back to madness as usual around here!

pdalowsky

ckravitz wrote:

Weird.

Ok, so the OP made a mistake and posted the guy's address, but that doesn't change the fact that he was seemingly wronged in the first place. It makes no sense to paint him as the villain because he made an etiquette mistake (posting the address) while calling out someone who appears to not be a trustworthy trading partner. It is to all our benefit to know who these type of traders are REGARDLESS OF VALUE.

Who knows, maybe the trading partner has good reasons, but in this world of ever connected devices is it really that hard to ask for a stinking response? If you make a deal, and your trading partner communicates, you owe a response, plain and simple. It's part of the "business deal".

Also, I think it is sort of crappy to patronize the OP.

we're on the same page here

Suziemay

crazypjfan wrote:

I don't think someone who isn't even on the A+ traders page would be a good person to start a page like this. Like I've said before, you need someone with credibility who is willing to devote countless hours to the page and trying to settle arguments. I like the idea of a bad traders page but it will be tough to control.

Here's what I would do. Don't trade with anyone unless they are listed on the A+ page. If they aren't listed and you are, have them send the stuff first and don't send out their stuff until you receive yours. Also, don't buy any FS items unless that person is reputable.

Crazy (can I call you crazy? ) I agree 100% that the list needs to be started by someone credible, but I disagree that just because someone is not on the A+ traders list they are not good traders. This is not black and white, unfortunately, which is probably why no one's attempted to start one.

cowboypjfan

Suziemay wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

I don't think someone who isn't even on the A+ traders page would be a good person to start a page like this. Like I've said before, you need someone with credibility who is willing to devote countless hours to the page and trying to settle arguments. I like the idea of a bad traders page but it will be tough to control.

Here's what I would do. Don't trade with anyone unless they are listed on the A+ page. If they aren't listed and you are, have them send the stuff first and don't send out their stuff until you receive yours. Also, don't buy any FS items unless that person is reputable.

Crazy (can I call you crazy? ) I agree 100% that the list needs to be started by someone credible, but I disagree that just because someone is not on the A+ traders list they are not good traders. This is not black and white, unfortunately, which is probably why no one's attempted to start one.

Yes, you can call me crazy. And no, I'm not as crazy as you would think

I wasn't saying that people NOT on the A+ list are bad traders. I'm sure there are people on A+ that completed a trade valued at $20(which doesn't say anything about their potential for a $1000 trade). I just think that the person that starts a bad traders page is going to have their hands full and needs to be ready for another full time job! I'm not volunteering for that bitch session

pdalowsky

It would be the worst job ever!!!

2-feign-reluctance

Why make a list - when the list has already been created inadvertently? I'm sure we're all keeping a log in our minds of who is getting a bad rep, who is getting redeemed and who are just fucking fantastic people to deal with! *Points to all of you good people!

cowboypjfan

pdalowsky wrote:

It would be the worst job ever!!!

We would have to pay them a monthly holy grail just to stick around

cowboypjfan

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

Why make a list - when the list has already been created inadvertently? I'm sure we're all keeping a log in our minds of who is getting a bad rep, who is getting redeemed and who are just fucking fantastic people to deal with! *Points to all of you good people!

Exactly!

pjfan31

pdalowsky wrote:

ckravitz wrote:

Weird.

Ok, so the OP made a mistake and posted the guy's address, but that doesn't change the fact that he was seemingly wronged in the first place. It makes no sense to paint him as the villain because he made an etiquette mistake (posting the address) while calling out someone who appears to not be a trustworthy trading partner. It is to all our benefit to know who these type of traders are REGARDLESS OF VALUE.

Who knows, maybe the trading partner has good reasons, but in this world of ever connected devices is it really that hard to ask for a stinking response? If you make a deal, and your trading partner communicates, you owe a response, plain and simple. It's part of the "business deal".

Also, I think it is sort of crappy to patronize the OP.

we're on the same page here

I agree here too, my only problem as stated earlier is the whole address thing. I would be ropeable if someone put my name and address up here

I agree whole heartedly that communication is a must, and you are owed a response.

pdalowsky

we have a bad sellers list over at pjcollectors for people selling fake shit but i think thats a bit different to what is proposed here.

its very helpful though, as ebay is littered with crap these days

2-feign-reluctance

We're all capable of policing ourselves on here (except when I'm asking for a new pancreas ) - this train slips off the rails occasionally - however i stand by the fact that a majority of us can make this function well.

crackers4870

crazypjfan » 21 Jan 2012 00:33

I don't think someone who isn't even on the A+ traders page would be a good person to start a page like this. Like I've said before, you need someone with credibility who is willing to devote countless hours to the page and trying to settle arguments. I like the idea of a bad traders page but it will be tough to control.

Here's what I would do. Don't trade with anyone unless they are listed on the A+ page. If they aren't listed and you are, have them send the stuff first and don't send out their stuff until you receive yours. Also, don't buy any FS items unless that person is reputable.

Heil Hitler! There are people that aren't on the "exclusive" list that are resonable.

2-feign-reluctance

Phantom wrote:

crazypjfan » 21 Jan 2012 00:33

I don't think someone who isn't even on the A+ traders page would be a good person to start a page like this. Like I've said before, you need someone with credibility who is willing to devote countless hours to the page and trying to settle arguments. I like the idea of a bad traders page but it will be tough to control.

Here's what I would do. Don't trade with anyone unless they are listed on the A+ page. If they aren't listed and you are, have them send the stuff first and don't send out their stuff until you receive yours. Also, don't buy any FS items unless that person is reputable.

Heil Hitler! There are people that aren't on the "exclusive" list that are resonable.

That isn't necessary - or in good fucking taste mate.

juancor70

Oh crap.... this thread will get locked now.....