Obama, Romney, Santorum all same on GAY MARRIAGE

jethrojam420

fear4freedom wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

For those against gay marriage, please answer this question.

How does gay marriage have any negative effect whatsoever on your life? I'm in Canada, and the only effect I see is loving couples get to get married, the world hasn't ended, and there hasn't been a total degradation of society as a whole...

This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do! The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution! Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far! So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80! The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own. Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label! So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority! The disease of progressivism will slowly try to persuade society to agree with gay marriage, hence, the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it! Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!

This is the same type of thoughtless "equality" that was the jim crow laws. a "civil union" is a separate but equal term for marriage. it contains the same benefits as far as the law is concerned but forever dehumanizes people who must utilize it. it says to gays that you can still take the bus to the same destination - but you must sit in the back.

peacefrompaul

jethrojam420 wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

For those against gay marriage, please answer this question.

How does gay marriage have any negative effect whatsoever on your life? I'm in Canada, and the only effect I see is loving couples get to get married, the world hasn't ended, and there hasn't been a total degradation of society as a whole...

This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do! The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution! Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far! So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80! The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own. Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label! So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority! The disease of progressivism will slowly try to persuade society to agree with gay marriage, hence, the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it! Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!

This is the same type of thoughtless "equality" that was the jim crow laws. a "civil union" is a separate but equal term for marriage. it contains the same benefits as far as the law is concerned but forever dehumanizes people who must utilize it. it says to gays that you can still take the bus to the same destination - but you must sit in the back.

Damn, well said.

fear4freedom

brianlux wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

For those against gay marriage, please answer this question.

How does gay marriage have any negative effect whatsoever on your life? I'm in Canada, and the only effect I see is loving couples get to get married, the world hasn't ended, and there hasn't been a total degradation of society as a whole...

This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do! The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution! Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far! So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80! The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own. Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label! So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority! The disease of progressivism will slowly try to persuade society to agree with gay marriage, hence, the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it! Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!

The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution!
Who's definition of marriage would that be? That makes no sense.

So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority!
No one is "forcing" their ideology on anyone. Sorry, but that statement sound paranoid. By the way, "major majority" is redundant.

So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80!
How is letting gays marry hijacking any one? And since when in America can the minority not have the same rights as the majority?

The disease of progressivism (sic)
A useless inflammatory remark that serves no purpose but to offend.

ARE YOU KIDDIN ME? GO To the dictionary and lookup marriage! The definition is quite clear! Its an institution between a man and a woman! If you dont understand that, then you wont understand anything else that comes along with that! Dont be such a bigot! You are not respecting the institution or the meaning of marriage! So you will never acknowledge it! If you understood that, then you would see the truth!

he still stands

marriage is an institution between a man and a vegetable.

I can say that all day and believe it I suppose, but if someone were to ask "why only a vegetable" I would probably put some critical thinking into motion, rather than repeat it ad nauseam with exclamation points for effect.

peacefrompaul

fear4freedom wrote:

ARE YOU KIDDIN ME? GO To the dictionary and lookup marriage! The definition is quite clear! Its an institution between a man and a woman! If you dont understand that, then you wont understand anything else that comes along with that! Dont be such a bigot! You are not respecting the institution or the meaning of marriage! So you will never acknowledge it! If you understood that, then you would see the truth!

Here is the definition FROM: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage

a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>

jethrojam420

fear4freedom wrote:

ARE YOU KIDDIN ME? GO To the dictionary and lookup marriage! The definition is quite clear! Its an institution between a man and a woman! If you dont understand that, then you wont understand anything else that comes along with that! Dont be such a bigot! You are not respecting the institution or the meaning of marriage! So you will never acknowledge it! If you understood that, then you would see the truth!

The definition of the word gay has changed in the last 100 years. Seems fitting that the definition of marriage did as well.

Cliffy6745

Godfather. wrote:

think I'll go to the polls this election and vote...I'll try and find someone that has these ideas in mind..


2) increase military spending
3) will not add new tax's to an already over-taxed country
4) knows how to ballance a budget...or even a check book

This is hilarious. Would love to see how this would work.

jethrojam420

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

think I'll go to the polls this election and vote...I'll try and find someone that has these ideas in mind..


2) increase military spending
3) will not add new tax's to an already over-taxed country
4) knows how to ballance a budget...or even a check book

This is hilarious. Would love to see how this would work.

agreed

also...
Which country is the overtaxed one? and how are we going to tax them?



Here is a look at the Total Tax Revenue by country, as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product:
Country Tax %
Austrailia 30.8
Austria 42.3
Canada 33.3
Finland 43.0
France 43.5
Germany 36.2
Italy 43.5
Japan 28.3
Korea 26.5
Netherlands 37.5
Norway 43.6
Sweden 48.3
Switzerland 28.9
United States 28.3


Source: OECD Tax Database

brianlux

fear4freedom wrote:

ARE YOU KIDDIN ME? GO To the dictionary and lookup marriage! The definition is quite clear! Its an institution between a man and a woman! If you dont understand that, then you wont understand anything else that comes along with that! Dont be such a bigot! You are not respecting the institution or the meaning of marriage! So you will never acknowledge it! If you understood that, then you would see the truth!

No, actually I'm not kidding you.

Which dictionary? Do you know that the meaning of many words change over time?

I'm a bigot? Congratulations on being the first person in my 60 years of living to call me a bigot. Somebody had to do it. Why? Beats me.

Truth? Haven't we been over that before?

Hey, thanks anyway for the lecture. It was, um, interesting.

pandora

fear4freedom wrote:

I love to see the liberal media spin this as Santorum to be the rigid ideaologue that will take away ones birth control! Its SOOOO obvious to see the liberal media agenda! If they are seeking ways to seperate the candidates.....do it with true stances and issues.....for the right reasons! UNREAL!
They expose themselves and anyone with any brains should see the agenda and make adjustments accordingly!

I thought the OP's thread was about politics and the media

not whether gay marriage should be legal... this has been so discussed already

I was hoping to learn something more about all the candidates
and what peoples views here were on them and the media.

Oh well ...

fear4freedom

pandora wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

I love to see the liberal media spin this as Santorum to be the rigid ideaologue that will take away ones birth control! Its SOOOO obvious to see the liberal media agenda! If they are seeking ways to seperate the candidates.....do it with true stances and issues.....for the right reasons! UNREAL!
They expose themselves and anyone with any brains should see the agenda and make adjustments accordingly!

I thought the OP's thread was about politics and the media

not whether gay marriage should be legal... this has been so discussed already

I was hoping to learn something more about all the candidates
and what peoples views here were on them and the media.

Oh well ...

Exactly my friend! This is about the media's spin on the issue to put forth an agenda! If you look at the stances of the 3 candidates.....they are all the same! However, if you watch the media.....you would think that Santorum is the guy that would rip your head off if you were gay! Then, all smart people should see the agenda and adjust their minds accordingly due to the agenda! thank you for keeping on point!

keeponrockin

fear4freedom wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

For those against gay marriage, please answer this question.

How does gay marriage have any negative effect whatsoever on your life? I'm in Canada, and the only effect I see is loving couples get to get married, the world hasn't ended, and there hasn't been a total degradation of society as a whole...

This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do! The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution! Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far! So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80! The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own. Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label! So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority! The disease of progressivism will slowly try to persuade society to agree with gay marriage, hence, the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it! Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!

You didn't answer my question. How do gay people getting married negatively effect you?

catefrances

bgivens33 wrote:

I don't even know why the president would be involved in gay marriage. Just let the states decide.

the problem with this is, theoretically, if me and my gay lover move interstate, our marriage may not be recognised, let alone legal.

brianlux

catefrances wrote:

bgivens33 wrote:

I don't even know why the president would be involved in gay marriage. Just let the states decide.

the problem with this is, theoretically, if me and my gay lover move interstate, our marriage may not be recognised, let alone legal.

That, plus some of our states seem to have a hard time sticking with a decision. Just when you think things are going well, WHOOSH, out come the rug from under you're feet.

No offense to anyone here, but I'm just a bit astounded that in 2012 we are still having this discussion. I really don't get why anyone opposes gay marriage.

By the way, just for grins I looked up "marriage" in my American Heritage College dictionary. Only one out of the seven definitions mentioned "union between a man and a woman" so I'd say the dictionary definition argument doesn't hold much water against gay marriage.

peacefrompaul

catefrances wrote:

bgivens33 wrote:

I don't even know why the president would be involved in gay marriage. Just let the states decide.

the problem with this is, theoretically, if me and my gay lover move interstate, our marriage may not be recognised, let alone legal.

True, I'm big on states rights myself but this is something that needs to be a federal law.

peacefrompaul

fear4freedom wrote:

pandora wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

I love to see the liberal media spin this as Santorum to be the rigid ideaologue that will take away ones birth control! Its SOOOO obvious to see the liberal media agenda! If they are seeking ways to seperate the candidates.....do it with true stances and issues.....for the right reasons! UNREAL!
They expose themselves and anyone with any brains should see the agenda and make adjustments accordingly!

I thought the OP's thread was about politics and the media

not whether gay marriage should be legal... this has been so discussed already

I was hoping to learn something more about all the candidates
and what peoples views here were on them and the media.

Oh well ...

Exactly my friend! This is about the media's spin on the issue to put forth an agenda! If you look at the stances of the 3 candidates.....they are all the same! However, if you watch the media.....you would think that Santorum is the guy that would rip your head off if you were gay! Then, all smart people should see the agenda and adjust their minds accordingly due to the agenda! thank you for keeping on point!

There's more than 3 candidates.

Edit: Right! Obama, Romney, Santorum are supposed to be the focus. My error.

fear4freedom

keeponrockin wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

For those against gay marriage, please answer this question.

How does gay marriage have any negative effect whatsoever on your life? I'm in Canada, and the only effect I see is loving couples get to get married, the world hasn't ended, and there hasn't been a total degradation of society as a whole...

This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do! The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution! Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far! So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80! The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own. Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label! So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority! The disease of progressivism will slowly try to persuade society to agree with gay marriage, hence, the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it! Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!

You didn't answer my question. How do gay people getting married negatively effect you?

First of all, its not always how it affects one personally that determines it! Slavery does not affect me personally, however its wrong! Two gays marrying will not affect me personally! I have CLEARLY stated the definition and the issue at hand! The INSTITUTION and definition of marriage cannot be changed! Those who are gay and wish to be married, need to accept a civil union label! If they dont, then they are the bigots! Thats where the bigotry comes in! That is a fact and they need to accept that! They are forcing their ideology on those who are married! Hijacking the institution from it original concept and meaning!

redrock

brianlux wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

bgivens33 wrote:

I don't even know why the president would be involved in gay marriage. Just let the states decide.

why is marriage a leagal institution?

Good question. Probable answer: "Money".

Why is marriage an institution at all? I'll ask my wife. She knows more about that than I do and she's the boss...
hmmm, maybe marriage is an occupational arrangement?

You're trying to make out you're being henpecked!
Actually, you aren't far from the answer when you say 'money'. Originally, marriage was a contract between families/clans to form alliances and thus dowries were exchanged (this was not just money but also land, etc.)

To those that give the definition of marriage as a institution between man & woman, this has evolved, as has the institution itself. At one time, marriage was to 'guarantee' the man was the father of the children borne by the wife (as much as any guarantee can be given!). In ancient times, men could do what they wanted with mistresses, prostitutes (yes, even same sex prostitutes) but women had to stay at home, bear and raise children. A woman had no identity, she was property of her husband. This, in some cultures is still the case.

Gay marriage? In early Rome, these were legal and quite common. Even a few centuries later there are documented ceremonies in the various churches.

Also, if you look at one man/one woman thing, any man and any woman? One would think. But no, all kinds of rules and regulations apply and these have been changed over the years. Not long ago, a black man couldn't marry a white woman. Even in the US, each state has different laws.

Things evolve (or do full circle). That the church does not want to accept/conduct unions between a same sex couple because of their moral issues/dictates, that's fine. But from a secular point of view, in our culture, it's not really acceptable. Politicians can state all they want on their beliefs, moral codes, etc. but not use this as a basis for laws. Rational thought and action are required from them, not imposition of their moral code to the masses.

Godfather.

Which side of the fence?
If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!

If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Democrats demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A Democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.



Godfather.

he still stands

Godfather. wrote:

Which side of the fence?
If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!

If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Democrats demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A Democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.



Godfather.

if a democrat doesn't agree with something a republican does, he will usually make a rational and sensible argument why that is(albeit not something that I always agree with)

if a republican doesn't agree with something a democrat does, he makes a bunch of outlandish generalizations without any basis in reality, illustrating his junior high-ish though process and critical thinking capabilities.