I love to see the liberal media spin this as Santorum to be the rigid ideaologue that will take away ones birth control! Its SOOOO obvious to see the liberal media agenda! If they are seeking ways to seperate the candidates.....do it with true stances and issues.....for the right reasons! UNREAL!
They expose themselves and anyone with any brains should see the agenda and make adjustments accordingly!
I thought the OP's thread was about politics and the media
not whether gay marriage should be legal... this has been so discussed already
I was hoping to learn something more about all the candidates
and what peoples views here were on them and the media.
Oh well ...
Exactly my friend! This is about the media's spin on the issue to put forth an agenda! If you look at the stances of the 3 candidates.....they are all the same! However, if you watch the media.....you would think that Santorum is the guy that would rip your head off if you were gay! Then, all smart people should see the agenda and adjust their minds accordingly due to the agenda! thank you for keeping on point!
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
For those against gay marriage, please answer this question.
How does gay marriage have any negative effect whatsoever on your life? I'm in Canada, and the only effect I see is loving couples get to get married, the world hasn't ended, and there hasn't been a total degradation of society as a whole...
This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do! The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution! Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far! So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80! The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own. Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label! So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority! The disease of progressivism will slowly try to persuade society to agree with gay marriage, hence, the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it! Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!
You didn't answer my question. How do gay people getting married negatively effect you?
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
I don't even know why the president would be involved in gay marriage. Just let the states decide.
the problem with this is, theoretically, if me and my gay lover move interstate, our marriage may not be recognised, let alone legal.
That, plus some of our states seem to have a hard time sticking with a decision. Just when you think things are going well, WHOOSH, out come the rug from under you're feet.
No offense to anyone here, but I'm just a bit astounded that in 2012 we are still having this discussion. I really don't get why anyone opposes gay marriage.
By the way, just for grins I looked up "marriage" in my American Heritage College dictionary. Only one out of the seven definitions mentioned "union between a man and a woman" so I'd say the dictionary definition argument doesn't hold much water against gay marriage.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I love to see the liberal media spin this as Santorum to be the rigid ideaologue that will take away ones birth control! Its SOOOO obvious to see the liberal media agenda! If they are seeking ways to seperate the candidates.....do it with true stances and issues.....for the right reasons! UNREAL!
They expose themselves and anyone with any brains should see the agenda and make adjustments accordingly!
I thought the OP's thread was about politics and the media
not whether gay marriage should be legal... this has been so discussed already
I was hoping to learn something more about all the candidates
and what peoples views here were on them and the media.
Oh well ...
Exactly my friend! This is about the media's spin on the issue to put forth an agenda! If you look at the stances of the 3 candidates.....they are all the same! However, if you watch the media.....you would think that Santorum is the guy that would rip your head off if you were gay! Then, all smart people should see the agenda and adjust their minds accordingly due to the agenda! thank you for keeping on point!
There's more than 3 candidates.
Edit: Right! Obama, Romney, Santorum are supposed to be the focus. My error.
For those against gay marriage, please answer this question.
How does gay marriage have any negative effect whatsoever on your life? I'm in Canada, and the only effect I see is loving couples get to get married, the world hasn't ended, and there hasn't been a total degradation of society as a whole...
This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do! The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution! Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far! So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80! The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own. Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label! So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority! The disease of progressivism will slowly try to persuade society to agree with gay marriage, hence, the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it! Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!
You didn't answer my question. How do gay people getting married negatively effect you?
First of all, its not always how it affects one personally that determines it! Slavery does not affect me personally, however its wrong! Two gays marrying will not affect me personally! I have CLEARLY stated the definition and the issue at hand! The INSTITUTION and definition of marriage cannot be changed! Those who are gay and wish to be married, need to accept a civil union label! If they dont, then they are the bigots! Thats where the bigotry comes in! That is a fact and they need to accept that! They are forcing their ideology on those who are married! Hijacking the institution from it original concept and meaning!
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
I don't even know why the president would be involved in gay marriage. Just let the states decide.
why is marriage a leagal institution?
Good question. Probable answer: "Money".
Why is marriage an institution at all? I'll ask my wife. She knows more about that than I do and she's the boss...
hmmm, maybe marriage is an occupational arrangement?
You're trying to make out you're being henpecked!
Actually, you aren't far from the answer when you say 'money'. Originally, marriage was a contract between families/clans to form alliances and thus dowries were exchanged (this was not just money but also land, etc.)
To those that give the definition of marriage as a institution between man & woman, this has evolved, as has the institution itself. At one time, marriage was to 'guarantee' the man was the father of the children borne by the wife (as much as any guarantee can be given!). In ancient times, men could do what they wanted with mistresses, prostitutes (yes, even same sex prostitutes) but women had to stay at home, bear and raise children. A woman had no identity, she was property of her husband. This, in some cultures is still the case.
Gay marriage? In early Rome, these were legal and quite common. Even a few centuries later there are documented ceremonies in the various churches.
Also, if you look at one man/one woman thing, any man and any woman? One would think. But no, all kinds of rules and regulations apply and these have been changed over the years. Not long ago, a black man couldn't marry a white woman. Even in the US, each state has different laws.
Things evolve (or do full circle). That the church does not want to accept/conduct unions between a same sex couple because of their moral issues/dictates, that's fine. But from a secular point of view, in our culture, it's not really acceptable. Politicians can state all they want on their beliefs, moral codes, etc. but not use this as a basis for laws. Rational thought and action are required from them, not imposition of their moral code to the masses.
Which side of the fence?
If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Democrats demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A Democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.
Which side of the fence?
If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Democrats demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A Democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.
Godfather.
if a democrat doesn't agree with something a republican does, he will usually make a rational and sensible argument why that is(albeit not something that I always agree with)
if a republican doesn't agree with something a democrat does, he makes a bunch of outlandish generalizations without any basis in reality, illustrating his junior high-ish though process and critical thinking capabilities.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
I don't even know why the president would be involved in gay marriage. Just let the states decide.
the problem with this is, theoretically, if me and my gay lover move interstate, our marriage may not be recognised, let alone legal.
The same could be said for-
medical marijuana
age to consume tobacco
speed limit
etc.
Marriage isn't a federal issue and the federal government isn't granted the authority to manipulate marriage, though not having authority hasn't stopped them in the past.
how does it affect you when someone else marries another person?
how would it affect you or your marriage if they married a dog, carrot, tree, fence, computer, robot, etc...?
why would you care what someone else does?
why are we worried about who is getting married when the main goal should be getting people married so as to improve the family dynamic?
The biggest difference between obama, romney, and santorum...two do it for political reasons, one wants to be able to control private acts in the bedroom (check out his feelings on sodomy and the rights the government has in your bed room)...
and OP, do you honestly believe your thread title? Being the same on gay marriage includes more than simply an up or down vote...reasoning and motive are also included.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
how does it affect you when someone else marries another person?
how would it affect you or your marriage if they married a dog, carrot, tree, fence, computer, robot, etc...?
why would you care what someone else does?
why are we worried about who is getting married when the main goal should be getting people married so as to improve the family dynamic?
The biggest difference between obama, romney, and santorum...two do it for political reasons, one wants to be able to control private acts in the bedroom (check out his feelings on sodomy and the rights the government has in your bed room)...
and OP, do you honestly believe your thread title? Being the same on gay marriage includes more than simply an up or down vote...reasoning and motive are also included.
Mike you are one of the posters whos word/posts I respect on here along with a few others..but couldn't the same thing be said about God and a few other topics discused on the Train, folks on here want respect and understanding for same sex merriage but have little to no respect or understanding for anothers belief on God.
how does it affect you when someone else marries another person?
how would it affect you or your marriage if they married a dog, carrot, tree, fence, computer, robot, etc...?
why would you care what someone else does?
why are we worried about who is getting married when the main goal should be getting people married so as to improve the family dynamic?
The biggest difference between obama, romney, and santorum...two do it for political reasons, one wants to be able to control private acts in the bedroom (check out his feelings on sodomy and the rights the government has in your bed room)...
and OP, do you honestly believe your thread title? Being the same on gay marriage includes more than simply an up or down vote...reasoning and motive are also included.
Mike you are one of the posters whos word/posts I respect on here along with a few others..but couldn't the same thing be said about God and a few other topics discused on the Train, folks on here want respect and understanding for same sex merriage but have little to no respect or understanding for anothers belief on God.
Godfather.
completely agree with you.
the same can be said for everything one person does that doesn't affect another. the problem as i see it is that many people who want respect for their religion also want to discriminate against another's pursuit of happiness...So as one group wants acceptance they tend to forget that as they don't accept others...it goes both ways...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Which side of the fence?
If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Democrats demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A Democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.
Godfather.
if a democrat doesn't agree with something a republican does, he will usually make a rational and sensible argument why that is(albeit not something that I always agree with)
if a republican doesn't agree with something a democrat does, he makes a bunch of outlandish generalizations without any basis in reality, illustrating his junior high-ish though process and critical thinking capabilities.
Wow your response very judgmental ... one could generalize from that but probably shouldn't
cause generalizing ... well, that trick never works
I thought the list was mostly based in humor with a little truth sprinkled in
like others cartoons I have seen
how does it affect you when someone else marries another person?
how would it affect you or your marriage if they married a dog, carrot, tree, fence, computer, robot, etc...?
why would you care what someone else does?
why are we worried about who is getting married when the main goal should be getting people married so as to improve the family dynamic?
The biggest difference between obama, romney, and santorum...two do it for political reasons, one wants to be able to control private acts in the bedroom (check out his feelings on sodomy and the rights the government has in your bed room)...
and OP, do you honestly believe your thread title? Being the same on gay marriage includes more than simply an up or down vote...reasoning and motive are also included.
Mike you are one of the posters whos word/posts I respect on here along with a few others..but couldn't the same thing be said about God and a few other topics discused on the Train, folks on here want respect and understanding for same sex merriage but have little to no respect or understanding for anothers belief on God.
Godfather.
completely agree with you.
the same can be said for everything one person does that doesn't affect another. the problem as i see it is that many people who want respect for their religion also want to discriminate against another's pursuit of happiness...So as one group wants acceptance they tend to forget that as they don't accept others...it goes both ways...
This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do! The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution! Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far! So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80! The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own.
Healthy? Why?
That is your argument? Its healthy?
I am 100% confident that sometime in the near future, gay marriage will be universal in the USA. I think you people who would like to suppress gays from these same freedoms that heterosexuals enjoy, better start getting used to it.
"As you know I dont discriminate...But I oppose same sex marriage..." -Mitt
"I would be a voice speaking out for making sure that that every person in America, gay or straight, is treated with respect and dignity, and has equality of opportunity. That does not mean that I would agree with certain things that the gay community would like to change laws, with respect to marriage, with respect to adoption, and things like that..." -Rick Santorum
Which is it Rick? :? This is so contradictory and laughable.
But he will listen to them in a respectful tone?...what a joke Santorum is.
For those against gay marriage, please answer this question.
How does gay marriage have any negative effect whatsoever on your life? I'm in Canada, and the only effect I see is loving couples get to get married, the world hasn't ended, and there hasn't been a total degradation of society as a whole...
This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do! The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution! Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far! So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80! The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own. Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label! So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority! The disease of progressivism will slowly try to persuade society to agree with gay marriage, hence, the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it! Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!
Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label!
me thinks you don't know what bigot means
Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution!
in order to preserve the institution, why would you not want to make it more inclusive of all types of people. Encouraging marriage in all types can only make the institution healthier...Promoting a strong family, even one with two dads or moms, is a benefit to society. The only thing that granting the right to marriage to all can do is promote more families...different from what you are used to maybe, but more families none the less...
So which is it? are you against more families and the bonds there in or are you against more people being married and making a life long commitment to each other?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do! The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman! Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution! Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far! So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80! The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own. Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label! So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority! The disease of progressivism will slowly try to persuade society to agree with gay marriage, hence, the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it! Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!
I hate to burst your bubble where you get to make things up and call them facts. 53% support gay marriage:
This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do!
You. Are. Incorrect.
There are over 1500 rights, protections, privileges, responsibilities and resources allowed to married heterosexual couples that gay couples cannot get with any extra hoops to jump through.
A recent study also shows that gay couples pay about $6000 more in taxes per year and yet aren't able to access the programs those taxes fund.
Please learn your facts before making more of a fool of yourself.
The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman!
No, That's your definition, not the definition.
My definition is "a legal contract that a couple makes with the government to help them as they build a life and home together. Since a strong family is the base of a strong country, we agree that helping strengthen all families, whether we would want to be a part of that family or not."
Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far!
Wrong again. A majority of Americans now support gay marriage. In New York State it's near 70%. And although proposition 8 narrowly passed in California 3 years ago (mostly thanks to Mormon-funded misinformation and fear campaigns), most studies have shown it would no longer pass and there is a possibility it may be voted away in this year's presidential election.
So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80!
Exactly the same argument used to stop desegregation.
The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own.
Um... no. THat's not what the definition of "bigotry" is. Words have meanings. You can't just decide "what it means now."
Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label!
that makes no sense whatsoever. not even a bit.
So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority!
First... you're not the "majority" anymore. But.. nobody is forcing anything on you. You realize that you can still marry someone of the opposite sex, right?
the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it!
I can assure you that I do not give a flying fuck if you "accept" my marriage or not.
I mean... you weren't even invited to mine.
And aren't you... the minority, as we've pointed out.... forcing those of us don't do not agree with your position to accept YOUR position?
I mean.. that's not very democratic.
Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!
Actually... since us gays pay more in taxes and use less of the resources... we're the ones supporting YOU.
This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do!
You. Are. Incorrect.
There are over 1500 rights, protections, privileges, responsibilities and resources allowed to married heterosexual couples that gay couples cannot get with any extra hoops to jump through.
A recent study also shows that gay couples pay about $6000 more in taxes per year and yet aren't able to access the programs those taxes fund.
Please learn your facts before making more of a fool of yourself.
The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman!
No, That's your definition, not the definition.
My definition is "a legal contract that a couple makes with the government to help them as they build a life and home together. Since a strong family is the base of a strong country, we agree that helping strengthen all families, whether we would want to be a part of that family or not."
Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far!
Wrong again. A majority of Americans now support gay marriage. In New York State it's near 70%. And although proposition 8 narrowly passed in California 3 years ago (mostly thanks to Mormon-funded misinformation and fear campaigns), most studies have shown it would no longer pass and there is a possibility it may be voted away in this year's presidential election.
So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80!
Exactly the same argument used to stop desegregation.
The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own.
Um... no. THat's not what the definition of "bigotry" is. Words have meanings. You can't just decide "what it means now."
Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label!
that makes no sense whatsoever. not even a bit.
So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority!
First... you're not the "majority" anymore. But.. nobody is forcing anything on you. You realize that you can still marry someone of the opposite sex, right?
the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it!
I can assure you that I do not give a flying fuck if you "accept" my marriage or not. I mean... you weren't even invited to mine. And aren't you... the minority, as we've pointed out.... forcing those of us don't do not agree with your position to accept YOUR position?
I mean.. that's not very democratic.
Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!
Actually... since us gays pay more in taxes and use less of the resources... we're the ones supporting YOU.
Nice to have you back!
What if someone in the 60s said "Black people should just have to accept jim crow laws, and not force their views on us"...
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
This is VITAL to understand! Those who are against gay marriage are mainly not against two men or two women doing their thing. We believe in your freedom to do what you want! You can also unionize and recieve all the tax breaks that married couples also do!
You. Are. Incorrect.
There are over 1500 rights, protections, privileges, responsibilities and resources allowed to married heterosexual couples that gay couples cannot get with any extra hoops to jump through.
A recent study also shows that gay couples pay about $6000 more in taxes per year and yet aren't able to access the programs those taxes fund.
Please learn your facts before making more of a fool of yourself.
The definition of marriage is an institution between a one man and a one woman!
No, That's your definition, not the definition.
My definition is "a legal contract that a couple makes with the government to help them as they build a life and home together. Since a strong family is the base of a strong country, we agree that helping strengthen all families, whether we would want to be a part of that family or not."
Those who support gay marriage are in the minority by far!
Wrong again. A majority of Americans now support gay marriage. In New York State it's near 70%. And although proposition 8 narrowly passed in California 3 years ago (mostly thanks to Mormon-funded misinformation and fear campaigns), most studies have shown it would no longer pass and there is a possibility it may be voted away in this year's presidential election.
So you cannot have %20 of society HIJACK the other %80!
Exactly the same argument used to stop desegregation.
The definition of bigotry is not listening to the other side and only standing firm on your own.
Um... no. THat's not what the definition of "bigotry" is. Words have meanings. You can't just decide "what it means now."
Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label!
that makes no sense whatsoever. not even a bit.
So they are forcing their ideology on the major majority!
First... you're not the "majority" anymore. But.. nobody is forcing anything on you. You realize that you can still marry someone of the opposite sex, right?
the bigotry is developed there.....by hijacking marriage and forcing those who do not believe in it ....to accept it!
I can assure you that I do not give a flying fuck if you "accept" my marriage or not. I mean... you weren't even invited to mine. And aren't you... the minority, as we've pointed out.... forcing those of us don't do not agree with your position to accept YOUR position?
I mean.. that's not very democratic.
Thats what you and most people who support gays dont understand!
Actually... since us gays pay more in taxes and use less of the resources... we're the ones supporting YOU.
In the republican debates the other day, they asked Santorum how he would react if he had a son who came to him and said he was gay. Santorum said he would love him just as much as he did before he told him he was gay.
However, I assume he would stick to his guns and say that his own son didnt deserve the right to get married.
anyways this article had an interesting story of someone who evolved and questioned their own religion...I hope more people can evolve.
If my parents can go from being terrified that the neighbors might figure out that I'm gay to introducing them to my husband as "our son in law," anyone can.
i know this post is long dead, but just had to get it off my chest...
i'll bet every member of pearl jam is pro-gay marriage and would find alot of these comments to be really sad coming from 'fans'... not to say i'm a bigger fan or am in line with EVERY opinion of the band/members, but seriously, godfather, freedom from fear.... u guys are fucking pathetic
Which side of the fence?
If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Democrats demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A Democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.
Godfather.
if a democrat doesn't agree with something a republican does, he will usually make a rational and sensible argument why that is(albeit not something that I always agree with)
if a republican doesn't agree with something a democrat does, he makes a bunch of outlandish generalizations without any basis in reality, illustrating his junior high-ish though process and critical thinking capabilities.
you could'nt tell that was a cut and paste joke ? TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT !
you're just too damn ez man you'd bite at just about anything
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Exactly my friend! This is about the media's spin on the issue to put forth an agenda! If you look at the stances of the 3 candidates.....they are all the same! However, if you watch the media.....you would think that Santorum is the guy that would rip your head off if you were gay! Then, all smart people should see the agenda and adjust their minds accordingly due to the agenda! thank you for keeping on point!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
You didn't answer my question. How do gay people getting married negatively effect you?
the problem with this is, theoretically, if me and my gay lover move interstate, our marriage may not be recognised, let alone legal.
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No offense to anyone here, but I'm just a bit astounded that in 2012 we are still having this discussion. I really don't get why anyone opposes gay marriage.
By the way, just for grins I looked up "marriage" in my American Heritage College dictionary. Only one out of the seven definitions mentioned "union between a man and a woman" so I'd say the dictionary definition argument doesn't hold much water against gay marriage.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
True, I'm big on states rights myself but this is something that needs to be a federal law.
There's more than 3 candidates.
Edit: Right! Obama, Romney, Santorum are supposed to be the focus. My error.
First of all, its not always how it affects one personally that determines it! Slavery does not affect me personally, however its wrong! Two gays marrying will not affect me personally! I have CLEARLY stated the definition and the issue at hand! The INSTITUTION and definition of marriage cannot be changed! Those who are gay and wish to be married, need to accept a civil union label! If they dont, then they are the bigots! Thats where the bigotry comes in! That is a fact and they need to accept that! They are forcing their ideology on those who are married! Hijacking the institution from it original concept and meaning!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
Actually, you aren't far from the answer when you say 'money'. Originally, marriage was a contract between families/clans to form alliances and thus dowries were exchanged (this was not just money but also land, etc.)
To those that give the definition of marriage as a institution between man & woman, this has evolved, as has the institution itself. At one time, marriage was to 'guarantee' the man was the father of the children borne by the wife (as much as any guarantee can be given!). In ancient times, men could do what they wanted with mistresses, prostitutes (yes, even same sex prostitutes) but women had to stay at home, bear and raise children. A woman had no identity, she was property of her husband. This, in some cultures is still the case.
Gay marriage? In early Rome, these were legal and quite common. Even a few centuries later there are documented ceremonies in the various churches.
Also, if you look at one man/one woman thing, any man and any woman? One would think. But no, all kinds of rules and regulations apply and these have been changed over the years. Not long ago, a black man couldn't marry a white woman. Even in the US, each state has different laws.
Things evolve (or do full circle). That the church does not want to accept/conduct unions between a same sex couple because of their moral issues/dictates, that's fine. But from a secular point of view, in our culture, it's not really acceptable. Politicians can state all they want on their beliefs, moral codes, etc. but not use this as a basis for laws. Rational thought and action are required from them, not imposition of their moral code to the masses.
If you ever wondered which side of the fence you sit on, this is a great test!
If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a Democrat doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a Republican is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a Republican doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Democrats demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a Republican is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A Democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A Democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.
Godfather.
if a democrat doesn't agree with something a republican does, he will usually make a rational and sensible argument why that is(albeit not something that I always agree with)
if a republican doesn't agree with something a democrat does, he makes a bunch of outlandish generalizations without any basis in reality, illustrating his junior high-ish though process and critical thinking capabilities.
The same could be said for-
medical marijuana
age to consume tobacco
speed limit
etc.
Marriage isn't a federal issue and the federal government isn't granted the authority to manipulate marriage, though not having authority hasn't stopped them in the past.
how does it affect you when someone else marries another person?
how would it affect you or your marriage if they married a dog, carrot, tree, fence, computer, robot, etc...?
why would you care what someone else does?
why are we worried about who is getting married when the main goal should be getting people married so as to improve the family dynamic?
The biggest difference between obama, romney, and santorum...two do it for political reasons, one wants to be able to control private acts in the bedroom (check out his feelings on sodomy and the rights the government has in your bed room)...
and OP, do you honestly believe your thread title? Being the same on gay marriage includes more than simply an up or down vote...reasoning and motive are also included.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Mike you are one of the posters whos word/posts I respect on here along with a few others..but couldn't the same thing be said about God and a few other topics discused on the Train, folks on here want respect and understanding for same sex merriage but have little to no respect or understanding for anothers belief on God.
Godfather.
completely agree with you.
the same can be said for everything one person does that doesn't affect another. the problem as i see it is that many people who want respect for their religion also want to discriminate against another's pursuit of happiness...So as one group wants acceptance they tend to forget that as they don't accept others...it goes both ways...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
cause generalizing ... well, that trick never works
I thought the list was mostly based in humor with a little truth sprinkled in
like others cartoons I have seen
so true, thanks.
Godfather.
Healthy? Why?
That is your argument? Its healthy?
I am 100% confident that sometime in the near future, gay marriage will be universal in the USA. I think you people who would like to suppress gays from these same freedoms that heterosexuals enjoy, better start getting used to it.
He/she HAS to be VERY, very quiet, otherwise the rest of their party will not give them the same rights.
"As you know I dont discriminate...But I oppose same sex marriage..." -Mitt
"I would be a voice speaking out for making sure that that every person in America, gay or straight, is treated with respect and dignity, and has equality of opportunity. That does not mean that I would agree with certain things that the gay community would like to change laws, with respect to marriage, with respect to adoption, and things like that..." -Rick Santorum
Which is it Rick? :? This is so contradictory and laughable.
But he will listen to them in a respectful tone?...what a joke Santorum is.
no offense Jonny but I don't believe that.
Godfather.
Gays and those who support gay marriage are being bigots first and foremost because they wont accept the civil union label!
me thinks you don't know what bigot means
Its healthy for society to preserve that instititution!
in order to preserve the institution, why would you not want to make it more inclusive of all types of people. Encouraging marriage in all types can only make the institution healthier...Promoting a strong family, even one with two dads or moms, is a benefit to society. The only thing that granting the right to marriage to all can do is promote more families...different from what you are used to maybe, but more families none the less...
So which is it? are you against more families and the bonds there in or are you against more people being married and making a life long commitment to each other?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
No offense taken...I was kinda joking. Just 'kinda' though.
I hate to burst your bubble where you get to make things up and call them facts. 53% support gay marriage:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/First-Time-Majority-Americans-Favor-Legal-Gay-Marriage.aspx
You. Are. Incorrect.
There are over 1500 rights, protections, privileges, responsibilities and resources allowed to married heterosexual couples that gay couples cannot get with any extra hoops to jump through.
A recent study also shows that gay couples pay about $6000 more in taxes per year and yet aren't able to access the programs those taxes fund.
Please learn your facts before making more of a fool of yourself.
No, That's your definition, not the definition.
My definition is "a legal contract that a couple makes with the government to help them as they build a life and home together. Since a strong family is the base of a strong country, we agree that helping strengthen all families, whether we would want to be a part of that family or not."
Wrong again. A majority of Americans now support gay marriage. In New York State it's near 70%. And although proposition 8 narrowly passed in California 3 years ago (mostly thanks to Mormon-funded misinformation and fear campaigns), most studies have shown it would no longer pass and there is a possibility it may be voted away in this year's presidential election.
Exactly the same argument used to stop desegregation.
Um... no. THat's not what the definition of "bigotry" is. Words have meanings. You can't just decide "what it means now."
that makes no sense whatsoever. not even a bit.
First... you're not the "majority" anymore. But.. nobody is forcing anything on you. You realize that you can still marry someone of the opposite sex, right?
I can assure you that I do not give a flying fuck if you "accept" my marriage or not.
I mean... you weren't even invited to mine.
And aren't you... the minority, as we've pointed out.... forcing those of us don't do not agree with your position to accept YOUR position?
I mean.. that's not very democratic.
Actually... since us gays pay more in taxes and use less of the resources... we're the ones supporting YOU.
Nice to have you back!
What if someone in the 60s said "Black people should just have to accept jim crow laws, and not force their views on us"...
Interesting read.
In the republican debates the other day, they asked Santorum how he would react if he had a son who came to him and said he was gay. Santorum said he would love him just as much as he did before he told him he was gay.
However, I assume he would stick to his guns and say that his own son didnt deserve the right to get married.
anyways this article had an interesting story of someone who evolved and questioned their own religion...I hope more people can evolve.
Ps - AND, its foxnews!
And most of them will.
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i'll bet every member of pearl jam is pro-gay marriage and would find alot of these comments to be really sad coming from 'fans'... not to say i'm a bigger fan or am in line with EVERY opinion of the band/members, but seriously, godfather, freedom from fear.... u guys are fucking pathetic
you could'nt tell that was a cut and paste joke ?
you're just too damn ez man you'd bite at just about anything
Godfather.