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  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    Both are evil, but if we say "no" in the US we are setting a precedent of saying we are not allowing that dirty stuff here no more? Yes?

    Then we all go up to Canada and protest. J/k

    We already have one part of the pipeline running though from Canada to Illinois.

    Doesn't matter dirty is dirty is dirty. Ecocide at its finest.






    Im trying avoid at all cost to be reborn back into this place. :lol:
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    Drowned Out wrote:
    btw....I don't know if we should be holding the US up as a place with effective rules and regulations... You guys have had a couple of minor problems down there in recent memory, no?

    Oh......only about 48 or so oil spills since 1969:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

    Think about the costs of the clean-ups.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.

    :think:

    Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Jason P wrote:
    Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.

    :think:

    that's what i'm wondering
    Jason P wrote:
    Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:


    hosers
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.

    :think:

    Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:

    pure speculation:

    the cost to build refineries is extremely expensive ... factor in a somewhat more regulated environmental standard vs. the US ... it is probably cheaper and more profitable to build a pipeline ... once the oil hits the US - it is subject to US laws which are significantly more lax from pollution to safety ...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.

    :think:

    Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:

    pure speculation:

    the cost to build refineries is extremely expensive ... factor in a somewhat more regulated environmental standard vs. the US ... it is probably cheaper and more profitable to build a pipeline ... once the oil hits the US - it is subject to US laws which are significantly more lax from pollution to safety ...
    Are the standards really that more lax? I've designed biodiesel tank storage containment area in the US that required concrete containment ... and the same company was able to use dirt berms for containment in Canada. :eh:

    And air permits in the US are very strict as I've found out first hand. All I hear about is loose US regulations but the only thing getting loose is my rectum from all the rules and regulations that get crammed up it. But I guess I can't complain too much because environmental regulations were one of the few things to work on during the recession. If it wasn't for EPA regulations and the projects they required, I probably would have been laid-off.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Jason P wrote:
    Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.

    :think:

    Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:
    Like I said earlier in the thread, it's NIMBY when it comes to refineries....but there are a lot of different reasons, all of which are based solely on profit before people or environment. Some are political, some relate to supply and demand of 'heavy' oil vs light crude (ie: straight up price manipulation by controlling where the oil ends up). Also....if we were to refine our own oil and sell it to ourselves cheaply, instead of thru the US controlled 'free market'..that wouldn't go over so well. I can't say for sure, but I bet NAFTA would factor into that decision.
    We used to have a national oil company, we dismantled it. There are very few countries left that exert that kind of control over their resources...and the ones that do are maligned and basically in danger of military action for exactly that reason (hello, Hugo)....
    In other words, I can't figure it out :lol: I've been trying to look into that question for a while, but man...there is so much conflicting info on this shit - the oil industry pays astronomical amounts of money to sponsor studies to support their side of the business, and environmental groups tend to ignore the economic side of things because they don't want to be seen as promoting ANYTHING that will result in more oil use...But that question is not asked often enough up here Bennyorr's statements earlier in the thread is an example of just how effectively our govt's campaign of pushin the tarsands works - people up here think we NEED investment in the tarsands to keep jobs flowing....but it's a sham; the world needs our oil and we've given it up for pennies a barrel, to be controlled by foreign, private companies.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    norm wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.

    :think:

    that's what i'm wondering
    Jason P wrote:
    Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:


    hosers
    Too funny...was looking for articles about your question, Jason P....found this one:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/09/21 ... 73936.html

    Most recently, a number of Canadian celebrities have come out against the pipeline and thrown their weight behind the protests, notably Dave Thomas of SCTV fame. That follows a similar theme seen in the U.S., where actresses Margot Kidder and Darryl Hannah were both arrested at the White House protests.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Most recently, a number of Canadian celebrities have come out against the pipeline and thrown their weight behind the protests, notably Dave Thomas of SCTV fame.

    That is awesome! I wonder if he released a jar of moths to ruin the project.

    :lol:

    Hmm ... I have the hinkering for some back-bacon and kokanee for whatever reason
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    :lol:
    Still can't get over the disappointment that they shelved a Bob n Doug comeback :(
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    now i want a jelly donut
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    norm wrote:
    now i want a jelly donut
    Take off, It's 'doughnut', eh ;)
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Drowned Out wrote:
    norm wrote:
    now i want a jelly donut
    Take off, It's 'doughnut', eh ;)

    i don't care how it's spelled, just get me one! :P
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    Blah. Some earthquakes are caused by fracking. It couldnt be because there are these huge 3 story jackhammers pounding at the earth's crust 2-3 miles deep. They will get enough shaking up there soon enough. So what if the earth becomes an asteroid belt.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    Blah. Some earthquakes are caused by fracking. It couldnt be because there are these huge 3 story jackhammers pounding at the earth's crust 2-3 miles deep. They will get enough shaking up there soon enough. So what if the earth becomes an asteroid belt.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A
    Maybe that's what's causing the weird noises people are hearing- our giant sized geode about to split open?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    norm wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    norm wrote:
    now i want a jelly donut
    Take off, It's 'doughnut', eh ;)

    i don't care how it's spelled, just get me one! :P
    Only if you promise to bring Welcome Back Kotter trading cards. Jelly donut negotiable.
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    edited February 2012
    brianlux wrote:
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    Blah. Some earthquakes are caused by fracking. It couldnt be because there are these huge 3 story jackhammers pounding at the earth's crust 2-3 miles deep. They will get enough shaking up there soon enough. So what if the earth becomes an asteroid belt.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A
    Maybe that's what's causing the weird noises people are hearing- our giant sized geode about to split open?
    Id like to think of it as harmonic repair as we get ready for a possible quantum leap together. If all goes to hell. :lol::lol: But splitting the geode called earth is possible. Dont worry Brian no matter what happens youre coming with us. :lol::lol::lol:
    Post edited by SweetChildofMine on
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    Blah. Some earthquakes are caused by fracking. It couldnt be because there are these huge 3 story jackhammers pounding at the earth's crust 2-3 miles deep. They will get enough shaking up there soon enough. So what if the earth becomes an asteroid belt.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A
    Maybe that's what's causing the weird noises people are hearing- our giant sized geode about to split open?
    Id like to think of it as harmonic repair as we get ready for a huge quantum leap together. :lol::lol: But splitting the geode called earth is possible. Dont worry Brian no matter what happens youre coming with us. :lol::lol::lol:
    :thumbup: :thumbup: :clap: :-D
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16884061

    China alone has invested 16 Billion in this pipeline. *raises eyebrows* sooooo.... make any connnection you want from this point.
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... zIj_EdQdM#!

    Tar Nation: Garth Lenz @ TEDxVictoria

    Talks about what the tar sands destruction. At one point this man is in tears.

    This is sanity?

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