Rejection of Keystone XL not yet secured.

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I vote pipeline and get some people to work ... a lot of people

    plus if it will help even a little to ease the dependency on foreign oil
    thats a good thing.

    $5+ a gallon by summer...yikes!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    edited January 2012
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    How about trying investing in alternate technologies?
    Hopefully soon-- before we've cooked the planet.

    "$5+ a gallon by summer...yikes!"

    $5 a gallon? It should be $10. Get people off their butts and working toward cleaner energy before we roast ourselves and everything else living. (OK, I exaggerate, but only a little.)
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Well wouldn't you know... another oil spill! Just in time to approve the Keystone XL, pardon me, I mean the Keystone for a Secure Tomorrow Act of 2012. :roll:

    http://wildernesscommittee.org/press_re ... on_dangers
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Well wouldn't you know... another oil spill! Just in time to approve the Keystone XL, pardon me, I mean the Keystone for a Secure Tomorrow Act of 2012. :roll:

    http://wildernesscommittee.org/press_re ... on_dangers
    Oh man... when will we learn?

    Excuse me folks, I'm going to go stick my head in a mail box and scream...
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    brianlux wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Well wouldn't you know... another oil spill! Just in time to approve the Keystone XL, pardon me, I mean the Keystone for a Secure Tomorrow Act of 2012. :roll:

    http://wildernesscommittee.org/press_re ... on_dangers
    Oh man... when will we learn?

    Excuse me folks, I'm going to go stick my head in a mail box and scream...

    We'll learn too late, I'm afraid. It's just insane that people insist on staying on the oil bandwagon.
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    Ummm... no.

    Besides causing fracking earthquakes, polluting aquafiers then the processing and so on and so forth your are not going to see any money back into the economy with this pipeline but $$ back into pockets of those who are propagating this mess.This oil is to be sold offshore just like the oil drilled in Alaska. Its a LIE. Getting off oil dependency starts here at home and weening ourselves &that means rejecting any new projects which are archaic and instituting alternative methods.

    Every prominent vital integral world leader is against this pipeline from the likes of the Dalai Lama, Desmond Tutu, etc and all of us who are trying to globally speak as one. Thats what its about. Anyone listening? Obviously not.
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    You know. This is tiring. ;)
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    Jeanwah wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Well wouldn't you know... another oil spill! Just in time to approve the Keystone XL, pardon me, I mean the Keystone for a Secure Tomorrow Act of 2012. :roll:

    http://wildernesscommittee.org/press_re ... on_dangers
    Oh man... when will we learn?

    Excuse me folks, I'm going to go stick my head in a mail box and scream...

    We'll learn too late, I'm afraid. It's just insane that people insist on staying on the oil bandwagon.
    Right, I was just reading article on how people are rethinking their own overconsumerism.

    Really?
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Oh man... when will we learn?

    Excuse me folks, I'm going to go stick my head in a mail box and scream...

    We'll learn too late, I'm afraid. It's just insane that people insist on staying on the oil bandwagon.
    Right, I was just reading article on how people are rethinking their own overconsumerism.

    Really?

    They may be thinking about it, but doing something about overconsumerism is a whole nother thing.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    You know. This is tiring. ;)

    what is truly sad is that you would figure by now people would see how corporations lie and do whatever to make a buck and yet they continue to buy the bullshit ...
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    polaris_x wrote:
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    You know. This is tiring. ;)

    what is truly sad is that you would figure by now people would see how corporations lie and do whatever to make a buck and yet they continue to buy the bullshit ...

    I wonder if it's out of laziness or an unwillingness to change... or both.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I wonder if it's out of laziness or an unwillingness to change... or both.

    combination of things ... but i think the biggest thing is that people want to have faith in corporations and gov't ... that they would never lie and do things that aren't in the interests of everyone ... they don't want to question that faith ... it's why in the US, you have the highest proportion of people who don't believe in global warming and why you can continue to occupy 2 countries and fund the israeli occupation ...

    people don't want to ask the questions because they don't want to know the answers ...
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I wonder if it's out of laziness or an unwillingness to change... or both.

    combination of things ... but i think the biggest thing is that people want to have faith in corporations and gov't ... that they would never lie and do things that aren't in the interests of everyone ... they don't want to question that faith ... it's why in the US, you have the highest proportion of people who don't believe in global warming and why you can continue to occupy 2 countries and fund the israeli occupation ...

    people don't want to ask the questions because they don't want to know the answers ...

    Apathy. People don't care.
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    Right , people dont care. A note from a Phd and fierce fighter for the world sent me this. Sad and true...

    "Many Americans would trade away their personal liberties & life-giving ecosystems - tolerate war & $ thievery - for an iPhone & a BJ"
    (small edit)

    This is from a man who is extremely astute and very well spoken. I was quite shocked. This is the frustration.
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    polaris_x wrote:
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    You know. This is tiring. ;)

    what is truly sad is that you would figure by now people would see how corporations lie and do whatever to make a buck and yet they continue to buy the bullshit ...

    Right.

    It feels futile.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,675
    We need to keep the pressure on Congress to not give into big oil. Here's a great picture from a recent 350.org gathering outside the Capitol:

    RefsActionEmail.jpg

    http://www.350.org/en/about/blogs/hundr ... y-congress
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    brianlux wrote:
    We need to keep the pressure on Congress to not give into big oil. Here's a great picture from a recent 350.org gathering outside the Capitol:

    RefsActionEmail.jpg

    http://www.350.org/en/about/blogs/hundr ... y-congress
    :thumbup:
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  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    I saw that. :D

    This world makes me ill. It never fails my amazement when innocent people continually get sold out while the "evil" of the world still grows.

    As soon as people stand up and say "FU youre not doing this to me anymore nor will I let you tread upon me." - they become the bad guy.

    Its a damn joke, right?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    despite record profits ... big oil is actually killing jobs ...

    In 2010 alone, the big 5 oil companies reduced their global workforce by a combined 4,400 employees, while making a combined $73 billion in profits

    http://democrats.naturalresources.house ... kSlips.pdf
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oh-snap-cong ... -pipeline/

    Congressman brawl over subpoena for Koch Brothers. :mrgreen:


    Fracking song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=timfvNgr ... E8ADCB0D4C

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