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"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
Maybe the thread author \ would like to change the title to something like the ongoing saga of the world trying to switch to renewable energy so we can post all together all the stories.
Here is a question to ponder on ... Canada seems determined to increase production of this oil no matter what. There are two options ... a pipeline to Texas where it will be refined under US environmental rules and regulation ... or a pipeline to British Columbia where it will be transported by oil tankers across the Pacific ocean to Asia where rules and regulations are sometimes governed by bribes.
As an environmentalist, which is the lesser of two evils?
(and no choosing "neither" cause that's cheating )
Here is a question to ponder on ... Canada seems determined to increase production of this oil no matter what. There are two options ... a pipeline to Texas where it will be refined under US environmental rules and regulation ... or a pipeline to British Columbia where it will be transported by oil tankers across the Pacific ocean to Asia where rules and regulations are sometimes governed by bribes.
As an environmentalist, which is the lesser of two evils?
(and no choosing "neither" cause that's cheating )
This is the way that i look at it. Sad decision to make for me.
Here is a question to ponder on ... Canada seems determined to increase production of this oil no matter what. There are two options ... a pipeline to Texas where it will be refined under US environmental rules and regulation ... or a pipeline to British Columbia where it will be transported by oil tankers across the Pacific ocean to Asia where rules and regulations are sometimes governed by bribes.
As an environmentalist, which is the lesser of two evils?
(and no choosing "neither" cause that's cheating )
that's like asking is it better to get hit by a truck or have a grand piano land on you ... neither of those options have to occur so i therefore deem this question illegitimate ...
Here is a question to ponder on ... Canada seems determined to increase production of this oil no matter what. There are two options ... a pipeline to Texas where it will be refined under US environmental rules and regulation ... or a pipeline to British Columbia where it will be transported by oil tankers across the Pacific ocean to Asia where rules and regulations are sometimes governed by bribes.
As an environmentalist, which is the lesser of two evils?
(and no choosing "neither" cause that's cheating )
Refined under US environmental rules and regulations....then exported by tanker out of the Gulf (without a penny of tax paid in the US, from my understanding). There is no lesser evil. It's the same evil. Personally, I'd rather the pipeline run mostly thru your country than thru BC's temperate rain forest, to shallow reef-infested ports Buuuut....I would wager almost anything that both of these pipelines will be built. Keystone was shelved for the election, and the Northern Gateway will be pushed thru by our Oiligarchy Con majority. They are going to have some serious issues with natives in BC tho, and I support them 110%.
I have a copy of Cornell's report on the Keystone project. It is a PDF file, so I can send it as an attachment in a PM......we can send attachments, right?
btw....I don't know if we should be holding the US up as a place with effective rules and regulations... You guys have had a couple of minor problems down there in recent memory, no?
btw....I don't know if we should be holding the US up as a place with effective rules and regulations... You guys have had a couple of minor problems down there in recent memory, no?
Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.
:think:
Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:
Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.
Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.
:think:
Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:
pure speculation:
the cost to build refineries is extremely expensive ... factor in a somewhat more regulated environmental standard vs. the US ... it is probably cheaper and more profitable to build a pipeline ... once the oil hits the US - it is subject to US laws which are significantly more lax from pollution to safety ...
Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.
:think:
Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:
pure speculation:
the cost to build refineries is extremely expensive ... factor in a somewhat more regulated environmental standard vs. the US ... it is probably cheaper and more profitable to build a pipeline ... once the oil hits the US - it is subject to US laws which are significantly more lax from pollution to safety ...
Are the standards really that more lax? I've designed biodiesel tank storage containment area in the US that required concrete containment ... and the same company was able to use dirt berms for containment in Canada. :eh:
And air permits in the US are very strict as I've found out first hand. All I hear about is loose US regulations but the only thing getting loose is my rectum from all the rules and regulations that get crammed up it. But I guess I can't complain too much because environmental regulations were one of the few things to work on during the recession. If it wasn't for EPA regulations and the projects they required, I probably would have been laid-off.
Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.
:think:
Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:
Like I said earlier in the thread, it's NIMBY when it comes to refineries....but there are a lot of different reasons, all of which are based solely on profit before people or environment. Some are political, some relate to supply and demand of 'heavy' oil vs light crude (ie: straight up price manipulation by controlling where the oil ends up). Also....if we were to refine our own oil and sell it to ourselves cheaply, instead of thru the US controlled 'free market'..that wouldn't go over so well. I can't say for sure, but I bet NAFTA would factor into that decision.
We used to have a national oil company, we dismantled it. There are very few countries left that exert that kind of control over their resources...and the ones that do are maligned and basically in danger of military action for exactly that reason (hello, Hugo)....
In other words, I can't figure it out I've been trying to look into that question for a while, but man...there is so much conflicting info on this shit - the oil industry pays astronomical amounts of money to sponsor studies to support their side of the business, and environmental groups tend to ignore the economic side of things because they don't want to be seen as promoting ANYTHING that will result in more oil use...But that question is not asked often enough up here Bennyorr's statements earlier in the thread is an example of just how effectively our govt's campaign of pushin the tarsands works - people up here think we NEED investment in the tarsands to keep jobs flowing....but it's a sham; the world needs our oil and we've given it up for pennies a barrel, to be controlled by foreign, private companies.
Why not just build refineries in Alberta and sell the oil to the U.S.? It creates Canadian jobs and will boost the overall Canadian economy while turning the country into a oil superpower. There is already an existing pipeline running oil to the U.S., so it's not like it's just sitting there and I'm sure it would not be hard to find investors.
Most recently, a number of Canadian celebrities have come out against the pipeline and thrown their weight behind the protests, notably Dave Thomas of SCTV fame. That follows a similar theme seen in the U.S., where actresses Margot Kidder and Darryl Hannah were both arrested at the White House protests.
Most recently, a number of Canadian celebrities have come out against the pipeline and thrown their weight behind the protests, notably Dave Thomas of SCTV fame.
That is awesome! I wonder if he released a jar of moths to ruin the project.
Hmm ... I have the hinkering for some back-bacon and kokanee for whatever reason
Blah. Some earthquakes are caused by fracking. It couldnt be because there are these huge 3 story jackhammers pounding at the earth's crust 2-3 miles deep. They will get enough shaking up there soon enough. So what if the earth becomes an asteroid belt.
Blah. Some earthquakes are caused by fracking. It couldnt be because there are these huge 3 story jackhammers pounding at the earth's crust 2-3 miles deep. They will get enough shaking up there soon enough. So what if the earth becomes an asteroid belt.
Blah. Some earthquakes are caused by fracking. It couldnt be because there are these huge 3 story jackhammers pounding at the earth's crust 2-3 miles deep. They will get enough shaking up there soon enough. So what if the earth becomes an asteroid belt.
Maybe that's what's causing the weird noises people are hearing- our giant sized geode about to split open?
Id like to think of it as harmonic repair as we get ready for a possible quantum leap together. If all goes to hell. But splitting the geode called earth is possible. Dont worry Brian no matter what happens youre coming with us.
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Blah. Some earthquakes are caused by fracking. It couldnt be because there are these huge 3 story jackhammers pounding at the earth's crust 2-3 miles deep. They will get enough shaking up there soon enough. So what if the earth becomes an asteroid belt.
Maybe that's what's causing the weird noises people are hearing- our giant sized geode about to split open?
Id like to think of it as harmonic repair as we get ready for a huge quantum leap together. But splitting the geode called earth is possible. Dont worry Brian no matter what happens youre coming with us.
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Wind power growing in California.
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/l ... rack=icymi
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/0 ... ng-hearing
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
Eat or Heat.
Why would we want to move to renewable energies?
As an environmentalist, which is the lesser of two evils?
(and no choosing "neither" cause that's cheating
This is the way that i look at it. Sad decision to make for me.
that's like asking is it better to get hit by a truck or have a grand piano land on you ... neither of those options have to occur so i therefore deem this question illegitimate ...
Then we all go up to Canada and protest. J/k
We already have one part of the pipeline running though from Canada to Illinois.
Doesn't matter dirty is dirty is dirty. Ecocide at its finest.
Im trying avoid at all cost to be reborn back into this place.
Oh......only about 48 or so oil spills since 1969:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills
Think about the costs of the clean-ups.
:think:
Who the hell if running things up there, the McKenzie brothers? :crazy: Somebody in leadership needs a good shaking. :geek:
that's what i'm wondering
hosers
pure speculation:
the cost to build refineries is extremely expensive ... factor in a somewhat more regulated environmental standard vs. the US ... it is probably cheaper and more profitable to build a pipeline ... once the oil hits the US - it is subject to US laws which are significantly more lax from pollution to safety ...
And air permits in the US are very strict as I've found out first hand. All I hear about is loose US regulations but the only thing getting loose is my rectum from all the rules and regulations that get crammed up it. But I guess I can't complain too much because environmental regulations were one of the few things to work on during the recession. If it wasn't for EPA regulations and the projects they required, I probably would have been laid-off.
We used to have a national oil company, we dismantled it. There are very few countries left that exert that kind of control over their resources...and the ones that do are maligned and basically in danger of military action for exactly that reason (hello, Hugo)....
In other words, I can't figure it out
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/09/21 ... 73936.html
Most recently, a number of Canadian celebrities have come out against the pipeline and thrown their weight behind the protests, notably Dave Thomas of SCTV fame. That follows a similar theme seen in the U.S., where actresses Margot Kidder and Darryl Hannah were both arrested at the White House protests.
That is awesome! I wonder if he released a jar of moths to ruin the project.
Hmm ... I have the hinkering for some back-bacon and kokanee for whatever reason
Still can't get over the disappointment that they shelved a Bob n Doug comeback :(
i don't care how it's spelled, just get me one! :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
China alone has invested 16 Billion in this pipeline. *raises eyebrows* sooooo.... make any connnection you want from this point.
Tar Nation: Garth Lenz @ TEDxVictoria
Talks about what the tar sands destruction. At one point this man is in tears.
This is sanity?